blythy said:These protestors. Don't they have jobs to do?
Yes, the gentleman standing next to the EU flag is Palestines new Minister for Water and Enviromental Affairs.
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Yes, the gentleman standing next to the EU flag is Palestines new Minister for Water and Enviromental Affairs.
Okay, I'm a muslim, and I consider myself to be quite religious.
I finally seen the problematic caricatures this afternoon. And I must say it doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would. Yes it's ignorant and stupid, it's definitely wasn't wise, but I really couldn't care less about what some stupid newspaper said about my religion.
It's caricatures, they are not meant to take seriously. It won't make anyone with a right mind to actually believe that muslims equals terrorists or other things that they put in there. If it's in a more serious media than that, then I might've been think differently, since it may incite religious hatred. But it's not.
Another point is, since we muslims are actually prohibited to draw prophet Muhammad (pbuh) face, we never really know what he looks like, so I really can't seriously relate to those caricatures intention to depict him.
IMO, this is probably just some cheap publicity stunt by the newspaper. Print out something controversial, then you'll get to know around the world.
I think with the newspaper already issuing an apology, that should be the end of it.
On a related subject, anyone remembers one of South Park episodes where there are a 'Super Friends' team but consist of religious icons, which I think also includes prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Does it cause much problems back then?
I finally seen the problematic caricatures this afternoon. And I must say it doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would. Yes it's ignorant and stupid, it's definitely wasn't wise, but I really couldn't care less about what some stupid newspaper said about my religion.
It's caricatures, they are not meant to take seriously. It won't make anyone with a right mind to actually believe that muslims equals terrorists or other things that they put in there. If it's in a more serious media than that, then I might've been think differently, since it may incite religious hatred. But it's not.
Another point is, since we muslims are actually prohibited to draw prophet Muhammad (pbuh) face, we never really know what he looks like, so I really can't seriously relate to those caricatures intention to depict him.
IMO, this is probably just some cheap publicity stunt by the newspaper. Print out something controversial, then you'll get to know around the world.
I think with the newspaper already issuing an apology, that should be the end of it.
On a related subject, anyone remembers one of South Park episodes where there are a 'Super Friends' team but consist of religious icons, which I think also includes prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Does it cause much problems back then?
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Muslims and Christian stood side by side and protested "Jerry Springer on theatre" a play which was blashpemous.
Point is Jesus (peace be upon him) is a prophet and muslim would not tolerate blasphemy against him.
xmenn said:
Jeezus H. Christ.
Really? His name is taken in vain every day.
Just like that.
Fearless said:
Is he off 'sick', or do extremists get ''protesting days''?
utdalltheway said:
You consider this to turn the other cheek:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (Luke 22:36)
xmenn said:
doesn't look like it now, does it. but I'd have to read more than this to get the flavour of it.
thing is, the majority of Christs teachings preach to peace and love. now if you don't see that then....
Last Updated: Friday, 3 February 2006, 13:15 GMT. BBC.
Straw condemns cartoon row press
Some of the cartoons depict the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist
Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has condemned the decision by some European newspapers to reproduce cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad as "disrespectful".
But he praised the UK media for its "considerable responsibility and sensitivity" for not publishing them.
He said freedom of speech did not mean an "open season" on religious taboos.
British Muslims are preparing to protest outside the Danish embassy in London, after the cartoons first appeared in a Danish newspaper.
Among the images which have sparked outcry is one of Muhammad with a turban-shaped bomb on his head.
They have sparked protests across the Middle East.
On Thursday night a protest was held outside the BBC's Television Centre, after the corporation aired "glimpses" of the images, which it said it used "responsibly".
The editor of the Danish paper which first carried them has apologised, but newspapers in Spain, Italy, Germany and France have reprinted the material in a show of support.
'Religious taboos'
Speaking after talks with the Sudanese foreign minister, Mr Straw said: "There is freedom of speech, we all respect that.
"But there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory.
