Why all of this negativity all of a sudden?! Are you lot on your periods? 
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If any deal is to be struck, I think it's very important that we exclude any sort of agent percentage to avoid a situation in a few years where Raiola will push the player away from us for personal gain.
I feel like I've imprinted on Pogba.
pay the man, don't pay the man, get the man, don't get the man, cry
Pretty frustrating story but I think this new need for instant answers is what drives people potty. You can see in here after a couple of days there's talk of what music he likes.. I don't even know what to suggest for that conversation but it would be banned no doubt. Anyhow, the point being that people should just chill out a bit. Honestly, can you hand on heart say that you want Pogba, or do you want the transfer victory for United over Real? Peace out
Pretty frustrating story but I think this new need for instant answers is what drives people potty. You can see in here after a couple of days there's talk of what music he likes.. I don't even know what to suggest for that conversation but it would be banned no doubt. Anyhow, the point being that people should just chill out a bit. Honestly, can you hand on heart say that you want Pogba, or do you want the transfer victory for United over Real? Peace out
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Marotta and Woodward are colluding together to get revenge against the pizza man for how he has treated both clubs over Pogba and are forcing him to give up all or some of his bonus for doing feck all. We both know he has a lot more to lose if this deal doesn't get through, not just the money but the pride that comes with it. He is known for always getting his clients the moves they want. Even Balotelli he works magic with. He needs this deal to go through more than anything else and Woody and Beppe are laughing while he squirms and tries to fight for his unearned money. That's why he looked like his grandmother died coming out of the meeting Marotta. Fat fecker thought he had got it all won until he got slapped with a "we are paying feck all you fat feck and the deals off unless you and your ridiculous fee feck off you vile cnut" He now has to look into himself and probably massively reduce this fee and get the deal over the line before it's too late. Woody comes out from the other room after the meeting pours a Single malt for them both and take out two Cuban cigars and clank glasses and laugh like the guys from goodfellas knowing they just told pizza breath where to stick himself.
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Marotta and Woodward are colluding together to get revenge against the pizza man for how he has treated both clubs over Pogba and are forcing him to give up all or some of his bonus for doing feck all. We both know he has a lot more to lose if this deal doesn't get through, not just the money but the pride that comes with it. He is known for always getting his clients the moves they want. Even Balotelli he works magic with. He needs this deal to go through more than anything else and Woody and Beppe are laughing while he squirms and tries to fight for his unearned money. That's why he looked like his grandmother died coming out of the meeting Marotta. Fat fecker thought he had got it all won until he got slapped with a "we are paying feck all you fat feck and the deals off unless you and your ridiculous fee feck off you vile cnut" He now has to look into himself and probably massively reduce this fee and get the deal over the line before it's too late. Woody comes out from the other room after the meeting pours a Single malt for them both and take out two Cuban cigars and clank glasses and laugh like the guys from goodfellas knowing they just told pizza breath where to stick himself.
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Would Juventus not be relying on this deal to go through after their mammoth expenditure this summer? If so they are in no position to play hard ball.
I'm not a scout, I'm sure the club has options, they would be stupid to try and go into a deal like Pogba that could go either way without other options. With that money we could buy one or a few of Douglas Costa, Draxler, Isco, Mahrez, whilst also having enough money left over purely from the Pogba money to get in some upcoming stars like GBJ.
Couple that with Matic, Matuidi or whoever else our club has identified and I'm sure we will be raring to go. I expect a lot of our players to improve under Jose.
I obviously would prefer Pogba, he's one of the only remaining midfielders left who can take us up a level, but if it's not happening we shouldn't waste all our time on it. We've made the same mistake with Vidal, Thiago and Fabregas. We need to be more vigilant this time.
That's probably what it is. If a bunch of people spend too much time on the caf together they synchronise them.Why all of this negativity all of a sudden?! Are you lot on your periods?
Why would we include a percentage of any future sale for the agent? That has never happened in a sale between two clubs and is ridiculous. Raiola only has this 20% due to Pogba signing on a free. This 20% is different from regular agent fee's.
Could this just not be an attempt from Juventus to play to the fans? They've just spunked a whole load of money on Higuain and now they're posturing to the fans by giving the impression they'll do anything to keep Pogba. Due to no one actually knowing the figure United have offered, they could ultimately in the end say that such a huge offer was received, they had no real choice but to accept it and let Pogba go, whilst re-investing the money they received in the team to make it better? That would please the fans as it'd give the impression that they did all they could to keep him?
I very much you can loan a player that you've not registered to another club. There has to be some sort of paperwork for him for the other club to register that loaned player. Otherwise I'd have imagined Turan and whoever the other guy was that Barca bought but, didn't play could have been loaned out rather than just sitting around for half a season like they did.
Why do you reckon such a clause is one that could only be included in a free transfer?
Yes it's pretty obvious that is the case. The Juventus board will never turn this offer down, no way.
Maybe trust Mourinho's scouts then?
