People need to chill if they think this won't happen, this is clearly going to any day now it couldn't be more obvious. Juventus are spending a bucket load on Higuan, they can say what they like but they couldn't afford to do that if they weren't selling us Pogba. He will be here soon, nothing to worry about.
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When this goes through (and i do think it's a matter of when), I genuinely think it'll be the highest transfer fee (in real terms) in all time coming. I seriously cannot see another team going to nine figures for a player. It gets to a point where it simply gets uneconomic and unrealistic. We're getting to a point where you can build entire stadiums and buy football clubs for the same price as players. Ironically, Juve built their stadium for the same as Pogba's reported fee!
Seeing as i've only just been promoted, I would like to make one point. I'm seeing people saying that we shouldnt care about the transfer fee as its not our money. That might be true, but there's no such thing as a free lunch. Somewhere, at some point, someone will have to pay for increased transfer fees and salaries. It'll usually be through increased prices for tickets and merchandise, so in a way it definitely does affect the fans.
That said, i'm not complaining about this one - we're about to sign a player who i think will be a balon d'or winner in a few years
Seeing as i've only just been promoted, I would like to make one point. I'm seeing people saying that we shouldnt care about the transfer fee as its not our money. That might be true, but there's no such thing as a free lunch. Somewhere, at some point, someone will have to pay for increased transfer fees and salaries. It'll usually be through increased prices for tickets and merchandise, so in a way it definitely does affect the fans.
That said, i'm not complaining about this one - we're about to sign a player who i think will be a balon d'or winner in a few years
You're trying to get in on the ITK act now?
When this goes through (and i do think it's a matter of when), I genuinely think it'll be the highest transfer fee (in real terms) in all time coming. I seriously cannot see another team going to nine figures for a player. It gets to a point where it simply gets uneconomic and unrealistic. We're getting to a point where you can build entire stadiums and buy football clubs for the same price as players.
Seeing as i've only just been promoted, I would like to make one point. I'm seeing people saying that we shouldnt care about the transfer fee as its not our money. That might be true, but there's no such thing as a free lunch. Somewhere, at some point, someone will have to pay for increased transfer fees and salaries. It'll usually be through increased prices for tickets and merchandise, so in a way it definitely does affect the fans.
That said, i'm not complaining about this one - we're about to sign a player who i think will be a balon d'or winner in a few years
I reckon it is crazy sponsorship deals, as opposed to ticket prices that will pay for Pogba.
Ed and the Glazers smiling when meeting Jose.. Its done.
I do wonder if the trend continues, will the market crash. I'm far from an economics expert so someone else will have to explain the consequences of rising transfer prices.When this goes through (and i do think it's a matter of when), I genuinely think it'll be the highest transfer fee (in real terms) in all time coming. I seriously cannot see another team going to nine figures for a player. It gets to a point where it simply gets uneconomic and unrealistic. We're getting to a point where you can build entire stadiums and buy football clubs for the same price as players. Ironically, Juve built their stadium for the same as Pogba's reported fee!
Seeing as i've only just been promoted, I would like to make one point. I'm seeing people saying that we shouldnt care about the transfer fee as its not our money. That might be true, but there's no such thing as a free lunch. Somewhere, at some point, someone will have to pay for increased transfer fees and salaries. It'll usually be through increased prices for tickets and merchandise, so in a way it definitely does affect the fans.
That said, i'm not complaining about this one - we're about to sign a player who i think will be a balon d'or winner in a few years
I 100% agree but doesn't change my mind lol
I certainly didn't. Does not surprise me at all its dragged out. There was always going to be factors influencing this i.e Juve wanting to get players in, Utd being away on tour etc. Unfortunately, the commercial impact of confirming this is an issue and whether fans see this as a problem or not, the manager being on the other end of the world does not make it easy. They'll want the pictures, quotes, everything all done.