We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation
Jack Straw
"I believe that the republication of these cartoons has been insulting, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong.
"There are taboos in every religion. It is not the case that there is open season in respect of all aspects of Christian rites and rituals in the name of free speech.
"Nor is it the case that there is open season in respect of rights and rituals of the Jewish religion, the Hindu religion, the Sikh religion.
"It should not be the case in respect of the Islamic religion either.
"We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation."
'Question of judgement'
UK Muslims have denied that the reaction to the cartoons' reproduction has been a threat to freedom of speech.
It was a "question of exercising good judgement", said Inayat Bunglawala, from the Muslim Council of Britain.
This situation is ripe for exploitation by extremists
Inayat Bunglawala, MCB
Mr Bunglawala told the BBC that any kind of cartoon that was derogatory to a race or group in a stereotypical way was "unacceptable".
"Of course Europe has the right to freedom of speech, and of course newspapers have the right to publish offensive cartoons. This was really a question about exercising good judgment," he said.
"Knowing full well the nature of these cartoons, they were offensive, deeply offensive to millions of Muslims, these newspaper editors should have exercised better judgment.
"Instead they have created a storm. This situation is ripe for exploitation by extremists.
"There is already a lot of tension between the Muslim world and Europe due to the war in Iraq and the current threat against Iran. It all comes at a very difficult time."
It's a fair statement in my opinion, on a side note there has been absolutely no visible signs of any protest or action in the UK. The mosques did not even mention the controversy in their Friday sermons.
Straw condemns cartoon row press
Some of the cartoons depict the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist
Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has condemned the decision by some European newspapers to reproduce cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad as "disrespectful".
But he praised the UK media for its "considerable responsibility and sensitivity" for not publishing them.
He said freedom of speech did not mean an "open season" on religious taboos.
British Muslims are preparing to protest outside the Danish embassy in London, after the cartoons first appeared in a Danish newspaper.
Among the images which have sparked outcry is one of Muhammad with a turban-shaped bomb on his head.
They have sparked protests across the Middle East.
On Thursday night a protest was held outside the BBC's Television Centre, after the corporation aired "glimpses" of the images, which it said it used "responsibly".
The editor of the Danish paper which first carried them has apologised, but newspapers in Spain, Italy, Germany and France have reprinted the material in a show of support.
'Religious taboos'
Speaking after talks with the Sudanese foreign minister, Mr Straw said: "There is freedom of speech, we all respect that.
"But there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory.
We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation
Jack Straw
"I believe that the republication of these cartoons has been insulting, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong.
"There are taboos in every religion. It is not the case that there is open season in respect of all aspects of Christian rites and rituals in the name of free speech.
"Nor is it the case that there is open season in respect of rights and rituals of the Jewish religion, the Hindu religion, the Sikh religion.
"It should not be the case in respect of the Islamic religion either.
"We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation."
'Question of judgement'
UK Muslims have denied that the reaction to the cartoons' reproduction has been a threat to freedom of speech.
It was a "question of exercising good judgement", said Inayat Bunglawala, from the Muslim Council of Britain.
This situation is ripe for exploitation by extremists
Inayat Bunglawala, MCB
Mr Bunglawala told the BBC that any kind of cartoon that was derogatory to a race or group in a stereotypical way was "unacceptable".
"Of course Europe has the right to freedom of speech, and of course newspapers have the right to publish offensive cartoons. This was really a question about exercising good judgment," he said.
"Knowing full well the nature of these cartoons, they were offensive, deeply offensive to millions of Muslims, these newspaper editors should have exercised better judgment.
"Instead they have created a storm. This situation is ripe for exploitation by extremists.
"There is already a lot of tension between the Muslim world and Europe due to the war in Iraq and the current threat against Iran. It all comes at a very difficult time."
It's a fair statement in my opinion, on a side note there has been absolutely no visible signs of any protest or action in the UK. The mosques did not even mention the controversy in their Friday sermons.
xmenn said:
I would say practicing Christians are very compassionate and giving, a reference is made to that effect in the Quran...it would be easy to pick out random quotes from any religious literature and show them in bad light.
