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Keith vas... chair of a committee that amongst other things overseas issues regarding prostitution has been caught out paying for two male escorts to visit him.

Congrats labour... you have found a way to keep corbyn out of the news for a day or two
 
Last month, the award-winning chief correspondent of Sky News, Stuart Ramsay, reported on alleged gun-running in Romania. It was a shocking story and received much attention.

The details need not concern us.

Except the details obviously do need concern us.

If Stuart Ramsay did make up his report, as the Romanian's are alleging, and as a result of that wasted police time, as the Romanian's are alleging, then he should stand trial for that, as he would in this country, for that, shouldn't he?

Now the real issue is whether Romania's criminal justice system would provide Ramsay with a fair trial, and thats an interesting issue (and also a pretty key-cornerstone of EU membership), so thats a fairly serious topics worthy of addressing. But instead of addressing it the author tries to tar Romania with the same brush as Poland and the holocaust for some reason and point to the 'award-winning' nature of Ramsay as if it makes it completely implausible that this story has more to it than 'evil foreigners try and imprison brave Brit'.
 
Or could we just throw it out as a load of crap, if it is a load of crap or could we issue an arrest warrant on the Romanian police for wasting UK police time with this arrest warrant.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37251361

What do we think of the Greens and their co-leaders concept?
I voted for them. As did my partner. I think it may work well. Gives Lucas the ability to stay largely focused on Brighton Pav, whilst still being there when needed for media attention.

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My assumption is that Bartley shall largely run the party, because he's a bit of a clever so and so, whilst Lucas will do most of the TV/radio work, as she's a bit good with the media.
 
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Terrible performance from May and one of Corbyn's best. Remarkable how quickly she's gone down a wrong path and persevered but its been the same in any role she's been in.
 
Which topics did Corbyn touch on? I'm reading that he did rather well with his questions on grammar schools, but anything beyond that?


For how long can May get away with not answering questions?

Was that not the case with each of her three predecessors? Typically, prime ministers prefer to air the truth on ground of their own choosing.
 
Which topics did Corbyn touch on? I'm reading that he did rather well with his questions on grammar schools, but anything beyond that?

He stuck to grammar schools and completely mauled her. No doubt commentators will find a way of criticising him for sticking to a topic when normally they criticise him for jumping around.

Was that not the case with each of her three predecessors? Typically, prime ministers prefer to air the truth on ground of their own choosing.

May has significantly less charisma than Cameron though. The pre-written attack lines fall flat and she is doesn't bat away criticisms she knows are correct/factual anywhere near as easily.
 
My cousin works at the Home Office as it happens. And whilst i very much doubt that she agrees with all of May's politics, she was very respectful of the PM's competence and assurance as an administrator of the department. She has a few highly trusted SPADs though, and they might well ruffle some feathers over time.

To this day, however, i remain surprised that she kept Hunt in a job. Of course many political leaders would probably give their right arm for such an eager punching bag.
 
I thought Cameron's jokes were bad. May is atrocious.
 
I thought Cameron's jokes were bad. May is atrocious.
Yep. That knock-knock joke about immigration officers was terrible.
 
I still don't understand the push for Grammar schools, at the time like this, with so many other things Theresa May could focus her government on, and at a time of already significant upheaval in the education sector (have we forgotten the insane administrative burden currently coming from forcing all schools to become academies?). Does she think the whole country is like Kent, or what? No part of the policy, or its timing make sense.
 
I still don't understand the push for Grammar schools, at the time like this, with so many other things Theresa May could focus her government on, and at a time of already significant upheaval in the education sector (have we forgotten the insane administrative burden currently coming from forcing all schools to become academies?). Does she think the whole country is like Kent, or what? No part of the policy, or its timing make sense.
It goes down well with UKIP and older voters. They probably think they can weather the early opposition (and facts) because the public is broadly more supportive than not.
 
I was far more concerned about the total academisation of schools and moves toward dropping PTAs, than grammar schools. But then neither course will solve what i see as the problems besetting our education system.
 
My cousin works at the Home Office as it happens. And whilst i very much doubt that she agrees with all of May's politics, she was very respectful of the PM's competence and assurance as an administrator of the department. She has a few highly trusted SPADs though, and they might well ruffle some feathers over time.

To this day, however, i remain surprised that she kept Hunt in a job. Of course many political leaders would probably give their right arm for such an eager punching bag.

That's the point. He's still the fall guy. If the junior doctors mess continues to drag on, or another one crops up, May can deflect blame onto Hunt and not take much of the flak. She's got no actual interest in putting someone competent in the role yet; just someone to take the blame for the junior doctors stuff,.

I still don't understand the push for Grammar schools, at the time like this, with so many other things Theresa May could focus her government on, and at a time of already significant upheaval in the education sector (have we forgotten the insane administrative burden currently coming from forcing all schools to become academies?). Does she think the whole country is like Kent, or what? No part of the policy, or its timing make sense.

