Kevrockcity said:
An O'Railly poll showed that over 70% people who responded supported the boycott. Wasn't there also legislation passed in Alabama for boycotting Aruba or am I mixing this up with something else?
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An O'Railly poll showed that over 70% people who responded supported the boycott. Wasn't there also legislation passed in Alabama for boycotting Aruba or am I mixing this up with something else?
Denmark produces lots of bacon. That's sure to piss off Muslims too.
Grinner said:
and carlsberg.
Nistelrooy10 said:
you a probably referring to a poll done in alabama (where the misisng girl was from) where 70% or so supported a boycott in repsonse to the way the aruban authorities had handled the case (not, for example, how an aruban newspaper had covered it).
there was no legislation. you are mixing it up with something else.
i think you should just leave this aruba analogy alone - it is only demonstrating the most backward trailer-parker from alabama (and bill o'reilly) has more sense than these imams.
At least an apology was made(the best thing to do). I think the subject should now be forgotten.
FresnoBob said:
I think I might be in the wrong thread.
Kevrockcity said:
The poll was done or O'Railly's website:
The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day
Time now for "The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day," results of our BillOReilly.com poll on Aruba (search). We asked a very simple question: should Americans boycott Aruba in light of the botched Natalee Holloway (search) case?
About 35,000 of you voted; 76 percent favor a boycott and 24 percent oppose. Now obviously, Americans are angry about this and we'll continue to investigate it.
Also going to take a look into this cruise ship industry and see if they're going to still go to Aruba in the numbers that they were in the past.
To not investigate would be ridiculous..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172243,00.html
And this is the Alabama boycott
Alabama House asks residents to boycott Aruba
MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — The Alabama House passed a resolution Friday asking Alabama residents to boycott travel to Aruba, where a teenager has been missing for more than seven weeks.
The resolution expresses concern that no one has been charged in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway of Mountain Brook, Ala.
Holloway, who attended junior high school in Clinton, Miss., and whose father lives in Meridian, Miss., disappeared May 30. Her disappearance came hours before she was to catch a return flight to Alabama at the end of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island.
Since Holloway's disappearance, authorities in Aruba have detained seven people in the case, but only Joran van der Sloot, the 17-year-old son of a judge in training, remains in custody. Holloway was last seen in public leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot.
The resolution was sponsored by Rep. Leslie Vance, D-Phenix City, who said he hopes the threat of losing tourist dollars will encourage officials in Aruba to speed up the investigation.
"This is a way to say to the authorities down there that you have to get serious about this," Vance said.
Rep. Jim Carns, R-Mountain Brook, whose district includes Holloway's residence, said he supports the resolution.
"I think we need to do something to get their attention," Carns said. "One of our citizens went their as a tourist and apparently something terrible happened."
The resolution is not a law. Vance said it is just a recommendation asking Alabama tourists to avoid Aruba until the Holloway case is resolved.
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-07-22-alabama-aruba_x.htm
I do agree we're getting off topic though. I'll just drop this
I'll buy some Danish Fetta today, in order to ease the economic burden that accompanies freedom of speech.
I think the Danish government should apologise for allowing Carlsberg to sponsor the dippers.
People just can't grasp some concepts. It's not about rights, it's about respect. The paper has the right to print whatever they want, but Muslims also have the right to boycott whoever they want, for whatever reason. Don't use double standards.
holyland red said:
I think they suit each other very well, good but there is better.
Nistelrooy10 said:
True, any person has the right to boycott anything he or she wishes.
Nistelrooy10 said:
if they feel strongly about it then they should boycott the newspapers in question. that's their right. but wtf does that have to do with the Danish dairy products? or threats of violence.
for such a peaceful and supposedly evolved religion I'm not seeing much to persuade me that there is anyone with common sense involved here.
holyland red said:
Feck off, big nose!
Sultan said:
I would not worry about it Sultan, there are also many bad Christians, both sides have there lunatics.
Im red2 said:
If being honest, if charicaturs of Jesus similar to this had been published in the Muslim world, do you think there had been much of a reaction?
Nistelrooy10 said:
muslims demand "respect" (respect meaning inability to criticize them or use their symbols for satire, apparently) with death threats, requesting that government restrict free speech and civil liberties, and burning flags. wonderful. who can't respect that?
the only double standard here are the muslims who support the publication of cartoons offensive to jews while asking that cartoons offensive to them be banned.
if muslims want to be respected, they can start by acting like rational adults capable of living in a pluralistic society instead of fascist hypocrites who like to burn things at the slightest provocation.
