Rooney Contract Haggling / Transfer Requests Revisited

Perrick Dubois

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Oh god here we go again. He's been shite for years guys! YEARRRRSSSSsssssss haha

Couldn't give a hoot how he played for England and Sam was right to tell the media to go swallow one. Hope he's primed for derby time. We need him to play well in this one if we're going to lay down an early season marker and get one over city.

stevoc said:
I'm not sure it's safe to assume that at all. Did Ferguson ever say he would have actually sold him?
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For what it is worth, SAF said that he wasn't dropped for the Madrid game and that it was tactical and that he'd and I quote "Be here next season, no doubt a'boo tha" prior to his retirement. It is a massive myth that is constantly pedaled on here and as you see "safe to assume" seems to be yet more fuel to believe a bunch of possibilities and argue to the death as though they are stone cold facts to build your house upon.
 
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Perrick Dubois said:
For what it is worth, SAF said that he wasn't dropped for the Madrid game and that it was tactical and that he'd and I quote "Be here next season, no doubt a'boo tha" prior to his retirement. It is a massive myth that is constantly pedaled on here and as you see "safe to assume" seems to be yet more fuel to believe a bunch of possibilities and argue to the death as though they are stone cold facts to build your house upon.
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Rooney was definitely gone that summer. SAF basically said it's up to Moyes what to do, but he'd had him out the door ready to go.

Remember that Mata + luiz swap deal for Rooney? Turns out that wasn't BS after all. Shame it wasn't Mata + cash as it would have worked out well.
 
K2K said:
If Fergie wanted him gone,he would have been gone.

There is no way anyone would have overruled Ferguson had he stayed.
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Yeah i agree but thats not what i'm saying though mate. I don't think Ferguson would have wanted him gone.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Rooney was definitely gone that summer. SAF basically said it's up to Moyes what to do, but he'd had him out the door ready to go.
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Based on what exactly?

Ferguson never said then or since that he would have sold Rooney that i can recall.

Adam-Utd said:
Remember that Mata + luiz swap deal for Rooney? Turns out that wasn't BS after all. Shame it wasn't Mata + cash as it would have worked out well.
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Well we didn't actually swap Rooney for Mata and/or Luiz so turns out it was bullshit after all.

Think about it mate do either Ferguson or Moyes seem like managers who would have wanted a Luiz type defender in their side. It was paper nonsense.
 
stevoc said:
Ferguson never said then or since that he would have sold Rooney that i can recall.
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The great man himself said:
"The Wayne Rooney nonsense first? Or do you want to talk sense? The issue you're all going on about is rubbish. There's absolutely no issue between Wayne Rooney and I. The suggestion we don't talk on the training ground is nonsense. The decision to not play him was purely tactical and he understood that. Wayne will be here next year. You have my word on that.
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I mean, so definitely was he gone that he's still here. Only some sort of hairless warlock could manage such a feat. I have been firmly trumped.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah i agree but thats not what i'm saying though mate. I don't think Ferguson would have wanted him gone.
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Fergie has used the same modus operandi to get rid of big stars in the past. See Beckham, Van Nielsterooy and Keane for example.

It usually starts with being dropped(Rooney against Madrid and Swansea), a falling out and then player moved on quickly. All the signs were there imo.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
I mean, so definitely was he gone that he's still here. Only some sort of hairless warlock could manage such a feat. I have been firmly trumped.
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Without looking it up - that quote would seem likely to be straight after the Madrid return leg.

Ferguson's discourse regarding Rooney changed dramatically when he announced his retirement and it was the final couple matches.
 
K2K said:
Fergie has used the same modus operandi to get rid of big stars in the past. See Beckham, Van Nielsterooy and Keane for example.

It usually starts with being dropped(Rooney against Madrid and Swansea), a falling out and then player moved on quickly. All the signs were there imo.
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They were all there in 2010 also and yet he stayed. Dropped for the West Brom game on the 16 Oct, Fergie reveals he is stalling on a contract and Rooney renews his contract a week later.