He's highlighted CM as a position that needs strengthening and he's highlighted a young player with a unique skillset to fill that position. We're rich as feck, I've no qualms with us setting a high valuation of him and sticking to it. It wouldn't stop us spending the same again on Neymar if he suddenly became available.
Suppose we could be seeing if they're bluffing, with the reports saying they're willing to buy without needing/wanting to sell.
What does scouts have to do with finalising this deal? You don't need to be a professional Football scout to see that Pogba is a good player.
It's also no secret that our midfield needs strengthening and I've already stated Pogba is ideal and I hope it happens. What isn't ideal though is wasting a whole window on a player if it isn't looking likely. That being said - I think this transfer is done and has been for a while, journos just don't have a clue. On the chance it isn't though, if reports are to be believed I hope the club is starting to pursue other targets. Pogba would be amazing, but any midfielder is better than no midfielder.
Did someone say that Juve are going back on an agreement to pay the agents fees?
Lets sign Joe Allen or Jordan Henderson then.
Couldn't be much worse than Fellaini and not to add you're taking my statement way too literally. I'm sure our club hasn't identified Joe Allen and Jordan Henderson as potential targets.
If this deal really truly hasn't been worked out yet, it obviously will be.
It really is in everyone's best interests to come to a resolution.
Juve will want to see some cash back and not go into next season with a player who will be disgruntled and distracted, asking for a bumper pay rise. I'm being kind here. There's no way I can see them being able to spend this much and then stop without getting any money back.
We'll want to complete this transfer after being seen to commit so much money towards it...we definitely don't want this falling through with such a big commitment already made. We haven't left silent on it, it's been a very high profile matter.
And Raiola won't want to be the agent who missed out on a pay day and didn't complete the move for his client; he'll be seen to have failed or even worse come across as a greedy agent whom everybody would blame for the deal not going through.
I still suspect this deal is actually done, but if it isn't, it's a matter of time before it is.
It really is in everyone's best interests to come to a resolution.
Juve will want to see some cash back and not go into next season with a player who will be disgruntled and distracted, asking for a bumper pay rise. I'm being kind here. There's no way I can see them being able to spend this much and then stop without getting any money back.
We'll want to complete this transfer after being seen to commit so much money towards it...we definitely don't want this falling through with such a big commitment already made. We haven't left silent on it, it's been a very high profile matter.
And Raiola won't want to be the agent who missed out on a pay day and didn't complete the move for his client; he'll be seen to have failed or even worse come across as a greedy agent whom everybody would blame for the deal not going through.
I still suspect this deal is actually done, but if it isn't, it's a matter of time before it is.
Too late, he's signed for stoke.
All I know is his hair pisses me off, along with Bale's stupid hair. Must be something to do with Welsh people aspiring to look Spanish.
Back on topic, I think either way we should hear something by the end of the week and if we don't then I give up on this one myself.
What does scouts have to do with finalising this deal? You don't need to be a professional Football scout to see that Pogba is a good player.
That being said - I think this transfer is done and has been for a while, journos just don't have a clue. On the chance it isn't though, if reports are to be believed I hope the club is starting to pursue other targets. Pogba would be amazing, but any midfielder is better than no midfielder.
Wasting a whole window? We've signed 3/4 players Mou wanted. If we don't wrap Pog up in the next 4 weeks, we'll use the last fortnight to sign an alternative.
Yup. And there are different kinds of alternative to just signing a central midfielder. Matuidi isn't a replacement for Pogba but we may, for instance, decide to use Mkhi centrally and find a right winger, rather than sign a different central midfielder. Or sign both Matuidi and a right winger. We have options.
I'd love us to sign to Pogba again. Gutted when he left after watching him in the youth team. Although I am getting sick off all the chat about is he coming or not.
Also the people saying he will go Madrid next year aren't they banned from transfers for that season? Or have I got that bit wrong?
Also the people saying he will go Madrid next year aren't they banned from transfers for that season? Or have I got that bit wrong?
2 hrs ? 24 hrs? 200 hrs?
I meant wasting the rest of the window and specifically in regards to the midfield. Also, I would have no qualms with that, as long as our other identified targets aren't snapped up and still available. We've missed out on a lot of very good potential midfielders already.
Doubt we will use Mickey as a CM, but yes Matuidi could do a job for us. Matic could also be an option, very different players to Pogba and not as good mind, Pogba is obviously the preferred option, regardless of the price.
Then again, this is all most likely pointless scenarios as I strongly believe this is done, if not very close to being done.
Welcome... A great thread to start with..
When calculating Juve's outlay this window, don't forget to add they've for the second instalment of Dybala's fee to pay and also Santos'!
So you can add about 30M to that outlay!
So you can add about 30M to that outlay!
127 Hours, feels like that film in here.
good call. forgot about those
Out of curiosity, are all transfers that involve big fees done in this manner? Or was it an exemption for Higuain?
We paid for Depay with 4 installments six months apart. All transfers are done in installments.
This Laudisa guy was supposed to be reliable, right?
forever close
Would love for that to be the fee just so Tancredi can stop randomly writing 145 at the end of every damn tweet!