Not really, just a few radicals voicing some rubbish about if it had been Mohammed depicted in this way in the west they would be talking about boycotts and kidnappings. The way I see it is if someone insults my God then it is on his head not mine, my God does not need me to stand up for him. I do not support my God (as if he needed support) he supports me. I hope I made some sense there.An Extremely Boring Man said:
Im red2 said:
Makes very good sense
Nistelrooy10 said:
No one is using a double standard. Muslims have the right to boycott Danish products. The ones who do so have the right to be stupid over-reacting twats, ignorant of the freedoms inherent in the Danish press, arrogant in insistent that their myopic views of rectitude control the actions of all other peoples, and, we must note, 4 months behind the time, as these cartoons came out in September of 2005.
Kevrockcity said:
Muslims should learn to think with their brains rather than their hearts and emotions.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
I thought Jesus was considered a major prophet in Islam, so he wouldn't be subject to characatures in the Middle East, although not out of respect for Christianity.
"This is war!"
Mullar Krekar is furious because of the Muhammed cartoons.
Nå er det krig
Mulla Krekar er i harnisk på grunn av Muhammed-tegningene.
The Norwegian TV2 contacted Mullar Krekar to get his view on the charicaturs which have been published in the Christian publication "Magazinet" and the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten.
"This is a declaration of war against our religion, our faith and civilisation. Us muslims are ready for this, says Mullar Krekar to TV2.
This is the first time the Mullar comments the issue.
"If the Danish or the Norwegian government make appologies, it won't mean anything. This is a decleration of war."
"The war has started" he continues.
Freedom of speech for Krekar too
Mullar Krekar's lawyer, Brynar Meling, says the freedom of speech must apply to Krekar too.
"He has a well protected right to say what he wants, just like the publication which has the right to publish these pictures, says Meling to Kanal 24.
"When someone declares war, how should people react to it?"
"You will have to ask the publication which Mullar Krekar claims has declared war."
New threats
Norwegians and other foreign citizens were threatened again in Gaza on Thursday.
"It is very serious that Norwegian people are threatened with violence" says Norway's foreign minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, during a press conference at the prime minister's office Thirsday afteroon.
Do not wish anyone harm
A spokesman for the Al-Aqsa-brigades in Gaza, Abu Muhammed, tells TV2 that they do not wish to harm Norwegians.
"But the Norwegian people do have to beg the muslim world for forgiveness" he says.
He does say that the Al-Aqsa-brigades do not wish to harm Norwegians, but fear that the cartoons could lead to actions against Norway and Norwegians.
"This could increase the problems and lead to war between civilisation" says Abu Muhammed.
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For fecks sake, it was some CARTOONS printed in a tiny right wing magazine!
I don't feel I have to make any apologies to anyone, for something I have no involvement in whatsoever!
Mullar Krekar is furious because of the Muhammed cartoons.
Nå er det krig
Mulla Krekar er i harnisk på grunn av Muhammed-tegningene.
The Norwegian TV2 contacted Mullar Krekar to get his view on the charicaturs which have been published in the Christian publication "Magazinet" and the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten.
"This is a declaration of war against our religion, our faith and civilisation. Us muslims are ready for this, says Mullar Krekar to TV2.
This is the first time the Mullar comments the issue.
"If the Danish or the Norwegian government make appologies, it won't mean anything. This is a decleration of war."
"The war has started" he continues.
Freedom of speech for Krekar too
Mullar Krekar's lawyer, Brynar Meling, says the freedom of speech must apply to Krekar too.
"He has a well protected right to say what he wants, just like the publication which has the right to publish these pictures, says Meling to Kanal 24.
"When someone declares war, how should people react to it?"
"You will have to ask the publication which Mullar Krekar claims has declared war."
New threats
Norwegians and other foreign citizens were threatened again in Gaza on Thursday.
"It is very serious that Norwegian people are threatened with violence" says Norway's foreign minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, during a press conference at the prime minister's office Thirsday afteroon.
Do not wish anyone harm
A spokesman for the Al-Aqsa-brigades in Gaza, Abu Muhammed, tells TV2 that they do not wish to harm Norwegians.
"But the Norwegian people do have to beg the muslim world for forgiveness" he says.