Beckham and Ruud went to Real and Keane was done. Rooney was 27 do you imagine Ferguson would have allowed Rooney to join Chelsea?

Because i don't, he would have most likely signed his new contract and they would have kissed and made up in my opinion.
 
stevoc said:
Based on what exactly?

Ferguson never said then or since that he would have sold Rooney that i can recall.
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SAF said Rooney wanted to leave and asked for a transfer during our trophy celebrations after his last home game in charge. Bit strange for SAF to announce that publicly at such a joyous moment. Rooney himself later denied SAF's version of events. It did seem like SAF was setting him up for a sale.
 
kps88 said:
SAF said Rooney wanted to leave and asked for a transfer during our trophy celebrations after his last home game in charge. Bit strange for SAF to announce that publicly at such a joyous moment. Rooney himself later denied SAF's version of events; so it did seem like SAF was setting him up for a sale.
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Exactly as I remember it. He basically set it up for the incoming manager to have the power to get rid of him if he wanted. He washed his hands of Rooney.
 
stevoc said:
They were all there in 2010 also and yet he stayed. Dropped for the West Brom game on the 16 Oct, Fergie reveals he is stalling on a contract and Rooney renews his contract a week later.

Beckham and Ruud went to Real and Keane was done. Rooney was 27 do you imagine Ferguson would have allowed Rooney to join Chelsea?

Because i don't, he would have most likely signed his new contract and they would have kissed and made up in my opinion.
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I dont think we would ever have allowed him to join Chelsea.

Like everyone else, we would have forced him to go into Europe, and would have sold if there was genuine interest.

We never sold players to rivals under Fergie.

Fergie never fell out with players on a whim, it was usually strategic.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
Always thought SAF would've kept him, and that quote just confirms it. Never seen it before, where was it from?
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The presser right before the Chelsea FA cup loss I believe. Very early April.. Maybe even late March? A fortnight or so before he announced his retirement. So I doubt anything soured much further - I would theorize that there were some serious hard hitting contract negotiations going on in the background. So I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that some of that boiled to the surface.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
The presser right before the Chelsea FA cup loss I believe. Very early April.. Maybe even late March? A fortnight or so before he announced his retirement. So I doubt anything soured - I would theorize that there were some serious hard hitting contract negotiations going on in the background. So I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that some of that boiled to the surface.
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So after he was dropped for the Madrid game. No sane manager would have said anything untoward then in the middle of a very crucial period of our season. I'd pay more attention to the quotes at the end of the season.
 
kps88 said:
SAF said Rooney wanted to leave and asked for a transfer during our trophy celebrations after his last home game in charge. Bit strange for SAF to announce that publicly at such a joyous moment. Rooney himself later denied SAF's version of events. It did seem like SAF was setting him up for a sale.
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He did basically the same thing in 2010 though, went public with it to force Rooney's hand.

Rooney plays hard ball behind the scenes but is very aware of his public image, as i said earlier in 2010 within a week of Ferguson revealing that Rooney had asked to leave he had renewed his contract.

Ferguson went public in 2013 i suspect as he thought it would help Moyes deal with the situation, and if in the unlikely event that Rooney did leave Fergie had already made it public so no one could blame Moyes for his departure.

Thats how i seen it anyway.
 
Can't really blame the club or any of the managers for not selling Rooney to Chelsea, him regressing or not, it would have sent all the wrong signals.

I honestly feel that this will be Rooney's last season with us, and he will accept it as long as he gets the scoring record. What has held us back from selling him earlier is the sponsors, they needed their figurehead at the club, now that stuff is sorted with Pogba.
 
SwansonsTache said:
What has held us back from selling him earlier is the sponsors, they needed their figurehead at the club, now that stuff is sorted with Pogba.
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Really? This from a club that sold the most marketable player in the world for peanuts.
 
K2K said:
I dont think we would ever have allowed him to join Chelsea.

