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[devilish]

That's harsh.

I don't know who he is. But what he said is pretty positive for the EU, no customs Union and no single market.

Its not harsh at all. His strategies keeps being shot down as illegal or impractical. For example He first suggested that trade deals can be made with the individual EU countries which is of course illegal and then he thought that the UK can remove all the EU laws and then re-introduce them back which has now, been proven, to be impractical. These are the sort of things that we, as EU immigrants, with no idea about EU law knew. He's the Brexit minister FFS. Shouldn't he knew something about the EU?

 

[devilish]

Let's just keep rerunning the vote until you get your way.

Is it too unfair to allow the three stooges to fudge a deal with the EU and then vote whether the British accept that or not?

 

[vidic blood & sand]

Well I voted for Brexit, and have forgot all about over the last month. Obviously the true impact is gonna kick in when the negotiations begin.
It'll be a great feeling having our laws back, and no longer being bossed around by foreign bureaucrats no one's heard of. The immigration side of things will be tough I think. I heard that we allow 120000 people into the country who aren't even from EU countries. Lot of desperate guys ordering their wives out of Asian catalogs etc.

 

[devilish]

Well I voted for Brexit, and have forgot all about over the last month. Obviously the true impact is gonna kick in when the negotiations begin.
It'll be a great feeling having our laws back, and no longer being bossed around by foreign bureaucrats no one's heard of. The immigration side of things will be tough I think. I heard that we allow 120000 people into the country who aren't even from EU countries. Lot of desperate guys ordering their wives out of Asian catalogs etc.

I guess marrying certain Brits is yet another job no British person wants to do. Just ask Ms Farage

 

[Will Absolute]

We haven't left just yet either...

... but all the signs are that the downside to Brexit will be very hard on the UK for many years to come whilst not one single global leader has come forward and said we've done the right thing in their opinion unless you're willing to count Kim Jong Un. Meanwhile Theresa has said the points migration system so favoured by the Brexit group would be more damaging for the UK than our present system and our Brexit minister seems to be arriving at the conclusion that free trade with the EU will not be possible on the terms we wish to dictate.

Pick from any of those reasons and the hundreds more, there's plenty for Remain to find difficult, to be less than happy about and for us to refuse to just live with the consequences and shut up because ... democracy or some such bull.

On the contrary, all the signs are that Britain has weathered the initial storm perfectly well - the economic indicators are favourable at present. The preferences of 'global leaders' in respect of the behaviour of other nations tend to be based on political self-interest and ideology - the wishes and welfare of the countries citizens figure well down the list of priorities.

When a nation acts in a 'selfish' or self-interested way, upsetting the applecart of established relations with other countries, the international community reacts unfavourably. It doesn't mean the nation is wrong. OPEC was less than popular when they formed their little cartel and held the West to ransom on oil prices; but their people benefited. All of Western liberalism loved Gorbachev; the only place he was detested was Russia.

The EU has been embraced by liberalism as the latest embodiment of their pursuit of will-o'-the-wisp idealism. Obama is a liberal cliche - of course he dislikes Brexit. The international community and media are also governed by liberal assumptions, which, in particular, are given free rein when they have no skin in the game.

The hot air of politicians means nothing. So far the real economic indicators in the real world are fine. But we'll be in a position to make a better assessment in five years.

My opinion has always been that just as developed European countries haven't benefited greatly from entering the EU, Britiain won't lose greatly by leaving it.

 

[sun_tzu]

I heard that we allow 120000 people into the country who aren't even from EU countries. Lot of desperate guys ordering their wives out of Asian catalogs etc.

Yeah we hardly have any doctors, nurses, dentists and it type folk from out of the eu... it's all mail order brides

 

[JPRouve]

On the contrary, all the signs are that Britain has weathered the initial storm perfectly well

I have seen that several times, there has been nothing to weather, nothing has changed yet.

 

[Bury Red]

I have seen that several times, there has been nothing to weather, nothing has changed yet.

Yet despite nothing happening our currency has been consistently 8-10% lower than at any time in the last 3 years whilst a number of companies have already decided to leave the UK for Europe with the subsequent job losses. But then as Will himself has already said on this page, a weak pound is a bonus for exporters which is just great for a nation that produces next to feck all and is a net importer by a huge amount.