Sultan said:
little bit of emphasis there for ya.
Agree.....and the same respect and understanding should be given to muslims and their beliefs
xmenn said:
By the same token, the same respect and understanding should be given to the non-Muslim world by the way the protests have been expressed.
Guns, violence, fatwahs and boycotts is hardly diplomatic, and further undermines whats left of West / Muslim relations.
Sultan said:
This is the effect that I don't like Sultan.
Before all this, the newspaper was as significant as the transfer forum for the sane people. But by giving them all this attention in this debacle, we as muslims make them more important than they supposed to be.
They're not even particularly funny cartoons, the bomb / turban thing was amusing, would look good on a BNP flier. The rest were crap though, must be the Danish sense of humour or something.
These fanatics are worse than scousers at feeling hard done to. For fecks sake, some shite Danish paper published some crap cartoons about your god, is that really something to get so irate about? Silly people.
These fanatics are worse than scousers at feeling hard done to. For fecks sake, some shite Danish paper published some crap cartoons about your god, is that really something to get so irate about? Silly people.
KaiserSoze666 said:
The cartoons were of the Prophet, not the God of the Muslims--substantial difference, but one which, you'd think, might lessen the allegedly blasphemous nature although that hasn't, apparently, affected the reaction.
If the cartoons were all that bad and that accessible to the public, wouldn't this reaction have come sometime before now--since they were published in September of last year? Over 4 months is an eternity in this age of instant information.
reelworld said:
I see where you are coming from, similar thing happened in the Rushdie debacle...all the same it's really hard to harmonise the feelings of nearly 1.5 Billion people of different backgrounds, cultures and educational abilities.
As I said it's been a non event in the UK...what's been the reaction in the USA anyone?
FresnoBob said:
Just a thought Bob...I am pretty sure there would have been no reaction from any Muslim country had God been blasphemed...
I wonder what other Muslim posters think ?
Sultan said:
Really? Admittedly God can take care of himself when it comes to blasphemers.
Sultan said:
not much yet. I think people became aware of it only in the last few days. media outlets here are not printing the cartoons at all, though they are available online.
FresnoBob said:Really? Admittedly God can take care of himself when it comes to blasphemers.
Exactly.
What has really disturbed the Muslims is the generalisation of having them all camped in amongst the terrorists in the caricatures, taken positively this is a slap in the face from Muslims to the terrorists, if you catch my drift.
The over reaction to these cartoons is insane, if anything was ripe for ridiculing it's religion, all religions, it's laughable notions and rituals.
Anbody who thinks about something like the idea of an immaculate conception and can't see how funny it is needs a humour transplant.
Wahey for Fr Ted, The Life of Brian and so on!!!!
Anbody who thinks about something like the idea of an immaculate conception and can't see how funny it is needs a humour transplant.
Wahey for Fr Ted, The Life of Brian and so on!!!!
I didn't read it like that at all. I thought the idea was that the cartoonists were presenting what they thought of different religious figures, and its hard not to link Muhammad with terrorism when you are presented with terrorist Muslim fanatics in the papers everyday. Its a shame people have to take things so seriously. Silly sods.Sultan said:
There's an argument that Mohammed Ali is being disrespectful to Islam by being called Mohammed, but having Parkinson's disease
In protest, I'm going to Foreman for all my barbecue paraphernalia needs from now on
In protest, I'm going to Foreman for all my barbecue paraphernalia needs from now on
Plechazunga said:
Did he not belong to the 'nation of Islam' a heretic group which that loon Louis Farakand (spelling) was the leader ?
Yes
Why are they heretics?
I once sat next to one on the bus and I happened to be reading The Satanic Verses...it was English coursework
I put that fecker away sharpish I can tell you.
Why are they heretics?
I once sat next to one on the bus and I happened to be reading The Satanic Verses...it was English coursework
I put that fecker away sharpish I can tell you.
