Vidal went for 35m didn't he? Liverpool had to sell. There was pressure on them to do so and use the money to rebuild. They were all for it. Yes it's above 60m but their situation was different. Here Juventus don't have to sell. Hence they have a better hand in this deal. I'm telling the price is what makes this deal different. I'm talking about deals over 60m. Madrid have three of those and Barca have one. So when talking about your "experience" argument only they classify. And what's different in those other deals was that the selling club didn't owe the player's agent any % of the fee. So essentially those deals were between two parties - the two clubs. Here again this is different between its between three parties - the two clubs and the player' agent.
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Why the shit are you using Fergie's feck up for an arguement in this case? Fergie fecked up big time with Pogba, and playing Rafael and Park ahead of him was just the icing on the cake. Great manager, but he wasn't perfect. He made mistakes, and Pogba was one of his biggest.
Ok tell me which world transfer breaking fee has ever been done as quickly as you'd like to imply.
It's like the Ronaldo's and Bale's transfers never occurred reading some stuff posted in here.
Don't think there is anything great about comparing Zidan's statistics with Pogba's and then coming to the conclusion that the fee is justified. I am sure a little google search will throw at least 5 other midfielders who'll have similar stats to Pogba's last season. Does that mean they are all worth 100m?
Zidane was the best player in the world when Real bought him from Juve. Pogba has a long way to go to come even close to Zidane's level.
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Problem is, we don't know what type of agreement it is. I'm assuming it's a verbal agreement as the paperwork and legal stuff is being done. We wouldn't announce something based on a verbal agreement, anything could happen in the time from that agreement being made to the paperwork being done and everything being signed.
What if we announced that we have a 'agreed' a fee for Pogba based on a verbal agreement and in that time stuff goes wrong, or Juve suddenly decide to break that verbal agreement and demand more etc. Thats the problem, we don't know what type of agreement there is. There might have been an agreement on the fee, but not on the little things - payment structure etc. People say paperwork doesn't take weeks too, yes thats correct, but as i say, maybe we've only reached a firm verbal agreement over everything in the past few days and now everything is being written up for a solid written agreement? In that case, until that written agreement is signed, and Pogba is 'released' from Juventus, he is still one of their players, and if they demand he goes to training, he goes to training. He can refuse of course, but it doesn't look good on him does it and it's most definitely a huge disrespect to Juventus too.
All this is just my opinion though as i have no idea whats going on behind the scenes, same as everyone else here. And i'm sure none of us here actually know for sure what goes on in a football transfer
If a club isn't keen of being ripped a new one then they don't bid for players from a club like Juventus. Dont take me wrong they aren't Barcelona/Real but they are tough clubs to make deals with. Now my argument is simple here do we really need to spend 100m on a midfielder whose more comfortable as no 10 then anywhere else and whose not that keen to play for us in the first Iplace? If yes, then lets pay everything Juventus throw to us. If not then we move for other targets.
We've placed ourselves in a tight corner now. If we end up with some Matuidi after so many weeks chasing Pogba then we would look silly and there's no chance Juventus will relent on their price.
Ronaldo and Bale were much better players then Pogba and Juventus aren't Manchester United either
Let's take this case-by-case:
1. Vidal - let's just accept that Bayern are exceptional at transfers, for starters. Secondly, Vidal was always going to move and this was open knowledge. Christ, we had a thread on here for 18 months over the man! That the transfer was done and "Bayern weren't tortured" presumes that we are being tortured. No report shows that the club is being tortured. The only folks being tortured are the fans who continue to wait expectantly despite knowing that the player in question is on vacation an ocean away!
2. Suarez - the courting went on over the year and it was open knowledge that he would move. He'd agreed the thing with the club in advance.
3. AdM - Always wanted to move to PSG even when at Madrid. And signed "in no time"? Guessing you've forgotten all the stuff he pulled by not returning to the club for training (yep, he did that), LvG saying we were expecting him etc. etc.? It was in no way done "in no time".
Big transfers always take time and it would be a myth to say we are not "experienced". We've broken the British record several times. We've also done the deal for AdM at quite a significant price. That it fell short of the record is neither here nor there.
Now, Ronaldo was courted for well over a year. Even after his "prisoner" status etc., the deal took over a year and was sealed in July because we made an agreement with him a year in advance. Bale was a deadline-day signing for Madrid. So was AdM for us. In this case, the player is actually on a vacation (planned) after a major tournament. Given all that, the very fact that this could easily be done within the first half of August is actually very efficient!
He mentioned more than that in his two posts that I read.
What does this have to do with anything? We're talking about world record breaking transfer fees, not whether which players were better. And I disagree with Bale by the way.
Both Bales and Ronaldo transfer saga dragged on forever and a lot of drama were involved, so for you to say that we are the first and only one dealing this slowly when it comes to such a huge transfer is simply not true, not even close.