When the cost of living increases due to the weaker pound hitting our household bills I'm sure we'll be regaled with tales of how that means we will all benefit from pay rises in the near future. I'm sure when the storm does begin we'll see all the Brexit supporters claiming it's only a passing shower and that they can already see the silver lining behind the cloud.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

@devilish @Sweet Square

May said that she wants the UK to be 'a global leader' not 'the global leader'. It is hardly outlandish to say that.

@JPRouve @Bury Red

Many did predict that the troubles would start straight after the vote. The belief was that consumer confidence would be broken but that hasn't happened.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Well I voted for Brexit, and have forgot all about over the last month. Obviously the true impact is gonna kick in when the negotiations begin.
It'll be a great feeling having our laws back, and no longer being bossed around by foreign bureaucrats no one's heard of. The immigration side of things will be tough I think. I heard that we allow 120000 people into the country who aren't even from EU countries. Lot of desperate guys ordering their wives out of Asian catalogs etc.

This post is basically a checklist of every Brexit cliché going.

 

[Will Absolute]

I have seen that several times, there has been nothing to weather, nothing has changed yet.

Well, the widely predicted catastrophic loss of confidence in the future of the British economy hasn't occurred. Which is important since it influences the behaviour of both people on the high streets and British industry. British people are continuing to buy and British companies to invest.

 

[devilish]

@devilish @Sweet Square

May said that she wants the UK to be 'a global leader' not 'the global leader'. It is hardly outlandish to say that.

@JPRouve @Bury Red

Many did predict that the troubles would start straight after the vote. The belief was that consumer confidence would be broken but that hasn't happened.

a- I cant see how a nation of 60m+ customers can be a leader of anything on a global level to be honest
b- Many predicted that the Brexiteers will keep their word and activate article 50 immediately.

 

[Mozza]

Let's just keep rerunning the vote until you get your way.

The Brexiters spent 40 years arguing for a rerun

 

[JPRouve]

Well, the widely predicted catastrophic loss of confidence in the future of the British economy hasn't occurred. Which is important since it influences the behaviour of both people on the high streets and British industry. British people are continuing to buy and British companies to invest.

Once again nothing happened, I'm not telling you that Armageddon will come because I have no idea about what is going to happen. But you are being silly, we are in a status quo and you claim that you weathered something that hasn't happened, you haven't left the EU, you haven't exposed any plan and there is no time frame.

 

[PedroMendez]

I have seen that several times, there has been nothing to weather, nothing has changed yet.

well. I wonder why Mike Carney went nuts after the vote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...dum-bank-of-england-mark-carney-a7171596.html

 

[JPRouve]

well. I wonder why Mike Carney went nuts after the vote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...dum-bank-of-england-mark-carney-a7171596.html

A preemptive action, I guess.

 

[Stanley Road]

Just popped in the thread for a laugh.
Seems the main Brexiters have on the whole disappeared from the thread and the staunchest apologists for Brexit keep claiming they voted Remain

They're off building arks and buying locust repellent

Or maybe they got tired of negativity

 

[Classical Mechanic]

a- I cant see how a nation of 60m+ customers can be a leader of anything on a global level to be honest
b- Many predicted that the Brexiteers will keep their word and activate article 50 immediately.

a) The UK is the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world, fact! Why can't you comprehend that? There is nothing arrogant whatsoever about what Theresa May said in light of that.

b) Sorry but the sky was predicted by many to be falling in by now with or without article 50 being activated. Now I think that Brexit will cause economic pain but so far the storm has been weathered.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

They're off building arks and buying locust repellent

Or maybe they got tired of negativity

More likely they probably got bored and suddenly realised that if anything does happen other than the pound weakening it's going to take several years- if indeed the UK actually does leave at all.
On the other hand some probably think the UK has already left.

 

[Will Absolute]

Once again nothing happened, I'm not telling you that Armageddon will come because I have no idea about what is going to happen. But you are being silly, we are in a status quo and you claim that you weathered something that hasn't happened, you haven't left the EU, you haven't exposed any plan and there is no time frame.

I haven't weathered anything; I'm not British, just an interested spectator.

I think the point I made was clear. Before the vote, Remain supporters talked about the damaging effects on the economy starting the day after the British people voted to leave: for instance, George Osburne declared his intention of introducing an emergency budget to counter the damaging loss of confidence which would immediately follow a leave vote. None of that has happened.