Actually it can't've been coursework...they would never have got away with setting it
Brilliant book mind, and not anti-Muslim
Brilliant book mind, and not anti-Muslim
Fearless said:
Things would not got out of hands if that respect and understanding would have been apparent before those pictures had been released.
Muslims acting on muslim beliefs express their feelings peacefully.
Plechazunga said:
They claim some called Elijah to be a Messiah...(longish story)
They are big mind...Sultan said:
Really? There's an Elijah who was a Hebrew prophet as well...at Passover he's meant to come round everyone's house, you leave the door open for him, which seems silly - if he can visit several million people's houses at the same time, he can surely deal with a locked door.
Also, you have to leave a glass of wine out for him, it's a massive great goblet and I always scoff it when no-one's looking
they're scary feckers
Interesting article:
Bashy Quraishy is the President of the European Network Against Racism (ENAR), Belgium, and a member of the EU Commission’s High Level Group on Integration,Belgium.
This development raises another fundamental question. Is nothing except the freedom of expression sacred? The answer can be found in the sad and dangerous situation created by the largest daily newspaper, Jyllands Posten. It went one step further when it instigated the commissioning of cartoons of Prophet Muhammad to test the limits of the freedom of expression. The result was that 12 well-known artists drew very insulting sketches of the Prophet, which the newspaper published on September 30, 2005.
Fortunately, contrary to some people's expectations, the Muslim communities in Denmark peacefully protested against this uncalled-for provocation. When I saw these caricatures, I felt hurt, angry, and at a loss to understand Jyllands Posten's intentions. Many ambassadors from Muslim countries also felt this way and requested a meeting with Prime Minster Anders Fogh Rasmussen. Their goal was not to discuss the issue of the freedom of expression with him, but rather to explain to him how they felt about the issue. The response of the Danish authorities and the media was an arrogant defense of the newspaper and its right to insult whomever it pleases. Muslim communities were politely told to shut up and to accept the treatment they were given.
International media has also taken notice of the Danish Islamophobic atmosphere. Besides the huge outcry in the Arab and other Muslim countries, members of the media all over the world are criticizing Denmark. The latest to join this endless line of criticism are the International Herald Tribune (31 Dec 2005), The Economist (7 Jan 2005), New York Times (8 Jan 2006), and the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet (17 Jan 2006).
The Danish government's response has been its same old mantra: "The surrounding world does not understand us. We are democratic and want to protect our freedom of speech."
I wish to say to those who have a desire to use, or who have used in their comments, uncivilized language about the Qur'an, the Prophet Muhammad, Islam, or other religions, "Please use your logic and don't be ignorant. By abusing Islam, you are not serving the purpose of a dialogue between different communities in Denmark or the Western world."
There is a big difference between criticism of Muslims, Islamic practices, and even the religion of Islam, and publishing insulting cartoons of the Prophet which portray him as a terrorist and an oppressor of women. Because the Prophet is not around to give his reaction (although I am sure he would have forgiven Jyllands Posten), the duty falls upon his followers to react. It is very logical. They have a right to react in a peaceful manner, which they did. Some 1.4 billion Muslims love and respect their Prophet Muhammad as much, and if not more, than Denmark values the freedom of expression.
While talking about the freedom of expression, it must be remembered that it has never been unlimited or unrestricted, nor was it intended to give a license to the media to insult, degrade, and make fun of others. It is governed by the law and should be practiced with responsibility. The freedom of expression was created basically to protect the average person in the street who might wish to raise his or her voice against the power elite. Article 29 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights clearly states that too.
In any democratic society, it is the duty of the state to safeguard the rights of its minorities, be they ethnic or religious minorities. Here Denmark is failing. Of course, Jyllands Posten can print whatever it likes, but accordingly, Muslims should be able to drag the publication to the courts. But for those of you who do not know the Danish Courts, it is next to impossible to win a case of such nature.
