I can certainly see Sunderland going down this season, even if Defoe stays fit. People keep saying they are destined to stay up as they always survive. I don't agree, & eventually they will fall. The likes of Wimbledon, Wigan, Coventry, & most recently Aston Villa used to think the same, & once down usually fall right away.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Di Natale, Klose, Anelka, might be too old and slow for the Prem mind, but they'd find the net.
Bentdner, Sessegnon, Adebayor, Chamakh, guess they all suck, but for a backup at Sunderland?
Macheda's available!
He couldn't have signed any of them though because they're out of contract and not playing anywhere so he couldn't have conducted Moyes special extensive scouting. Anichebe was all that's left, he's already managed him for several years so knew the quality.
Add Fulham.
Bolton and Wigan as well, Middlesbrough some years before. There are always teams who are in the lower half for a while without getting relegated but when they eventually do, they hit rock bottom and often find themselves in League 1 not long after. If Sunderland can give Smug Dave his 6 years, he will get there.
I don't if Berbatov was interested to play for Sunderland and Moyes but he is available.
I guess you do mate and i respect that.
Personally i didn't feel sorry for him then or now, and i am sure many others feel the same and that won't be changing any time soon either i suspect.
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Great post mate, really highlights that Moyes while being a good manager at Everton has learned nothing in the last few years since he left them.
Same approach that failed him at United is being repeated at Sunderland, hopefully with the same result and then he can finally slink off and join Graham, Curbushley etc. in the managerial wilderness.
And he's such an insipid character that i doubt many will shed a tear when he does eventually crash and burn. Even at Everton where he spent 11 years he's not really loved which says it all really.
Martin Samuel's piece in today's Mail about Moyes:
MOYES' HESITATION COULD PROVE COSTLY
''Once again, David Moyes is first with the news Sunderland fans do not want to hear.
‘It is probably going to take three or four transfer windows to get something like what we want,’ he said, once transfer window business was completed. So check back in 2018. Unfortunately, Moyes does not have that long.
Since 2013, the average term of a Premier League manager has been less than two years. Without a dramatic upturn in Sunderland’s fortunes it is unlikely Moyes will get four transfer windows. He didn’t make it past two at Manchester United — and that with a six-year contract.
It will not help his reputation for indecisiveness in the transfer market that Sunderland failed to land a striker. In his defence, Moyes did not have all summer to plan, only succeeding Sam Allardyce on July 23, but to end up needing to take Victor Anichebe as a free agent this weekend was disappointing.
Anichebe was released by West Brom in May, having scored six league goals in three seasons — and none in 14 appearances in his final campaign. His last goal for the club was May 9, 2015, meaning Sunderland will still be desperate for Jermain Defoe to stay fit.
Moyes broke Sunderland’s transfer record for Gabonese midfielder Didier Ndong, and it would be a coup if loan signing Adnan Januzaj could rediscover his form — but a relief striker was what he needed.
After his first transfer window at Old Trafford — when the club recruited only Marouane Fellaini — many blamed Moyes for not undertaking a more dramatic rebuilding programme following Sir Alex Ferguson’s departure.
Events at Sunderland will have done little to persuade anyone they were wrong.''
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MOYES' HESITATION COULD PROVE COSTLY
''Once again, David Moyes is first with the news Sunderland fans do not want to hear.
‘It is probably going to take three or four transfer windows to get something like what we want,’ he said, once transfer window business was completed. So check back in 2018. Unfortunately, Moyes does not have that long.
Since 2013, the average term of a Premier League manager has been less than two years. Without a dramatic upturn in Sunderland’s fortunes it is unlikely Moyes will get four transfer windows. He didn’t make it past two at Manchester United — and that with a six-year contract.
It will not help his reputation for indecisiveness in the transfer market that Sunderland failed to land a striker. In his defence, Moyes did not have all summer to plan, only succeeding Sam Allardyce on July 23, but to end up needing to take Victor Anichebe as a free agent this weekend was disappointing.