He does say that the Al-Aqsa-brigades do not wish to harm Norwegians, but fear that the cartoons could lead to actions against Norway and Norwegians.
"This could increase the problems and lead to war between civilisation" says Abu Muhammed.
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For fecks sake, it was some CARTOONS printed in a tiny right wing magazine!
I don't feel I have to make any apologies to anyone, for something I have no involvement in whatsoever!
FresnoBob said:
Boycotts are not the problem, terror threats etc are.
"Norway has 10 hours"
A Palestine group gives Norway's Government 10 hours to make apologies for the muhammed cartoons.
Norge har 10 timer
En palestinsk gruppe gir Norges regjering ti timer til å si unnskyld for Muhammed-tegningene.
An armed group called Abuel-Reesh Brigades, says Norwegian, Danish, French and German citizens in Gaza would be in "serious danger" if the respective governments offer apologies for the Muhammed cartoons, reports Reuters.
A Palestine group gives Norway's Government 10 hours to make apologies for the muhammed cartoons.
Norge har 10 timer
En palestinsk gruppe gir Norges regjering ti timer til å si unnskyld for Muhammed-tegningene.
An armed group called Abuel-Reesh Brigades, says Norwegian, Danish, French and German citizens in Gaza would be in "serious danger" if the respective governments offer apologies for the Muhammed cartoons, reports Reuters.
And the second the first european is harmed all EU aid to Palestine should stop.
Even more pathetic to hear Mullah Krekar, isn't he living on benefits in Norway? or was he thrown out already.
Even more pathetic to hear Mullah Krekar, isn't he living on benefits in Norway? or was he thrown out already.
AhmedDimwitson said:
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Do those cretins have any idea how vulnerable the Muslims living in the West are to retaliation by armed nuts in our society?
As soon as the Anal-Rash Brigades apologize for their childish outbursts, we can get back to attempting to respect the results of the recent election in Palestine.
those groups in Palestine are really showing what kind of idiots they are..
FresnoBob said:
They will be alright in the west. The biggest difference is that in a western country no-one has time for this shit. One can not just take the day off work to run around protesting against countries you've barely heard of which seems to be the case in these countries. Seems to be no difference what the whinging is about anymore.
FresnoBob said:
Worry not, the likes of Sultan and 01234Devil will soon be here to explain to us how the Norwegian people are to blame for this.
utdalltheway said:
Have you been reading this thread at all? I don't support violence, boycotting is OK.
Majority Danes agree with the newspaper.
Nistelrooy10 said:
I was writing about the reaction that is being reported on the news, not in this thread. If this gets out of hand, it'll be worse for the Muslim world than for others.
I reckon all this built up anger of these muslim men comes from the fact that they don't get laid enough.
Just ask Rams how frustrating that can be...
Just ask Rams how frustrating that can be...
An Extremely Boring Man said:
or they miss their foreskins.
PA police free German citizen kidnapped by Palestinian gunmen in Nablus
By Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondent, and News Agencies
A German citizen was reported freed by Palestinian Authority police on Thursday night shortly after armed Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades militants kidnapped him from a hotel in the West Bank city of Nablus, according to security officials.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not
authorized to release details, said police found the four kidnappers and the German, arrested two of the gunmen and freed the hostage. The whole incident lasted less than an hour.
The officials said the German was at preventive security headquarters.
A hotel worker, who refused to give his name, said the German, identified only as Christoph, was sitting with a group of Palestinians when armed Palestinians entered the hotel and took him away. There was no violence.
The worker said colleagues at the hotel saw two gunmen enter the hotel in the old city of Nablus and take the German away.
Mathias Eick, a German member of the European Union observer team that watched last week's Palestinian election, told the AP he had heard reports of a kidnapping but could not confirm them. He said all the German observers were accounted for, and German diplomats told him they did not know who was kidnapped.
The German Foreign Ministry in Berlin had not heard of a kidnapping and had no comment.
Elsewhere in Nablus, armed Palestinians closed a French cultural center,
witnesses said.
Foreign diplomats and journalists began pulling out of the Palestinian areas and two countries closed diplomatic offices Thursday after masked Palestinian gunmen threatened to kidnap foreigners.
Palestinian gunmen in the West Bank were reported searching several hotels and apartments for foreigners to kidnap, and militants in Gaza briefly surrounded the local office of the EU Commission. Some Palestinian shoppers said they would boycott European products.
Outrage escalated throughout the Arab and Islamic world.