 

[JPRouve]

I haven't weathered anything; I'm not British, just an interested spectator.

I think the point I made was clear. Before the vote, Remain supporters talked about the damaging effects on the economy starting the day after the British people voted to leave: for instance, George Osburne declared his intention of introducing an emergency budget to counter the damaging loss of confidence which would immediately follow a leave vote. None of that has happened.

Oh I understand. From the beginning I thought that it was nonsense, you will only see a change in good or bad when the article 50 is invoked and the real negotiations start, the real actors aren't kneejerks and they were never going to react violently to a referendum.

 

[Stanley Road]

I haven't weathered anything; I'm not British, just an interested spectator.

I think the point I made was clear. Before the vote, Remain supporters talked about the damaging effects on the economy starting the day after the British people voted to leave: for instance, George Osburne declared his intention of introducing an emergency budget to counter the damaging loss of confidence which would immediately follow a leave vote. None of that has happened.

I think that was Osbornes way of either scaremongering or a chance to heap more austerity measures on the unfortunates that did not vote tory.

 

[devilish]

a) The UK is the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world, fact! Why can't you comprehend that? There is nothing arrogant whatsoever about what Theresa May said in light of that.

b) Sorry but the sky was predicted by many to be falling in by now with or without article 50 being activated. Now I think that Brexit will cause economic pain but so far the storm has been weathered.

There are 5 or 6 largest economies ahead. A chunk of rich countries are united under the eu banner. Also youre neither among the biggest markets nor among the most promising ones. Basically most countries think that Brexit is idiotic and that the uk is lead by stupid people who are Stuck in a world that doesn't exist. How the he'll can you become global leaders of anything

As said the vast majority thought that you would activate article 50 immediately. That was one of the many promises being made. Sure as he'll no one believed you would suffer from cold feet

 

[Stanley Road]

More likely they probably got bored and suddenly realised that if anything does happen other than the pound weakening it's going to take several years- if indeed the UK actually does leave at all.
On the other hand some probably think the UK has already left.

Who on earth wants a really strong pound? It's madness and a bit of an obsession for yourself

 

[sun_tzu]

Who on earth wants a really strong pound? It's madness and a bit of an obsession for yourself

Anybody who imports stuff
And as we are a net importer effectively the vast majority of us benefit from a strong pound.. Eg petrol

 

[JPRouve]

Who on earth wants a really strong pound? It's madness and a bit of an obsession for yourself

When you import more than you export, a strong pound is pretty sweet. A "weak" currency is good when you export a lot, like China.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Who on earth wants a really strong pound? It's madness and a bit of an obsession for yourself

No it's not, I actually ordered some furniture from the Uk today and personally benefitted from the weaker pound. From a personal standpoint I have no reliance on the UK whatsoever and whether they fail or succeed is immaterial.

From a UK point of view, the pound being weak is not an advantage as being a net importer the costs will be considerably higher. Unless the Uk has become completely self sufficient in all the materials they need to produce the limited amount of goods they do produce a weaker pound is going to be a disadvantage. And for those Brits venturing outside their borders their expenses will be higher too.

However, it looks as if it will be a long wait before anything happens one way or another, if at all

 

[Stanley Road]

No it's not, I actually ordered some furniture from the Uk today and personally benefitted from the weaker pound. From a personal standpoint I have no reliance on the UK whatsoever and whether they fail or succeed is immaterial.

From a UK point of view, the pound being weak is not an advantage as being a net importer the costs will be considerably higher. Unless the Uk has become completely self sufficient in all the materials they need to produce the limited amount of goods they do produce a weaker pound is going to be a disadvantage. And for those Brits venturing outside their borders their expenses will be higher too.