The Danish system values the freedom of speech over the religious or ethnic rights of Muslims. On the other hand, if a cartoonist made fun of the Dalai Lama or the Holocaust, praised Hitler, or attacked the gay community, he or she would be dealt with by the Danish authorities and the legal system in a quick manner. And I would be very happy when such persons are dealt with and punished. By focusing on and attacking only Islam, the Danish media has proven its enmity towards Muslims, which is historically based.
There are other examples in Denmark, such as when an artist drew a dirty painting of a naked Jesus and it was taken away immediately, and rightly so. Denmark has laws against blasphemy that protect the honor of the regent and private citizens. Law 266b forbids insulting racial and degrading public remarks and propaganda against a group of persons on the basis of their religion.
In Denmark, the media also exercises self-censorship. For example, even if Jyllands Posten had the information, it would never write about a minister being a victim of depression or about a minister who wears ladies' clothes and has a male lover, or an ex-minister who used to regularly beat up his wife. Now, when Jyllands Posten does show restraint in such private issues, what purpose did it serve by intentionally provoking the Muslim communities? By the way, the very same Jyllands Posten that claims to champion the freedom of expression for artists, has for years refused my articles. Some of my articles were written in response to attacks on my person. I had to threaten the paper with a "right to reply" lawsuit before I succeeded in getting only one response published in the paper. I also know many other individuals whose articles were rejected because they had criticized a particular publication.
So much for the freedom of expression.
I propose that we all step back and ask ourselves, did this cartoon series help the integration of minorities, did it make radicals more mature, did it give the ignorant Danes more knowledge of Islam, or did it bring people together? If the answer is yes, then I welcome these cartoons. If the answer is no, then we should ask ourselves whose political agenda did this provocation serve.
Bashy Quraishy is the President of the European Network Against Racism (ENAR), Belgium, and a member of the EU Commission’s High Level Group on Integration,Belgium.
This development raises another fundamental question. Is nothing except the freedom of expression sacred? The answer can be found in the sad and dangerous situation created by the largest daily newspaper, Jyllands Posten. It went one step further when it instigated the commissioning of cartoons of Prophet Muhammad to test the limits of the freedom of expression. The result was that 12 well-known artists drew very insulting sketches of the Prophet, which the newspaper published on September 30, 2005.
Fortunately, contrary to some people's expectations, the Muslim communities in Denmark peacefully protested against this uncalled-for provocation. When I saw these caricatures, I felt hurt, angry, and at a loss to understand Jyllands Posten's intentions. Many ambassadors from Muslim countries also felt this way and requested a meeting with Prime Minster Anders Fogh Rasmussen. Their goal was not to discuss the issue of the freedom of expression with him, but rather to explain to him how they felt about the issue. The response of the Danish authorities and the media was an arrogant defense of the newspaper and its right to insult whomever it pleases. Muslim communities were politely told to shut up and to accept the treatment they were given.
International media has also taken notice of the Danish Islamophobic atmosphere. Besides the huge outcry in the Arab and other Muslim countries, members of the media all over the world are criticizing Denmark. The latest to join this endless line of criticism are the International Herald Tribune (31 Dec 2005), The Economist (7 Jan 2005), New York Times (8 Jan 2006), and the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet (17 Jan 2006).
The Danish government's response has been its same old mantra: "The surrounding world does not understand us. We are democratic and want to protect our freedom of speech."
I wish to say to those who have a desire to use, or who have used in their comments, uncivilized language about the Qur'an, the Prophet Muhammad, Islam, or other religions, "Please use your logic and don't be ignorant. By abusing Islam, you are not serving the purpose of a dialogue between different communities in Denmark or the Western world."
There is a big difference between criticism of Muslims, Islamic practices, and even the religion of Islam, and publishing insulting cartoons of the Prophet which portray him as a terrorist and an oppressor of women. Because the Prophet is not around to give his reaction (although I am sure he would have forgiven Jyllands Posten), the duty falls upon his followers to react. It is very logical. They have a right to react in a peaceful manner, which they did. Some 1.4 billion Muslims love and respect their Prophet Muhammad as much, and if not more, than Denmark values the freedom of expression.