Earlier Thursday, Norway closed its representative office in the West Bank to the public after receiving threats from armed groups in the region angered by the publishing of cartoons that depicted the prophet Mohammed in a Norwegian newspaper.
The office's staff, however, remained at work.
"We look upon this situation as very serious and we are closing our office to the public," foreign ministry spokesman Rune Bjaastad said.
He did not say when the office in Al Ram in the West Bank would reopen. Nine Norwegian diplomats and 14 local staff work in the office, he said.
Armed groups in the Palestinian territories have threatened to target Norwegians after the small Oslo-based Christian newspaper Magazinet republished 12 cartoons of the prophet Mohammed last month. Muslims consider it blasphemous to depict Mohammed.
Mohammed blasphemy row intensifies
An international row over newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed gathered pace on Thursday as more European dailies printed Danish caricatures of him and Muslims stepped up pressure to stop them.
About a dozen Palestinian gunmen surrounded European Union offices in the Gaza Strip demanding an apology for the cartoons, one of which shows Islam's founder wearing a bomb-shaped turban. Muslims consider any images of Mohammed to be blasphemous.
The owner of France Soir, a Paris daily that reprinted them on Wednesday along with one German and two Spanish papers, sacked its managing editor to show "a strong sign of respect for the beliefs and intimate convictions of every individual."
But the tabloid staunchly defended its right to print the cartoons. Switzerland's Le Temps and La Tribune de Geneve ran some of them on Thursday, as did Magyar Hirlap in Budapest. Some European dailies ran cartoons making fun of the controversy.
Iraqi Islamic leaders urged worshippers to stage demonstrations from Baghdad to the southern city of Basra following main weekly prayer services Friday. Hundreds of Pakistani protesters chanted "Death to France!"
Afghanistan's president and Indonesia's Foreign Ministry condemned the cartoons, and Iran's Foreign Ministry summoned the Austrian ambassador, whose country holds the EU presidency, to protest the publication.
The furor cuts to the question of which is more sacred in the Western world - freedom of expression or respect for religious beliefs. In the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the protests came just a week after the Islamic militant Hamas defeated the ruling Fatah Party in parliament elections and prepared to form the next government.
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the issue had gone beyond a row between Copenhagen and the Muslim world and now centred on Western free speech versus taboos in Islam, which is now the second religion in many European countries.
"We are talking about an issue with fundamental significance to how democracies work," Rasmussen told the Copenhagen daily Politiken. "One can safely say it is now an even bigger issue."
The clash has commercial repercussions. Danish companies have reported sales falling in the Middle East after protests against the cartoons in the Arab world and calls for boycotts.
Reaction to the cartoons in Middle East countries has been scathing.
"In the West, one discovers there are different moral ceilings and all moral parameters and measures are not equal," wrote the pan-Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat.
"If the Danish cartoon had been about a Jewish rabbi, it would never have been published."
Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef said Riyadh considered the cartoons an insult to Mohammed and all Muslims. "We hope that religious centres like the Vatican will clarify their opinion in this respect," he told the state news agency SPA.
In Beirut, the leader of Lebanon's Shi'ite Hizbollah said the row would never had occurred if a 17-year-old death edict against British writer Salman Rushdie been carried out.
"Had a Muslim carried out Imam Khomeini's fatwa against the apostate Salman Rushdie, then those lowlifers would not have dared discredit the Prophet, not in Denmark, Norway or France," Hezbollah head Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said on Wednesday night.
Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Mohammad, and Syria have recalled their ambassadors to Denmark.
By Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondent, and News Agencies
A German citizen was reported freed by Palestinian Authority police on Thursday night shortly after armed Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades militants kidnapped him from a hotel in the West Bank city of Nablus, according to security officials.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not
authorized to release details, said police found the four kidnappers and the German, arrested two of the gunmen and freed the hostage. The whole incident lasted less than an hour.
The officials said the German was at preventive security headquarters.
A hotel worker, who refused to give his name, said the German, identified only as Christoph, was sitting with a group of Palestinians when armed Palestinians entered the hotel and took him away. There was no violence.
The worker said colleagues at the hotel saw two gunmen enter the hotel in the old city of Nablus and take the German away.
Mathias Eick, a German member of the European Union observer team that watched last week's Palestinian election, told the AP he had heard reports of a kidnapping but could not confirm them. He said all the German observers were accounted for, and German diplomats told him they did not know who was kidnapped.
