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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?


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Jose, early on, probably didn't think there was a chance in hell of signing Pogba.

Few proper chats with Ed later, and I'm sure he soon learned just how determined Ed was to spend £100m on someone, anyone :lol:
 
If missing out on Sanches means that we get Pogba instead then I'm happy we missed out on him.

Maybe Jose is preparing territory for a future bid, to see if there's a reaction from the player. The tone of the article is perfect, perhaps geared to see if the player would be interested in a move. Maybe it's Mourinho paying back Rummeniegue for the Schweinsteiger comments.
 
Very interesting. Simply because this means that José's first option was also probably Renato. Ryan Giggs also said that we missed out on him and so did he....
U would wonder that if we got the boy, then would they actually have gone for Pogba and the circus along with it. But then again, when we missed out on Shearer we got Cantona, and we missed out on Ronaldinho we got Ronaldo. So probably that's how things pan out
But overall very interesting

Age to ability, Renato is the far superior player. But player development hardly ever follows a predictable curve.
 
This discussion on valuation is something I just don't get. People seem to have a massively distorted view of the game thanks to Ronaldo. So, just for the sake of it, let's go slightly further back in the game. Before Ronaldo (let's forget the pesky Kaka fee), Zidane was the most expensive player in the world. He cost Real Madrid GBP 57 Mn at the age of 29. He only ever scored 10 or more league goals in a season once (for Bordeaux in 1992-93). His season-high for goals scored was 12 (across all competitions). Here's the context:

Age: 29
Resale value: 0
Real Madrid income (from Deloitte Money League) in 2000/01: 138 Mn Euros
That figure today stands at 577 Mn Euros

Before Zidane, the record-holder was Figo. He had a nearly identical scoring record to Zidane.

My point is that people have got this massively mistaken idea that clubs pay / should pay for players based on the goal-scoring prowess alone. Fact is, this view has been massively distorted by Ronaldo's (and Messi's) goal-scoring exploits. Take them aside and you'll realise that before these guys, a player who scored 20+ a season was a phenomenon. 25 in the league? That was considered a minor miracle.

When you look at Pogba, he's (at just 23) scoring as many as Zidane was scoring (for the same club) when Madrid made their move. As a % of revenues, the proposed fee is dwarfed by what Madrid paid for both Zidane and Figo.

Even for United (mentioned long time ago on this same thread), fee as % of revenue will not be the highest for Pogba (Rio and Veron will remain higher). Those above him in the table were not goalscorers either.

Hmm... just glad to have got that off my chest. Irritates me no end when rival fans start this rubbish... Maddens me when some of our lot do the same!

Fantastic points made here.

On a side note pretty impressive that the fee as % of revenue is not as high as Rios or Verons. Mindblowing really.
 
The price for Pogba is totally insane in my view, but United will obviously recoup that fee back in no time anyway.
It's just a shame that by forking out £100M on someone worth somewhere in the region of 45M - 55M tops, it's just going to inflate the market to ridiculous levels.
Obviously these super high prices for players must reelect the lack of quality available.
He hardly ripped up trees in the Euros.
 
This discussion on valuation is something I just don't get. People seem to have a massively distorted view of the game thanks to Ronaldo. So, just for the sake of it, let's go slightly further back in the game. Before Ronaldo (let's forget the pesky Kaka fee), Zidane was the most expensive player in the world. He cost Real Madrid GBP 57 Mn at the age of 29. He only ever scored 10 or more league goals in a season once (for Bordeaux in 1992-93). His season-high for goals scored was 12 (across all competitions). Here's the context:

Age: 29
Resale value: 0
Real Madrid income (from Deloitte Money League) in 2000/01: 138 Mn Euros
That figure today stands at 577 Mn Euros

Before Zidane, the record-holder was Figo. He had a nearly identical scoring record to Zidane.

My point is that people have got this massively mistaken idea that clubs pay / should pay for players based on the goal-scoring prowess alone. Fact is, this view has been massively distorted by Ronaldo's (and Messi's) goal-scoring exploits. Take them aside and you'll realise that before these guys, a player who scored 20+ a season was a phenomenon. 25 in the league? That was considered a minor miracle.

When you look at Pogba, he's (at just 23) scoring as many as Zidane was scoring (for the same club) when Madrid made their move. As a % of revenues, the proposed fee is dwarfed by what Madrid paid for both Zidane and Figo.

Even for United (mentioned long time ago on this same thread), fee as % of revenue will not be the highest for Pogba (Rio and Veron will remain higher). Those above him in the table were not goalscorers either.

Hmm... just glad to have got that off my chest. Irritates me no end when rival fans start this rubbish... Maddens me when some of our lot do the same!
Thanks mate. One of the most meaningful posts I have read on here lately.
 