Like everyone else, we would have forced him to go into Europe, and would have sold if there was genuine interest.

We never sold players to rivals under Fergie.

Fergie never fell out with players on a whim, it was usually strategic.
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I'm sure Ferguson actually fell out with players plenty of times over the years, not all those tiffs lead to the player leaving.

I just don't think he would have let him leave i just don't see it, when he went public with the Rooney thing in 2013 i think he was trying to protect Moyes. Either ensuring Rooney didn't take the piss in wage demands knowing there was a new manager who would be under pressure or as i said above to ensure Moyes wouldn't get blamed if Rooney for some reason did leave.

It was strategic alright.
 
kps88 said:
SAF said Rooney wanted to leave and asked for a transfer during our trophy celebrations after his last home game in charge. Bit strange for SAF to announce that publicly at such a joyous moment. Rooney himself later denied SAF's version of events. It did seem like SAF was setting him up for a sale.
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Call me crazy but I believe SAF's word over Rooneys.
 
kps88 said:
Really? This from a club that sold the most marketable player in the world for peanuts.
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Are you talking about Ronaldo? He didn't leave us with much choice since he "had a dream", and we sold him for a then record fee. If you are talking about Pogba we didn't sell the most marketable player, we sold a tremendous prospect at the time. And once Raiola got under his skin and he felt it was time to move there was nothing we could do.

Selling your captain to one of your biggest rivals in the league would be totally different.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Are you talking about Ronaldo? He didn't leave us with much choice since he "had a dream", and we sold him for a then record fee. If you are talking about Pogba we didn't sell the most marketable player, we sold a tremendous prospect at the time. And once Raiola got under his skin and he felt it was time to move there was nothing we could do.

Selling your captain to one of your biggest rivals in the league would be totally different.
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If we listened to our sponsors Beckham would have retired here.
 
SAF said he wasn't going to allow Rooney leave because it was the next manager's decision. I remember the post match interview against Swansea clearly.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
The presser right before the Chelsea FA cup loss I believe. Very early April.. Maybe even late March? A fortnight or so before he announced his retirement. So I doubt anything soured much further - I would theorize that there were some serious hard hitting contract negotiations going on in the background. So I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that some of that boiled to the surface.
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The day of the title celebrations. Fergie hadn't involved Rooney in any of the last few games. It was all set for him to go, but obviously Moyes decided he wanted to keep him. Idiot.
 
Pexbo said:
Call me crazy but I believe SAF's word over Rooneys.
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Not crazy, I think it is sound logic in general terms. I think SAF dropped bol when making that "transfer request" parting shot though. Maybe he thought it would up the heat on Rooney's camp or up Uniteds bargaining position post SAF during the Moyes season. Could easily have been "A technicality" or a bit of a bol dropped by Rooney and actually happened verbally but not technically.

I was glad at the time he didn't go to Chelsea, that would have been rough. Especially given Moyes ability in the market to replace such a player, considering he top scored that season.
 
stevoc said:
I'm sure Ferguson actually fell out with players plenty of times over the years, not all those tiffs lead to the player leaving.

I just don't think he would have let him leave i just don't see it, when he went public with the Rooney thing in 2013 i think he was trying to protect Moyes. Either ensuring Rooney didn't take the piss in wage demands knowing there was a new manager who would be under pressure or as i said above to ensure Moyes wouldn't get blamed if Rooney for some reason did leave.

It was strategic alright.
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He probably did fall out with many players(Schmeichel for example) but he kept it internally. This was different for a reason.
 
SAF says Rooney asked to leave. Rooney says he suggested it would be better if he goes if he wasn't first choice. Quite frankly what does it matter. Moyes gave him a 5 year contract. Mourinho Ho will make a decision based on performances. I don't think Mourinho gives a feck about dressing room influence.
 
Pexbo said:
Call me crazy but I believe SAF's word over Rooneys.
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So would i but to be fair i don't think either of them were actually lying. Rooney never denied he asked to leave only that he put in a transfer request. And again to be fair i don't think Ferguson ever even said he put in a transfer request, only that he had asked to leave and the media twisted that into a transfer request.