While talking about the freedom of expression, it must be remembered that it has never been unlimited or unrestricted, nor was it intended to give a license to the media to insult, degrade, and make fun of others. It is governed by the law and should be practiced with responsibility. The freedom of expression was created basically to protect the average person in the street who might wish to raise his or her voice against the power elite. Article 29 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights clearly states that too.
In any democratic society, it is the duty of the state to safeguard the rights of its minorities, be they ethnic or religious minorities. Here Denmark is failing. Of course, Jyllands Posten can print whatever it likes, but accordingly, Muslims should be able to drag the publication to the courts. But for those of you who do not know the Danish Courts, it is next to impossible to win a case of such nature.
The Danish system values the freedom of speech over the religious or ethnic rights of Muslims. On the other hand, if a cartoonist made fun of the Dalai Lama or the Holocaust, praised Hitler, or attacked the gay community, he or she would be dealt with by the Danish authorities and the legal system in a quick manner. And I would be very happy when such persons are dealt with and punished. By focusing on and attacking only Islam, the Danish media has proven its enmity towards Muslims, which is historically based.
There are other examples in Denmark, such as when an artist drew a dirty painting of a naked Jesus and it was taken away immediately, and rightly so. Denmark has laws against blasphemy that protect the honor of the regent and private citizens. Law 266b forbids insulting racial and degrading public remarks and propaganda against a group of persons on the basis of their religion.
In Denmark, the media also exercises self-censorship. For example, even if Jyllands Posten had the information, it would never write about a minister being a victim of depression or about a minister who wears ladies' clothes and has a male lover, or an ex-minister who used to regularly beat up his wife. Now, when Jyllands Posten does show restraint in such private issues, what purpose did it serve by intentionally provoking the Muslim communities? By the way, the very same Jyllands Posten that claims to champion the freedom of expression for artists, has for years refused my articles. Some of my articles were written in response to attacks on my person. I had to threaten the paper with a "right to reply" lawsuit before I succeeded in getting only one response published in the paper. I also know many other individuals whose articles were rejected because they had criticized a particular publication.
So much for the freedom of expression.
I propose that we all step back and ask ourselves, did this cartoon series help the integration of minorities, did it make radicals more mature, did it give the ignorant Danes more knowledge of Islam, or did it bring people together? If the answer is yes, then I welcome these cartoons. If the answer is no, then we should ask ourselves whose political agenda did this provocation serve.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/03/cartoon.wrap.reut/index.html
Muslim anger on cartoons spreads
No apology over Mohammad images, says Denmark
Friday, February 3, 2006; Posted: 11:30 a.m. EST (16:30 GMT)
PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Denmark said on Friday it could not apologize for cartoons in a Danish newspaper depicting the Prophet Mohammad as outrage spread across the Muslim world from the Middle East to countries in Asia.
More European newspapers published the cartoons on Friday, arguing freedom of speech was sacred, but angry Muslims staged violent protests against jokes they consider blasphemous.
Depicting the picture of the prophet is prohibited under Sharia law.
"Neither the Danish government nor the Danish nation as such can be held responsible for drawings published in a Danish newspaper," Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said after meeting with Muslim envoys in Copenhagen.
"A Danish government can never apologize on behalf of a free and independent newspaper," he said. "This is basically a dispute between some Muslims and a newspaper."
Up to 300 hardline Islamic activists in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, went on a rampage in the lobby of a building housing the Danish embassy in Jakarta.
Shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest), they smashed lamps with bamboo sticks, threw chairs, lobbed rotten eggs and tomatoes and tore up a Danish flag. No one was hurt.
In the West Bank city of Ramallah, hundreds of Palestinians attended a Hamas-organized rally, tearing up a French flag and holding up banners reading: "The assault on the Prophet is an assault on Islam".
The drawings, first published in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten, have sparked international fury and a debate on the clash between freedom of speech and respect for religion.