All deals had 3 things in common. The buyer club wanted him, the player wanted to move there and the club had other targets in mind. In terms of Pogba we want him, we're not that sure if we are his first option and we do not seem to have any other targets in mind. And please don't mention Matuidi
I am a big fan of Pogba and he's nowhere near to Bale. Its one thing getting Ronaldo who was the best player in the world (and the most marketable) from one of the top clubs in the world and its another taking a good player who play with the Celtic of the 4th best league in the world
That is the crux of his argument.
974 pages on this, really?
It won't happen, he'll either stay at Juve, or Madrid will gazump us at the last minute. I've said this all along
It appears Real have stolen in.
You'd have to be so out of the loop and bone headed to still be claiming Real are involved in this deal.
To those people saying United are slow blah blah, why are you assuming that it's United dragging their heels? They have no reason to, United want to close asap and get working with the player. If there is a holdup you can be sure it's not United delaying.
Why do people keep making the argument he doesn't want to play for us when there is no basis to it?
Real have already turned their attention to Eden hazard
I think you're probably right but equally I agree with the point that this is very new type of transfer for us. There could be a lot of legal stuff going on from United and Pogba's side that is slowing it down.
Well he left us once before
We aren't in the CL
Nearly every reporter suggested at the start of the saga he prefered Real
He is joining us purely for the cash
You've said it all along and you will be proven wrong all along.974 pages on this, really?
It won't happen, he'll either stay at Juve, or Madrid will gazump us at the last minute. I've said this all along
Look I'm not going to argue about which player is better or not given I see it very debatable and it would only derail from the main point.
So to get back to it, how about you answer me properly? I asked you whether you've never seen a world record breaking transfer fee drag on before. And from you answers you're obviously aware of it happening before with both Ronaldo and Bale. Whether it came from lesser players or lesser league is beside the point. We're talking about a world record transfer fee which is what is common in all 3 cases.
And please stop with the Celtic comparisons. This is why opposing team fans think some in here are arrogant and delusional. We're talking about Juventus here, not some bloody third rate teams. In case you're not aware Juve are still one of the biggest European club in the world, it might help you knowing that.
He left us because it was our mistake.
We aren't in the CL and he still wants to come - it can't be just the money.
Every reporter didn't say he wanted Madrid - Ballbag the cnut was running with it. It still doesn't make it true.
Again no basis for your argument - he is purely joining for the cash.
It's the next natural step of negativity when the "We can't sign these kind of players" can't be used, and we all know how people love to be negative.
Ballague wasn't the only reporter saying this at all.
You would have to give your head a wobble if you genuinely think he would choose us over Real in a straight choice.
Based on what exactly?
There's so many points towards this not happening, I just can't see how anyone is still confident
As I said in an earlier post maybe it's the fact that he actually really does want to play for us rather than being reluctant to as so many seem to believe. I used the phrase unfinished business for lack of a better one but perhaps he really does have an affinity with the club which resulted in a genuine desire to return having only left in the first place because he felt he had no other choice lest he hamper his own development.
You can't say that. You'll make them cry.
Well in that case lets not sign any big player. Let's sign more average squad players and stay in the Europa for a bit more because those are the only players Madrid won't want. Hell if Madrid come them then we will lose out on them as well. If Madrid came for Rojo you think he would have picked us over them? In that case we can't sign anyone because every single player would choose Madrid over us. We will be no one's first choice.
I've never ever seen such an obviously happening transfer. Ever.
I'm not debating your take on the others. I would however say that from all that we know, we do seem to be his choice (unless you believe Marca's sob stories). Now, if he returns to Juve for training and nothing moves for the next fortnight, I'd concede that there's merit to being a bit worried. Right now though, I don't see why we're suddenly terrified that we're not his first choice / he's not that keen on us etc.
What are these points?
"We have 22 and we are going to have 23,” said Mourinho. “You are right, I don’t like to speak about other clubs or players from other clubs. Other managers like to do that, they like to speak about my club and my players. I am very pragmatic on this.
"All that matters is what happens in my house and not in my neighbours’ house. Paul Pogba is a Juventus player until he isn’t, officially, so we stay like this. The market closes on Aug 31 but I think my club is trying to do everything to close our market before the 14th."
"[We have signed] A young defender that needs time to be a top one but who has top potential. A creative player that we know the quality, a super striker, and we are going to get a very good midfielder."
It's not going to be fecking Steffen Freund, is it
So is Juve a top club or not, make up your mind?
Pogba was voted into the FifPro(?) best XI by his peers, so he's really not that far away from Bale's level. Unless of course you know better than them.
At what point does flat out negativity and arguing with every positive point raised, be seen as being a WUM?
You'll probably cry when Pogba signs with us on Monday.
Coming back to the team that let him go, wrongly.
Manchester weather not Madrid.
Money.
He's a mercenary like most other young players guided by their bank account and greedy agent.
No cl football
Dragging it out so long.
There are probably more factors, it's obviously not happening
You are honestly of the opinion that Madrid are even an option anymore, you're not worth any time replying to tbf.
These are the same point and they would make him more likely to join us than Madrid as we will offer higher wages.