The bolded part below should put this theory that Ferguson would have sold him to bed also.

"I don't think Wayne was keen to play, simply because he's asked for a transfer," the Scot told Sky Sports.

"I think he wants to think things through in his own mind. I think that's a good idea. We're not going to let him go.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/n...a-transfer-request-to-leave-manchester-united



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34389171
 
Adam-Utd said:


The day of the title celebrations. Fergie hadn't involved Rooney in any of the last few games. It was all set for him to go, but obviously Moyes decided he wanted to keep him. Idiot.
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In that interview he says ''We're not going to let him go.''
 
K2K said:
He probably did fall out with many players(Schmeichel for example) but he kept it internally. This was different for a reason.
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True but in my opinion making it public in this situation was specific to Rooney. Ferguson wanted to control how the saga played out in the press just like in 2010.

As we are lead to believe Rooney has lots of connections in the media and a PR team working around the clock, so it makes sense to get out ahead of a situation by going public.
 
stevoc said:
In that interview he says ''We're not going to let him go.''
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Yeah just like he wasn't going to let Ronaldo go either. Why did he not play him in the biggest European match of recent years, or drop him for the last few league games?. We know how Fergie operated, it was always methodical. We can all believe what we want, but in my eyes he was out that summer.
 
K2K said:
Those are genuine outliers.

It doesnt matter whether its Rooney or any other legend, Id not be happy with a player that seems to be undroppable even when they are not playing well.

So when he plays well, great. When he doesnt, stop shoehorning him around the pitch.
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Fair enough. When he's not contributing and others are playing better, I'm all for him to be dropped.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Yeah just like he wasn't going to let Ronaldo go either. Why did he not play him in the biggest European match of recent years, or drop him for the last few league games?. We know how Fergie operated, it was always methodical. We can all believe what we want, but in my eyes he was out that summer.
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Ronaldo pretty much forced his departure so even if Fergie wanted him to stay, it was never going to happen. Rooney was never desperate to leave and it would be easier to keep him.
 
K2K said:
Its not just Rooney fans though. It happens all the time in sports.

A lot of people struggle to comprehend that someone that was so good, can suddenly decline that badly.

They are Tiger Woods fans out there for example that still think he might make a comeback.

Heroes do fade out, they are human.
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True. Heroes do deserve some respect too though. Criticising Rooney is all right but a lot on the forum are downright disrespectful to one of our greatest players in recent times. Love him or hate him, he'll be our top scorer ever and a legend through an amazing period for the club.
 
stevoc said:
True but in my opinion making it public in this situation was specific to Rooney. Ferguson wanted to control how the saga played out in the press just like in 2010.

As we are lead to believe Rooney has lots of connections in the media and a PR team working around the clock, so it makes sense to get out ahead of a situation by going public.
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He probably did, but I think it was in order to make it more acceptable to get rid.

The Rooney camp themselves came out with statements explaining why he wanted to leave too(the angry and confused stuff)
 
wr8_utd said:
True. Heroes do deserve some respect too though. Criticising Rooney is all right but a lot on the forum are downright disrespectful to one of our greatest players in recent times. Love him or hate him, he'll be our top scorer ever and a legend through an amazing period for the club.
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Fair enough, but Rooney burnt a lot of bridges in 2010.

The relationship has never been the same since.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Yeah just like he wasn't going to let Ronaldo go either. Why did he not play him in the biggest European match of recent years, or drop him for the last few league games?. We know how Fergie operated, it was always methodical. We can all believe what we want, but in my eyes he was out that summer.
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Is there a direct quote from Ferguson in 2009 where he says Ronaldo won't be sold?

Why if he was setting it up for him to leave as you suggest and he was revealing that Rooney had asked to leave, why would he say in the manner he did ''We're not going to let him go.'' If he was you know actually going to let him go.

It makes no sense mate.
 
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