Mona Omar Attia, Egypt's ambassador to Denmark, said after a meeting with Rasmussen that she was satisfied with the position of the Danish government but noted the prime minister had said he could not interfere with the press.
"This means the whole story will continue and that we are back to square one again. The government of Denmark has to do something to appease the Muslim world," Attia said.
Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman Yuri Thamrin said the dispute was not just between Jakarta and Copenhagen.
"It involves the whole Islamic world vis-a-vis Denmark and vis-a-vis the trend of Islamophobia," he said.
Pakistan's parliament on Friday passed a resolution condemning the cartoons as "blasphemous and derogatory".
Some Muslims consider any images of Mohammad to be blasphemous. Among the Danish drawings, one depicted him in a turban resembling a bomb.
"This vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign cannot be justified in the name of freedom of expression or of the press," the Senate resolution said.
Danish companies have reported sales falling in the Middle East after protests in the Arab world and calls for boycotts.
Palestinian gunmen seized and later released a German on Thursday, and a hand grenade was thrown into the compound of the French Cultural Centre in the Gaza Strip.
France 'shocked'
French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy condemned the protests in a television interview.
"I am totally shocked and find it unacceptable that -- because there have been caricatures in the West -- extremists can burn flags or take fundamentalist or extremist positions which would prove the cartoonists right," he said.
Rasmussen said he hoped the situation would improve soon.
"If the protests escalate further, it may have unpredictable repercussions in all the countries affected and then the problem could grow into a more global one, and I think it's in our mutual interest to find a solution to that," he said.
The editor of a Norwegian magazine which reprinted the Danish cartoons said he had received 25 death threats and thousands of hate messages.
A Jordanian editor was sacked for reprinting them, despite saying his purpose had been only to show the extent of the Danish insult to Islam. "Oh I ask God to forgive me," Jihad Momani wrote in a public letter of apology.
Iraqi Christians said they feared a new wave of attacks by Muslims, driven by anger over the images.
Values 'in conflict'
European newspapers said publishing the cartoons was an expression of media freedom.
"Liberation defends the freedom of expression," French daily Liberation said in a headline introducing two of the cartoons.
Belgian newspaper De Standaard reproduced the pictures along with letters from readers in favor of publication.
"Two values are in conflict here. One is respect for religion and the other is freedom of speech," Editor-in-Chief Peter Vandermeersch told Reuters.
British newspapers have so far refused to publish the cartoons, earning them praise from Foreign Minister Jack Straw.
"I believe the republication of these cartoons has been unnecessary, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong," he said.
"I place on record my regard for the British media, which has shown considerable responsibility and sensitivity."
Muslim anger on cartoons spreads
No apology over Mohammad images, says Denmark
Friday, February 3, 2006; Posted: 11:30 a.m. EST (16:30 GMT)
PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Denmark said on Friday it could not apologize for cartoons in a Danish newspaper depicting the Prophet Mohammad as outrage spread across the Muslim world from the Middle East to countries in Asia.
More European newspapers published the cartoons on Friday, arguing freedom of speech was sacred, but angry Muslims staged violent protests against jokes they consider blasphemous.
Depicting the picture of the prophet is prohibited under Sharia law.
"Neither the Danish government nor the Danish nation as such can be held responsible for drawings published in a Danish newspaper," Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said after meeting with Muslim envoys in Copenhagen.
"A Danish government can never apologize on behalf of a free and independent newspaper," he said. "This is basically a dispute between some Muslims and a newspaper."
Up to 300 hardline Islamic activists in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, went on a rampage in the lobby of a building housing the Danish embassy in Jakarta.
Shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest), they smashed lamps with bamboo sticks, threw chairs, lobbed rotten eggs and tomatoes and tore up a Danish flag. No one was hurt.
In the West Bank city of Ramallah, hundreds of Palestinians attended a Hamas-organized rally, tearing up a French flag and holding up banners reading: "The assault on the Prophet is an assault on Islam".