It's a handy deflection away from the fact her entire party doesn't have a clue what their plan is on Europe. They should be taking criticism for that. Heavy criticism, too. But instead the grammar schools stuff is getting a lot of focus instead.
 
It goes down well with UKIP and older voters. They probably think they can weather the early opposition (and facts) because the public is broadly more supportive than not.

YouGov poll out today suggests not
 

Holy feck.

Terrifying that these people just won the most significant vote in recent political history
 
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...with-tory-government-for-25-years-says-farron

If Corbyn is the David Moyes of party leaders, Farron has to be someone like Joe KinNear, The man's turned into a right dislikeable piece of work since the referendum.
Why. I can't fault much of what he said there.

Asked whether he admired Blair, Farron said: “Yes I do. Blair in three chapters – the final chapter is post 9/11, where breathtaking foolishness after foolishness, hubris and something that diminished Britain in the world, cost the lives of thousands of innocent people and misled the country. What he did was unspeakable.

“But let’s look at the first two chapters, where he built an opposition that could beat the Tories. Then when he brought in minimum wage, tax credits, schools, devolution.” He added: “I think being a person who thinks winning elections so you can do good is honourable.”
I can't really argue with that.
 
Why. I can't fault much of what he said there.


I can't really argue with that.

He's become such a cynical, bitter man since the referendum. I had supposed that the Lib Dems associated the former trait with Clegg, and wished to escape that. I also wouldn't say that devolution, the NHS and tax credits have been the clear successes which Farron ascribes then as being.
 
I also wouldn't say that devolution, the NHS and tax credits have been the clear successes which Farron ascribes then as being.
In politics, clear successes are few and far between. I mean, how many can you name from the last 20 years?

If we start naming bailing out banks as our success stories, we're really having a bad time. I'd go with:

- Minimum wage.
- Good Friday
- Right to Buy (Council House) (not in the last 20 years)
- Putting Government Tools online.
Edit - Devolution & European Integration

Any others?

Definitely not: ISAs, help to buy, war on drugs, anti terror laws, any war, ...
 
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New Labour's improvements to/ investments in schools and hospitals were an incredible success.
 
The only thing comparable would be European integration, which we are surely tearing up with every tory footstep forward. Devolution is up there as well. Actually Devolution should be top.
New Labour's improvements to/ investments in schools and hospitals were an incredible success.
Was that under the controversial policy that funding to schools should be increased over time, without destroying the schools themselves?
 
New Labour's improvements to/ investments in schools and hospitals were an incredible success.
Also, did they not start this thing where everything needed to be ranked according to some sort of league table. So instead of focusing on the child/patient, you focus on passing a test / hospital waiting times.
 
New Labour's improvements to/ investments in schools and hospitals were an incredible success.

Not when the investment came in the form of PFI, which is exacerbates a worsening budget crisis. There was also billions of pounds in taxpayers money wasted, be it on botched computerisation schemes or hordes of middle managers. Whilst we did see improvement, it was no blueprint for how health policy should be conducted.

And as i commented in a thread yesterday, the culture surrounding secondary-university education is not a legacy one would wish for at all. Simple attendance figures do not equate to success.
 
In politics, clear successes are few and far between. I mean, how many can you name from the last 20 years?

If we start naming bailing out banks as our success stories, we're really having a bad time. I'd go with:

- Minimum wage.
- Good Friday
- Right to Buy (Council House)
- Putting Government Tools online.
Edit - Devolution & European Integration

Any others?

Definitely not: ISAs, help to buy, war on drugs, anti terror laws, any war, ...
Not so sure. It's a good idea in theory, but the lack of investment in further housing arguably makes it a disastrous policy.
 
Not so sure. It's a good idea in theory, but the lack of investment in further housing arguably makes it a disastrous policy.
I think that's two separate issues. Our politicians do seem to love pushing problems further and further back until they break (housing, energy, trident).

Anyway, Right to Buy was a 80's policy, so shouldn't be in my list
 
I'm fairly certain recent studies into Sure Start found it to have had a tangible positive impact.
 
Given where the United Kingdom now finds itself, on its way out of the EU and with a Scottish independence referendum in recent memory, it is surely a tough claim to say that devolution and European policy was a success.

The settlement of powers across the home nations has rather piecemeal much of the time, and they completely ran away form the idea when it came to England. In part due to self-serving political motives.
 
Given where the United Kingdom now finds itself, on its way out of the EU and with a Scottish independence referendum in recent memory, it is surely a tough claim to say that devolution and European policy was a success.

The settlement of powers across the home nations has rather piecemeal much of the time, and they completely ran away form the idea when it came to England. In part due to self-serving political motives.

It had more to do with English voters overwhelmingly rejecting the idea when first asked leading to the shelving of the plans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_England_devolution_referendums,_2004