Considering the money will be made back on shirt sales the price is fine.

If the club charge £10,000 per shirt
 
Considering the money will be made back on shirt sales the price is fine.

If the club charge £10,000 per shirt
Not on shirt sales but on new sponsorship deals, for sure.

Woodward and his commercial team have been flagging all these deals on the back of a mediocre squad whose marquee player is a spud-faced has-been. Think what they can do with Pogba and Ibrahimovic to trade off.

Two or three big new deals and they've made the Pogba money back.
 
Not on shirt sales but on new sponsorship deals, for sure.

Woodward and his commercial team have been flagging all these deals on the back of a mediocre squad whose marquee player is a spud-faced has-been. Think what they can do with Pogba and Ibrahimovic to trade off.

Two or three big new deals and they've made the Pogba money back.

An easy way to recoup the money is charge players £20,000 to park per day at Carringtom.

But hopefully Woodward has more noodle sponsors for next summers transfers.
 
Age to ability, Renato is the far superior player. But player development hardly ever follows a predictable curve.
Wait what did i just read :lol:

Far superior to whom exactly? I hope you don't mean superior to Pogba because that would honestly make you look bad due to the sheer ignorance displayed in your post.
 
Yep I reckon if it gets done, it will be very close to the deadline day.

You serious? It's been done for a while now. This so called delay that people are up in arms about is nothing more than a player having to physically sign contracts and take his medical.

Also, do not underestimate the influence Adidas have on this. They are lapping up the hype.

Anyhow, I expect come Monday you'll be taking the above post back.
 
Indeed. And Clubcall was the inception of all this soap opera nonsense.

:lol:

I had forgotten about Clubcall. Did you ever use the hotline?

I remember being so tempted when seeing rumours of us signing players like Salas and Kluivert. Thankfully I was wise enough not to as I knew how much trouble I'd be in with my parents when the monthly telephone bill came through.
 
The price for Pogba is totally insane in my view, but United will obviously recoup that fee back in no time anyway.
It's just a shame that by forking out £100M on someone worth somewhere in the region of 45M - 55M tops, it's just going to inflate the market to ridiculous levels.
Obviously these super high prices for players must reelect the lack of quality available.
He hardly ripped up trees in the Euros.

Personal valuation has been tossed around freely around here and other places so; "Someone worth somewhere in the region of 45M-55M tops"....Interested in how you came up with these figures.
 
:lol:

I had forgotten about Clubcall. Did you ever use the hotline?

I remember being so tempted when seeing rumours of us signing players like Salas and Kluivert. Thankfully I was wise enough not to as I knew how much trouble I'd be in with my parents when the monthly telephone bill came through.

ha ha it cost a fortune! I remember my parents seeing the phone bill and thinking I'd been calling a sex line!!
 
:lol:

I had forgotten about Clubcall. Did you ever use the hotline?

I remember being so tempted when seeing rumours of us signing players like Salas and Kluivert. Thankfully I was wise enough not to as I knew how much trouble I'd be in with my parents when the monthly telephone bill came through.
Wait, has anyone actually called United clubcall? Maybe they're announcing Pogba on there!
 
Very interesting. Simply because this means that José's first option was also probably Renato. Ryan Giggs also said that we missed out on him and so did he....
U would wonder that if we got the boy, then would they actually have gone for Pogba and the circus along with it. But then again, when we missed out on Shearer we got Cantona, and we missed out on Ronaldinho we got Ronaldo. So probably that's how things pan out
But overall very interesting

IIRC Van Idiot decline the chance to buy Renato Sanchez. If Woodie had completed this purchase it would have been a clear indication the Idiot was leaving.
 
Fantastic points made here.

On a side note pretty impressive that the fee as % of revenue is not as high as Rios or Verons. Mindblowing really.

Thanks. Yup - actually mind-blowing when you look at things this way. That said, Rio was a massive success. Was the bedrock on which Fergie built 2-3 teams of title-winners and people forget that for all of Ronaldo's (and Rooney's to be fair) exploits, it was the defence that won us the title several times. van der Saar was not a one-man shield of the type that de Gea has had to become. Veron, well, different story, but I can still see the logic for why we paid what we did.

The price for Pogba is totally insane in my view, but United will obviously recoup that fee back in no time anyway.
It's just a shame that by forking out £100M on someone worth somewhere in the region of 45M - 55M tops, it's just going to inflate the market to ridiculous levels.
Obviously these super high prices for players must reelect the lack of quality available.
He hardly ripped up trees in the Euros.