Anichebe was released by West Brom in May, having scored six league goals in three seasons — and none in 14 appearances in his final campaign. His last goal for the club was May 9, 2015, meaning Sunderland will still be desperate for Jermain Defoe to stay fit.
Moyes broke Sunderland’s transfer record for Gabonese midfielder Didier Ndong, and it would be a coup if loan signing Adnan Januzaj could rediscover his form — but a relief striker was what he needed.
After his first transfer window at Old Trafford — when the club recruited only Marouane Fellaini — many blamed Moyes for not undertaking a more dramatic rebuilding programme following Sir Alex Ferguson’s departure.
Events at Sunderland will have done little to persuade anyone they were wrong.''
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...ish-league-recipe-disaster.html#ixzz4JNKaLJsF
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I can't believe how someone can be this naive. I actually want him to do well but if he really thinks he'll have 4 windows to sort this team out, god help him.
It is like he is living in some alternative world.
Also I think this aura of self confidence, self belief and smugness he is putting on is doing him no favours, he really is setting himself up to fail. I also think that most people see directly through that stuff, because he wouldn't dither and fail to make decisions so often if he really did have all this belief and confidence he likes to portray. In fact I think he is hugely insecure, not sure if it was like this before the United job, but that job broke him for sure, you could visibly see the man detoriating along with the teams performance.
Also I think this aura of self confidence, self belief and smugness he is putting on is doing him no favours, he really is setting himself up to fail. I also think that most people see directly through that stuff, because he wouldn't dither and fail to make decisions so often if he really did have all this belief and confidence he likes to portray. In fact I think he is hugely insecure, not sure if it was like this before the United job, but that job broke him for sure, you could visibly see the man detoriating along with the teams performance.
Safe to say that Mr Samuel isn't part of the Media Friends of Moyes dining club
Jesus Dave good luck with that.
I suspect in the next year or two he will be on TV again moaning that he thought it was a 4 year job at Sunderland.
Typical Moyes. Set expectations as low as possible so nobody is surprised when you fail.
It strikes me as truly awful management to constantly belittle your players and tell them that they're not what you want and it will take you ages to replace them with someone who's worthy of being your player. Of course you may say once or twice that you still need to address some squad issues but he's basically told the players that they're terrible and will do nothing more than barely scrap through relegation battle, which they can only ever succeed at if he provides them with his genius mind (which deserves a truly top club not some shithole like Sunderland, which he also did not forget to mention). I'd not be impressed if my boss told our team on day one that we're a bit clueless but maybe, just maybe, if he gives his best, we'll maybe survive.
How do Sunderland fans feel about him?
Not sure if he will even be there in 4 years. Either he will do well there and he will get a better job and jump ship or he will flop there and get sacked. Either way it's highly unlikely he will be in Sunderland after two years.
And I don't know what is he trying to turn the club into. I doubt Sunderland will ever become a midtable club (6-14 placed club) on q consistent basis. Him going for long haul won't help him.
And I don't know what is he trying to turn the club into. I doubt Sunderland will ever become a midtable club (6-14 placed club) on q consistent basis. Him going for long haul won't help him.
Or any little thing is seen as a huge achievement.
What I found remarkable during his tenure with us and ever since is the distinct lack of support from his former players. You can tell a lot about a person from the opinions or lack thereof from those in close vicinity to him.
But thats only assuming the thinking behind these statements is whats in the best interests of Sunderland and its players. I suspect he's protecting his own reputation here and already thinking about his next job, by trying to make it appear like the Sunderland squad is not good enough to be in the Premier League.
If he gets relegated/sacked it was the players fault, if he survives it will be ''look at me i'm a genius''.
We as United fans know all too well this is his modus operandi.
You think we have an issue losing Bailly for the ACON? (or whatever they call it)
http://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-players-expected-to-depart-for-afcon
Willing to give him a chance, think that's more out of desperation than faith though.