You're missing the point. If someone says to you, this car cost £100, pay it or piss off - that's fair enough. You then say yes, it's a deal. You go to close the deal, and this person suddenly does a u-turn, no we want £200. Wouldn't you be pissed off? Clearly they're taking advantage of you. It's the principle of the thing. If they don't want to sell Pogba and if it's true he's not bothered about leaving, and they don't need to sell him to fund their transfers - then all they need to do is stop wasting our time. By continuing to negotiate it clearly shows they want a deal, unlike with De Gea and Ronaldo - we didn't want either to leave so of course we were tough. We set a price for them and it was met in Ronny's case, but things didn't work out with Dave. The point is, we set a price for Ronny and they met it, at no time did we go back and start demanding things after we made the agreement in principle with Real. So you can't compare the two situations.
Juve are not making things difficult, they're acting like con artists imho.
Probably for a different thread for a more detailed discussion, but re the sponsorship deals, these companies arent charities. You have to look at the bigger picture - the only reason they're giving clubs this money is that they expect net benefit. We (ie the public) are the ultimate consumers of all goods and services, so we do in some way have to pay for it. If Chevy are giving us $x, then they will make sure they get more than $x, even if it means raising prices. I agree that we could see a market crash if clubs keep pushing it, as people's disposable incomes are shrinking, which is why i think Pogba could represent a peak - not even Real are jumping in, and we know what they're like!
Baffling logic. These things take time. Especially when they are of this size.
This deal is done.
Hold on a second!
Mino Raiola is supposed to earn shitloads of money if this deal goes through. Do you honestly think that he will spend his days in Miami completely relaxed doing nothing if Juve tries to cut his part of the deal?
As long as I don't hear a word from Mr Raiola then I'm completely relaxed and 100% sure that we will get Pogba.
Mino Raiola is supposed to earn shitloads of money if this deal goes through. Do you honestly think that he will spend his days in Miami completely relaxed doing nothing if Juve tries to cut his part of the deal?
As long as I don't hear a word from Mr Raiola then I'm completely relaxed and 100% sure that we will get Pogba.
I was kiddingI thought you were ny friend
We all know this is overpriced, which is mainly down to our stubbornness not wanting to sell. At this point you could offer less for Kroos or Vidal and get a better player.
Most people don't get this. They would rather spend the money on a Vidal, a Kroos or a Kante when in fact all these players don't fit the Pogba profile that Mourinho is looking for. Pogba is first on the list and anything but him will be 2nd or 3rd on this list. A downgrade basically. I would rather get the best regardless of the price.
I have been trying to work out the thread change for the last couple of days.
Vigilant? What on earth do they mean by that?
Vigilant? What on earth do they mean by that?
He just got sent off in a CL QF vs AC Milan for me on FM16. Shall I blame Maradona10 too?
It's Italian for 'skint'.
They're staying 'alert' or 'on top of' what is happening/might happen re Pogba.
I am not a Juventus fan, but a French online magazine, Sofoot, did an interesting article.
http://www.sofoot.com/pourquoi-pogba-vaut-bien-ses-120-millions-226568.html
Why Pogba is worth his 120 millions
120 millions euro. Boom, the sum has been mentioned, the 100 threshold broken. Instead of stopping at numbers, we can use them to better understand football nowadays. And it's very interesting. At least, as much as Paul Pogba's game.
By Eric Carpentier - Saturday 23rd July
The 9.9 seconds of Jim Hines in 1968. The 6 meters of Serguei Bubka in 1985. The 120 millions of Pogba in 2016. Which doesn't make him the best player in the world, that's obvious. But since football is a team game and that performances are not measured only with the number of goals scored, let's accept the transfer amount. It's an revealing metric of the state of a sport which drains with it sums which are more and more important. Some will say it's indecent, others will respond it's just offer and demand. The eternal battle between those who judge football as a world off the ground, when their neighbours see a microcosm reflecting the world as it is. But beyond the ideological debate, a field where those who do not follow football enter more easily than those who are passionate about it, there's an assessment: football has shattered a new ceiling. And this transfer of 120 millions euro is a milestone which allows to take the pulse of a sport that never stops expanding. Like Paul Pogba?