Where do I begin? Rooney was 18 and cost upwards of 30 Mn over a decade ago. Fellaini cost us 30 Mn. How you come out with a 45-55 for Pogba is mind-boggling. Zidane, as I pointed out, cost 57 Mn 15 years ago and had similar statistics (though he was more developed as a player). I just don't get how people start pinging these numbers around. Have you actually studied the business model of clubs? A club needs to look at how players (and the whole team and their performances) will translate into commercial contracts, merchandise sales (which get bigger sponsors) and visibility as well as following. Pogba - apart from dramatically improving our chances of winning titles - is immensely popular and assures greater viewership and interest. The world record fee, combined with United's marketing machine will ensure that this translates into bigger commercial deals as well. Can't see how Troy Deeney, Fellaini et al do on this.

As for your point on the Euros, I can only shake my head in wonder. Would you also say that Muller and Lewandowski are sh*te? Of course, Kane must be absolutely pants, not to mention losers like Dier and Dele Alli, right? Not worth 10 Mn for the lot of them, then. It beggars belief how people continue to trot out the same lame arguments time after time paying no heed to the actual numbers that make up football.

Here are just some numbers on Man United's revenues:
2000-01: 217.2 Mn Euros
2005-06: 242.6 Mn Euros (remember how pants we'd become and how we had no "galacticos"? Here's the outcome)
2010-11: 367 Mn Euros (Now we're talking. Win the CL, have Ronaldo explode. Build on Rooney's then-shining star...)
2014-15: 520 Mn Euros (Still riding the wave of popularity)

The numbers have exploded, but reality is we're slipping! In 2000-01, United were #1. We're now #3. We're also only about 50 Mn ahead of City. We need to continue pushing and you don't do that by talking about how "things was different in my day. You'd ne'er see these kids prancin' around in Ferraris at this age". We need to move with the times. Pogba (given it will happen) will be the absolutely right move at just the time we need it.

Cheers!
 


told ya. And here comes the muppet suicides :lol::lol::lol:

What do you expect him to say??
"Pogba is gone and he'll be heading to Manchester tomorrow" Come on guys, lets be honest here. There was never going to be any other reply to that question
 
Thanks. Yup - actually mind-blowing when you look at things this way. That said, Rio was a massive success. Was the bedrock on which Fergie built 2-3 teams of title-winners and people forget that for all of Ronaldo's (and Rooney's to be fair) exploits, it was the defence that won us the title several times. van der Saar was not a one-man shield of the type that de Gea has had to become. Veron, well, different story, but I can still see the logic for why we paid what we did.



Where do I begin? Rooney was 18 and cost upwards of 30 Mn over a decade ago. Fellaini cost us 30 Mn. How you come out with a 45-55 for Pogba is mind-boggling. Zidane, as I pointed out, cost 57 Mn 15 years ago and had similar statistics (though he was more developed as a player). I just don't get how people start pinging these numbers around. Have you actually studied the business model of clubs? A club needs to look at how players (and the whole team and their performances) will translate into commercial contracts, merchandise sales (which get bigger sponsors) and visibility as well as following. Pogba - apart from dramatically improving our chances of winning titles - is immensely popular and assures greater viewership and interest. The world record fee, combined with United's marketing machine will ensure that this translates into bigger commercial deals as well. Can't see how Troy Deeney, Fellaini et al do on this.

As for your point on the Euros, I can only shake my head in wonder. Would you also say that Muller and Lewandowski are sh*te? Of course, Kane must be absolutely pants, not to mention losers like Dier and Dele Alli, right? Not worth 10 Mn for the lot of them, then. It beggars belief how people continue to trot out the same lame arguments time after time paying no heed to the actual numbers that make up football.

Here are just some numbers on Man United's revenues:
2000-01: 217.2 Mn Euros
2005-06: 242.6 Mn Euros (remember how pants we'd become and how we had no "galacticos"? Here's the outcome)
2010-11: 367 Mn Euros (Now we're talking. Win the CL, have Ronaldo explode. Build on Rooney's then-shining star...)
2014-15: 520 Mn Euros (Still riding the wave of popularity)

The numbers have exploded, but reality is we're slipping! In 2000-01, United were #1. We're now #3. We're also only about 50 Mn ahead of City. We need to continue pushing and you don't do that by talking about how "things was different in my day. You'd ne'er see these kids prancin' around in Ferraris at this age". We need to move with the times. Pogba (given it will happen) will be the absolutely right move at just the time we need it.

Cheers!

Well said.
 
What do you expect him to say??
"Pogba is gone and he'll be heading to Manchester tomorrow" Come on guys, lets be honest here. There was never going to be any other reply to that question

I know. I was just responding to a joke i made when @top1whoisman posted the juve tweet.

I know it means nothing. However people will read into this BS.
 
Anyway while we're on the subject, a page 302 snapshot with a not so surprising headline

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"Abject Scotland thumped by..." insert country here.

On the subject of Pogba - what else is Allegri going to say? "He's given me back the keys to the Rover and I've told him that I'll have his clothes sent to his bit on the side".