However, it looks as if it will be a long wait before anything happens one way or another, if at all

as I have said before, I remember 1.05. it recovered

 

[PedroMendez]

A preemptive action, I guess.

aggregates in economies always change slowly. If you follow the press, you can see that actually quite a bit changed already. Obviously no company just fired their employees, but some investment is on halt and the outlook is fairly negative. Carney fired the first round of his bazooka, because else the outlook would be even worse. Considering that the bank of England struggles to find enough bonds to purchase, he´ll need to find new ammunition, if he wants to react to any future shock.
Now it is important to understand what "bad" means. Losing 5-10% GDP growth over the next decade would be pretty bad and this is currently absolutely possible. Britain will continue to be one of the richest country of the world, but that was never in doubt. Considering that nothing substantial happened in the political realm, the economy is flapping quite a bit. I have rarely seen the people in business and finance to be more uncertain and anxious about the next few years. That is never a good sign.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

as I have said before, I remember 1.05. it recovered

It did indeed, but the UK didn't leave the EU then , will it recover from below parity if it leaves the EU this is the question

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

Posters on this forum have never had a right to courtesy and respect, particularly mine and particularly in the CE forum. I've always said it as I see it without hiding feelings and if my comments hurt because of the opinions you hold then I'd take a look at your own opinions first or come back with a decent counter argument. I've not called out specific posters for criticism but have responded to posts I disagree with to make my counterpoint, if you find that yours was one of those posts then all that means is that we have differing opinions. If I make a comment like "This really is an island of petty minded, vicious little bigots isn't it." then it is my opinion on observation of the state of our nation, believe me, if I thought there was incontrovertible that you were the vicious minded little bigot in question I'd not be beating about the bush.

Bill, I know how you claim to have voted and will take your word for it but the majority of your posts in this thread follow the Farage and Mail line and that's a road so congested with vitriol and intolerance that I have to chuckle when you cry victim over a few words on an internet forum. Nick, you've probably been the sole Brexit voice on here that has not followed that path and wherever possible I have attempted to debate your financial and political critique of the EU but occasionally you might get a lick from the edge of the broad brush you need to cover this whole discussion.

As for tolerance, I can't, don't and won't ever tolerate racism and xenophobia. From physical clashes with NF and BNP thugs on the streets in the 80s through to cutting off large chunks of my own family for their archaic views including not speaking to my own sister for 3 years, I'll confront the most vile trait of humanity as and where I see it. If that makes you feel a little itchy then maybe you should stop lying down with dogs.




So mine's a despicable post full of far-left bullshit but I shouldn't be allowed to call somebody who has views on who we "want to get rid of" out as sounding a bit like someone with a final solution.

All this scratching is making me itch.

I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not but you could go on the referendum thread where I posted my vote on the day. I hadn't realised we had even appointed the internet warriors with special responsibility for uncovering secret racists Brexit voters. My mistake.


The problem with this thread is that every detail of negative news post Brexit is seen as backing for remain voters beliefs. While similar items showing the opposite are trashed as nonsense. Just in case anyone was interested in using the thread title not as an instruction to fall out with each other but to keep up with events I thought I might hint that there is another way of looking at things if people have a mind to.

If you want an example look at the weight given to the various confidence surveys when they showed a fall in confidence and compare it to the weight the recovery of those indicators receives in this thread.

And as Merkel's home state votes AFD into second place above her party while its leader has called for migrants to be shot at the border no comment, nor the marching in France against the migrant camps.

I loathe Farage and have voted Labour in every election (might not the next one because of JC) and I get my news mainly from the BBC.

You seem to want to be having an argument with someone though so get on with it.

I'm not crying at anything you post because I love a good meltdown and the state of some of posts on here from as it happens remain voters is side splittingly funny.

 

[JPRouve]

aggregates in economies always change slowly. If you follow the press, you can see that actually quite a bit changed already. Obviously no company just fired their employees, but some investment is on halt and the outlook is fairly negative. Carney fired the first round of his bazooka, because else the outlook would be even worse. Considering that the bank of England struggles to find enough bonds to purchase, he´ll need to find new ammunition, if he wants to react to any future shock.
Now it is important to understand what "bad" means. Losing 5-10% GDP growth over the next decade would be pretty bad and this is currently absolutely possible. Britain will continue to be one of the richest country of the world, but that was never in doubt. Considering that nothing substantial happened in the political realm, the economy is flapping quite a bit. I have rarely seen the people in business and finance to be more uncertain and anxious about the next few years. That is never a good sign.