The football market? Rational!
120 million euro then. Football is doing well, thank you. The first lesson of the Pogba's case is here: when a market expands, the financial cash flows pertaining to it increase. For Loic Ravenel, co-founder of the Observatory of football, at the International Center of Spots Studies (CIES in French), it's nothing unusual: "On the contrary of what is often being said, the market is quite rational. We can model it correctly, and we can understand what explains the observed values. The age of the player, his performances, the position he plays, the club for which he plays, the previous transfers, the length of the contract...". Regarding Paul Pogba, the CIES' model announces a value of 95 millions euro. An amount finally quite close to what United pays to get La Pioche back.
But then, what has changed in this "rationality"? Very simply, its scale. "The era of globalization is worth for certain top clubs and the whole Premier League" for the CIES' researcher. "Barcelona, Real, Chelsea, United, City... are no more national clubs, they have to consider themselves on a global scale. They train in the USA or in Asia, their games are watched in the whole world...". As a consequence, a "super elite" for the luckiest beneficiaries, who fight with millions to get the best players and stay at that level. A long-term trend which is far from being new, which is revealed more than ever by the Pogba's case. Or by the case of the Premier League, a globalized league which retrieves "the premium of the first entrant", or the first mover advantage, with its fabulous tv rights. First arrived, first served, in short. What's the irony here? This arms race in the Premier League results ultimately to a large redistribution to all its members, which will allow Aston Villa to get more tv rights than the PSG. Instead of having a 2 speeds competition, it's the whole league which improves, for more competition, therefore more spectators, and more money. Simple.
Ibrahimovic vs Pogba
Remains than the additional 25 millions euro, compared to the rational number of 95 millions. 25 millions which can be considered as a margin, a percentage like banking fees for those who are used to be overdrawn. In the case of Paul Pogba, who should be spared of his banker's phone calls, this margin corresponds to "a little plus, either of the fame, or the talent. At this level, there is a competition between teams which drives the price up, and we get out of the model world", concedes Loic Ravenel. "But this will be the case for ten players in the world, at best. Clearly, Pogba is one of them". There is therefore the model on one hand, and the exception on the other hand.
But an exception is another rule, the individual branding. For Nicolas Chavanat, lecturer at the University of Paris-Sarclay, and co-author with Michel Desbordes of the Marketing of football, one thing is clear: clubs but also players are brands. "Manchester United is a brand. Wayne Rooney is a brand. Jose Mourinho is a brand. Ibrahimovic is a brand. And Paul Pogba is brand, of course". The rest is just a marketing strategy. Since Ferguson, the strategy of Manchester United has evolved, so it has to be adapted as well. "For example, Ibra is an established brand, while Pogba is a brand in the making. All the complexity for clubs is to find the right equation, what we call the congruence between brands". Which means the best way to make different brands coexist altogether. Won't the historic Ibra puts the development of the new Pogba in its shade? It's a risk but, for a Manchester United at a low point sport-wise, "you have to show you are relevant, that you are powerful. You cannot let yourself distanced by others in term of fame". Which is exactly the reason why PSG went for a leading figure with a big nose, for example.
Pogba, the new Zidane on Instagram
This branding of players is the main new things since 2010. If, there has been players whose aura went beyond football, since George Best to Djibril Cisse, Nicolas Chavanat puts a turning point at the "London Olympic Games of 2012". Which means that the analysis is not specific to football: "It was the first competition where the digital entered in the sports. The digital is at the service of the ambush marketing (marketing techniques to become visible in an event without being an official partner). By the way, we see athletes being reprimanded, e.g. Michael Phelps who communicates with Louis Vuitton, while Vuitton is not an official partner of the Olympic Games. It's at this moment that athletes realize that they are a whole media themselves, and that they can use it from a marketing and economic perspective". Which is exactly a domain where Paul Pogba is excellent: the magazine US SportsPro, which establishes each year the ranking of the fifty most "marketable" sports players, puts Pogba at the 2nd place, behind the sniper Stephen Curry, but ahead of the Indian Virat Kohli, a cricket player. Which should justify an additional 25 millions compared to the "market price" from United, in need of recognition.