Not the first time Martin Samuel has been critical of Moyes in his writing since the Scot took over at Sunderland. Not the first and it probably won't be the last either.Safe to say that Mr Samuel isn't part of the Media Friends of Moyes dining club
Given the rumblings at West Brom, it wouldn't surprise me to see Pulis at Sunderland before Xmas.
Saw this pic and it's amazing we hired this guy. One of our strangest decisions
Think people are just having the boots in now and it is a bit petty in all honesty. He was given a big job, it was too big for him, it would have been too big for all but 3 managers currently in world football, whom we all offered it too before him it turns out.
I'd let him be. He has become a meme for failure and the turn around job he did at Everton merits more than that.
I'd let him be. He has become a meme for failure and the turn around job he did at Everton merits more than that.
He claims he was treated unfairly by the club and makes all sorts of claims about how if he knew he would be sacked after 10 months he would have acted differently. While also claiming he would do nothing different in his time here. Hard to find sympathy for that
I think one of the reasons he still gets criticism is due to how divisive he was when hired. I was completely against it (wanted Mourinho) but had to listen to how he was the United way and he needs time to show it etc etc and you aren't a real United fan if you don't support him
I'm not talking about sympathy for his time with us, i'm just saying ... let that shit go, it's over.
As far as what other fans are saying, feck does that matter ? You didn't want him, neither did I particularly but feck it, he was manager, get behind him while he's here eh ?
I don't really see the big deal in still mocking him, its just some banter as Richard Keys would say. Plus its interesting to hear peoples thoughts on that period after a couple of years
It's not like he moved on from the subject either. Still discusses how we mistreated him and needed time etc etc
Thats been debated at great length on here in other threads but theres still not much actual evidence that we did. If you think we did fair enough i personally don't. Moyes was Fergusons first choice all along in my opinion.
Well it is pretty well established that we offered it to Guardiola, his meeting with SAF being confirmed on both sides, Mourinho was Woodward's choice but vetoed (this one is tenuous and there are varying accounts i'll 'cede) and Ancelotti confirmed it was offered to him as well. So 2 out the 3 we know for sure.
Anyway, i've talked enough Moyes for a lifetime, only saying i'd probably move on or you'll end up the kinda dude with a stomach ulcer.
Nope Guardiola has never confirmed that he was offered the job, only that he had lunch with Ferguson, Mourinho obviously nothing confirmed either he likely wasn't offered it either. The only debatable one was Ancelotti but personally i don't buy that one either. But anyway as i said it's been discussed a lot elsewhere, no desire to get into a big discussion about it again in here.
Nah i reckon theres plenty of people who could safely talk about him for years to come without any medical issues.
Transfer market failure aside they have looked good in all their matches so far I'd say.
LvG is a Champions League winning manager. Moyesy, on the other hand, has never won a trophy apart from the Charity shield.
You guys want to have a chat with yourselves. Its a really unattractive feature of internet fandom how supporters ridicule and bully their ex-managers. Some of the shit on here about Moyes is indistinguishable from the bile projected by Liverpoool fans at Roy Hodgson. After Hodgson left Liverpool, their fans regularly called him owl, lesbian, lesbian owl, big nose, big nose cnut, big nose lesbian owl cnut, lesbian owl cnut, "arl' cnut, 'arl" owl cnut, the foregone conclusion, nobby, arl lesbian oxygen thief, dimitri, the Fulham shitheel, Sun reader, Art Vandelay's Photoshop Thread, and Art Vandelay's arl lesbian owl cnut Photoshop Thread cnut. Let's not stoop to their levels.
Lesbian owl 
Our away record in the league under him was very good.
Saw this pic and it's amazing we hired this guy. One of our strangest decisions
If any it's good for releasing some steam
Indeed. Against top 4 teams, the away record was win 0, draw 1, lose 2. Against teams that finished above us it was win 0, draw 2, lose 4. Home and away record against those same teams was win 1, draw 3, lose 8. GD was 3 for, 20 against.
Typical Moyes record.