The drawings, first published in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten, have sparked international fury and a debate on the clash between freedom of speech and respect for religion.
Mona Omar Attia, Egypt's ambassador to Denmark, said after a meeting with Rasmussen that she was satisfied with the position of the Danish government but noted the prime minister had said he could not interfere with the press.
"This means the whole story will continue and that we are back to square one again. The government of Denmark has to do something to appease the Muslim world," Attia said.
Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman Yuri Thamrin said the dispute was not just between Jakarta and Copenhagen.
"It involves the whole Islamic world vis-a-vis Denmark and vis-a-vis the trend of Islamophobia," he said.
Pakistan's parliament on Friday passed a resolution condemning the cartoons as "blasphemous and derogatory".
Some Muslims consider any images of Mohammad to be blasphemous. Among the Danish drawings, one depicted him in a turban resembling a bomb.
"This vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign cannot be justified in the name of freedom of expression or of the press," the Senate resolution said.
Danish companies have reported sales falling in the Middle East after protests in the Arab world and calls for boycotts.
Palestinian gunmen seized and later released a German on Thursday, and a hand grenade was thrown into the compound of the French Cultural Centre in the Gaza Strip.
France 'shocked'
French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy condemned the protests in a television interview.
"I am totally shocked and find it unacceptable that -- because there have been caricatures in the West -- extremists can burn flags or take fundamentalist or extremist positions which would prove the cartoonists right," he said.
Rasmussen said he hoped the situation would improve soon.
"If the protests escalate further, it may have unpredictable repercussions in all the countries affected and then the problem could grow into a more global one, and I think it's in our mutual interest to find a solution to that," he said.
The editor of a Norwegian magazine which reprinted the Danish cartoons said he had received 25 death threats and thousands of hate messages.
A Jordanian editor was sacked for reprinting them, despite saying his purpose had been only to show the extent of the Danish insult to Islam. "Oh I ask God to forgive me," Jihad Momani wrote in a public letter of apology.
Iraqi Christians said they feared a new wave of attacks by Muslims, driven by anger over the images.
Values 'in conflict'
European newspapers said publishing the cartoons was an expression of media freedom.
"Liberation defends the freedom of expression," French daily Liberation said in a headline introducing two of the cartoons.
Belgian newspaper De Standaard reproduced the pictures along with letters from readers in favor of publication.
"Two values are in conflict here. One is respect for religion and the other is freedom of speech," Editor-in-Chief Peter Vandermeersch told Reuters.
British newspapers have so far refused to publish the cartoons, earning them praise from Foreign Minister Jack Straw.
"I believe the republication of these cartoons has been unnecessary, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong," he said.
"I place on record my regard for the British media, which has shown considerable responsibility and sensitivity."
xmenn said:
rubbish.
Sultan said:
the funny-looking one from lord of the rings?
xmenn said:
Great article...
xmenn said:Interesting article:
Bashy Quraishy is the President of the European Network Against Racism (ENAR), Belgium, and a member of the EU Commission’s High Level Group on Integration,Belgium.
Muslim communities were politely told to shut up and to accept the treatment they were given.
if that's their take on it then I'm not surprised that they're all pissed off.
I propose that we all step back and ask ourselves, did this cartoon series help the integration of minorities, did it make radicals more mature, did it give the ignorant Danes more knowledge of Islam, or did it bring people together? If the answer is yes, then I welcome these cartoons. If the answer is no, then we should ask ourselves whose political agenda did this provocation serve.[/COLOR]
so the cartoons are ok if the muslims feel that they're ok
Kevrockcity said:
Sultan said:
it's clearly rubbish, sultan. after 10 pages in this thread, you should be able to see the numerous factual inaccuracies and argumentative errors in this article. if you can't, then you don't want to see them.
Kevrockcity said:
Fecking hell...civilisation's gonna go up in smoke, basically because human beings can't help being such spastics
Plechazunga said:
There's a lot of truth in that