There is therefore no craziness in the amount paid by United for Pogba, only a price paid in consistence with a global football market and which does not look at sports performances only, but more and more the economic potential of the player. Not necessarily an absolute new trend, just a confirming trend of which Paul Pogba is a tangible and resounding illustration. And not necessarily a speculative bubble either: the transfer of Zidane at Real in 2001, with the current inflation, would be quoted at 94 millions euro. So yes, there is and will be only one Zidane. On the field, that's obvious. But in the global picture, there is also one Pogba. For now.
By Eric Carpentier.
Wouldnt mind if we didnt sign him, he is a moments player. I think we need midfielders with more consistent natural ability, Isco, Hamsik, Cazorla, Pjanic, Ozil, Kroos, Eriksen, Arsenal Fabregas type of midfielders (not that they are available, but just examples). Players who have that consistent and quick forward passing, cross passes, through balls, know exactly how to position themselves to get the ball and move it on to come in dangerous positions. Pogba is a player of moments, that individual brilliance that pop up in a match, with his insane dribbling and skills, or his athleticism or long range shooting. It's not as if he cant pass, but it's not that consistent as we need. Herrera, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini are poor, and Carrick too old.
@Gasolin thanks for posting that article. It's very good.
I'm tempted to buy that book on sports marketing....
I'm tempted to buy that book on sports marketing....
@Maradona10 does that quite often though, i think he needs a ban to realise that there are limits. Cmon mods, do the right thing and ban him.
I bet the media can't wait to publish their annual articles on 'dithering' Ed Woodward.
An agitation towards a lack of 3rd option in the thread poll which says, 'Don't want Paul Pogba playing for Manchester United.'
We were also very close to signing Renato Sanches.I bet the media don't have any idea about the deal,all guessworks going on.
With Ed Woodword in China i think the deal is dead because if we were negotiating with Juve he would have stayed back.
With Ed Woodword in China i think the deal is dead because if we were negotiating with Juve he would have stayed back.
Ed Woodward is now in Beijing with a huge smile. Hopefully he has brought some good news.
Or at least Donkey Kong.
Nothing new?
Must not break.
Must not break.
Potentially, as you'd have thought Pogba may be due back at training the week after.
How many times did Perez meet with us and Spurs while completing the two world record deals?
The Ronaldo deal is even worse as it was actually Calderon that actually initiated it.
Well, there are Mobile Phones, E-mails, Video Conferences etc...
Just because we're not face to face with Juve doesn't mean things aren't being worked on.
Maybe he's not there because the main parts of the deal are done and the legal/finance team can do the rest? Who knows
Or he could have let his negotiators do it and stayed in contact by phone.
He only has to ok 10 million euros, or 20 or 30........
Juventus must love playing this fun game with United.
You know the whole " it doesn't matter that he cost X amount, we'll make that back in shirt sales"
Is that complete bollocks? Surely Adidas would be the beneficiaries.
Is that complete bollocks? Surely Adidas would be the beneficiaries.
Football revenues have been steeply increasing, especially for the PL teams.
The market will not crash. That suggests a bubble, but clearly that is not what's happening.
As Woodward said, they expect transfer fees to continue increasing in line with more money being generated in the industry.
We will absolutely see other big clubs break the 100m mark for players on the coming years.
The transfer price inflation is a consequence of growth in football revenues of the clubs. Since the top end footballer 'supply' is always short, the clubs, who are desperate to have such players in team in order to be successful to earn these revenues, continue to be willing to pay very high prices for them. The market can crash only when interest in football goes down or the amount of cash being paid by football fans reduces, both of which are quite unlikely to happen IMO. That, or the top football clubs in the world form a cartel!
It's a running joke. No one sensible actually believes that.
It is
But there are other finacial benefits . Like we did with Rooney where we can utilise some of his image rights . And we know a thing or twenty about the marketing side of things.