I can't disagree with what you are saying, but that's nothing, like you suggested the real reactions are to come. The uncertainty isn't good and creates some minor hiccups, but depending on how the brexit is handled the fabled monsoon (I don't see an actual storm) could happen.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

There are 5 or 6 largest economies ahead. A chunk of rich countries are united under the eu banner. Also youre neither among the biggest markets nor among the most promising ones. Basically most countries think that Brexit is idiotic and that the uk is lead by stupid people who are Stuck in a world that doesn't exist. How the he'll can you become global leaders of anything

As said the vast majority thought that you would activate article 50 immediately. That was one of the many promises being made. Sure as he'll no one believed you would suffer from cold feet

If you like it or not there is nothing wrong with a country the economic size of the UK stating that it wants to be a global leader in anything. There is nothing arrogant or imperialist about it. Sorry to disappoint you.

Any politician with half a brain knew that article 50 would not be activated immediately. IIRC correctly Carswell tweeted to that effect immediately after the vote. Again, like it or not, the initial storm has been weathered. That is not to say that hard times are not ahead.

 

[Stanley Road]

It did indeed, but the UK didn't leave the EU then , will it recover from below parity if it leaves the EU this is the question

No it reached 1.05 from within

 

[Paul the Wolf]

No it reached 1.05 from within

Yes I know but that may seem quite a high level in the future

 

[devilish]

If you like it or not there is nothing wrong with a country the economic size of the UK stating that it wants to be a global leader in anything. There is nothing arrogant or imperialist about it. Sorry to disappoint you.

Any politician with half a brain knew that article 50 would not be activated immediately. IIRC correctly Carswell tweeted to that effect immediately after the vote. Again, like it or not, the initial storm has been weathered. That is not to say that hard times are not ahead.

a- there is, because the market is far too small and there's not plenty of room to grow. The future is heading towards unions (USA, EU) or emerging huge markets (China, India). The UK is heading to isolation.
b- well that's not what the Brexiters said, expected and promised. There again I wonder sometimes if some actually wanted article 50 to be evoked or have an idea what Brexit means. Boris looked shocked when Brexit won while Davis seem to learn along the way. Thornberry summarised it perfectly in this quote

“When there is no evidence of sound planning by the government, no detail whatsoever on the deal they want to strike, the strategy for achieving that deal or the reasons for rushing it through, parliament must have more than a say on those issues,” she said. “We must have a vote.”

She accused the prime minister of “literally making up policy on immigration, tax and NHS spending” during a plane journey to the G20 summit in China. “So we know some of the things they are not going to do. No points-based immigration system, no extra money for the NHS, but when will they tell us what they are going to do?”

What a mess

 

[GloryHunter07]

a) The UK is the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world, fact! Why can't you comprehend that? There is nothing arrogant whatsoever about what Theresa May said in light of that.

b) Sorry but the sky was predicted by many to be falling in by now with or without article 50 being activated. Now I think that Brexit will cause economic pain but so far the storm has been weathered.

The storm, if it's coming, hasnt hit yet mate. If big corporations start relocating lots pf jobs will go.

 

[Barca84]

More likely they probably got bored and suddenly realised that if anything does happen other than the pound weakening it's going to take several years- if indeed the UK actually does leave at all.
On the other hand some probably think the UK has already left.

Still phoning in your sneering attitude and your furniture orders from across the Channel I see.

Why would anyone "think the UK has already left"? Is it because you think they're thick?

 

[Stanley Road]

And as Merkel's home state votes AFD into second place above her party while its leader has called for migrants to be shot at the border no comment, nor the marching in France against the migrant camps.

I am so surprised no one mentioned Merkel yet. Another sign people are sick of the norm

 

[Classical Mechanic]

a- there is, because the market is far too small and there's not plenty of room to grow. The future is heading towards unions (USA, EU) or emerging huge markets (China, India). The UK is heading to isolation.
b- well that's not what the Brexiters said, expected and promised.

No there isn't. There is nothing wrong with ambition. For God's sake man, what do you expect the leader of the country to do, start crying in the corner because @devilish @RedCafe thinks the sky is going to fall in for Britain.

You are right though that the emerging superpowers should overtake us but that should happen (remember that they have failed to meet expectations so far) if we are in the EU or not.

The 'isolation' doom mongers are especially annoying, like if you are not in the EU you suddenly become isolationist, it is bollocks frankly. The U.K. will continue to be a multi cultural country trading with the world whatever the case. Some of the Brexiteers might be fooling themselves otherwise but you are both are dead wrong IMO.