The German Foreign Ministry in Berlin had not heard of a kidnapping and had no comment.
Elsewhere in Nablus, armed Palestinians closed a French cultural center,
witnesses said.
Foreign diplomats and journalists began pulling out of the Palestinian areas and two countries closed diplomatic offices Thursday after masked Palestinian gunmen threatened to kidnap foreigners.
Palestinian gunmen in the West Bank were reported searching several hotels and apartments for foreigners to kidnap, and militants in Gaza briefly surrounded the local office of the EU Commission. Some Palestinian shoppers said they would boycott European products.
Outrage escalated throughout the Arab and Islamic world.
Earlier Thursday, Norway closed its representative office in the West Bank to the public after receiving threats from armed groups in the region angered by the publishing of cartoons that depicted the prophet Mohammed in a Norwegian newspaper.
The office's staff, however, remained at work.
"We look upon this situation as very serious and we are closing our office to the public," foreign ministry spokesman Rune Bjaastad said.
He did not say when the office in Al Ram in the West Bank would reopen. Nine Norwegian diplomats and 14 local staff work in the office, he said.
Armed groups in the Palestinian territories have threatened to target Norwegians after the small Oslo-based Christian newspaper Magazinet republished 12 cartoons of the prophet Mohammed last month. Muslims consider it blasphemous to depict Mohammed.
Mohammed blasphemy row intensifies
An international row over newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed gathered pace on Thursday as more European dailies printed Danish caricatures of him and Muslims stepped up pressure to stop them.
About a dozen Palestinian gunmen surrounded European Union offices in the Gaza Strip demanding an apology for the cartoons, one of which shows Islam's founder wearing a bomb-shaped turban. Muslims consider any images of Mohammed to be blasphemous.
The owner of France Soir, a Paris daily that reprinted them on Wednesday along with one German and two Spanish papers, sacked its managing editor to show "a strong sign of respect for the beliefs and intimate convictions of every individual."
But the tabloid staunchly defended its right to print the cartoons. Switzerland's Le Temps and La Tribune de Geneve ran some of them on Thursday, as did Magyar Hirlap in Budapest. Some European dailies ran cartoons making fun of the controversy.
Iraqi Islamic leaders urged worshippers to stage demonstrations from Baghdad to the southern city of Basra following main weekly prayer services Friday. Hundreds of Pakistani protesters chanted "Death to France!"
Afghanistan's president and Indonesia's Foreign Ministry condemned the cartoons, and Iran's Foreign Ministry summoned the Austrian ambassador, whose country holds the EU presidency, to protest the publication.
The furor cuts to the question of which is more sacred in the Western world - freedom of expression or respect for religious beliefs. In the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the protests came just a week after the Islamic militant Hamas defeated the ruling Fatah Party in parliament elections and prepared to form the next government.
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the issue had gone beyond a row between Copenhagen and the Muslim world and now centred on Western free speech versus taboos in Islam, which is now the second religion in many European countries.
"We are talking about an issue with fundamental significance to how democracies work," Rasmussen told the Copenhagen daily Politiken. "One can safely say it is now an even bigger issue."
The clash has commercial repercussions. Danish companies have reported sales falling in the Middle East after protests against the cartoons in the Arab world and calls for boycotts.
Reaction to the cartoons in Middle East countries has been scathing.
"In the West, one discovers there are different moral ceilings and all moral parameters and measures are not equal," wrote the pan-Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat.
"If the Danish cartoon had been about a Jewish rabbi, it would never have been published."
Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef said Riyadh considered the cartoons an insult to Mohammed and all Muslims. "We hope that religious centres like the Vatican will clarify their opinion in this respect," he told the state news agency SPA.
In Beirut, the leader of Lebanon's Shi'ite Hizbollah said the row would never had occurred if a 17-year-old death edict against British writer Salman Rushdie been carried out.
"Had a Muslim carried out Imam Khomeini's fatwa against the apostate Salman Rushdie, then those lowlifers would not have dared discredit the Prophet, not in Denmark, Norway or France," Hezbollah head Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said on Wednesday night.
Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Mohammad, and Syria have recalled their ambassadors to Denmark.
Most sensible thing I've heard all day.crappycraperson said:
Pathetic. That's what it is.
As an atheist, i'm very amused to see how insecure the really religious are. Its no point getting on a high horse and claiming its just the muslims. There's plenty of Christians, Hindus etc. who get all absurdly riled up when one of their religious icons is mocked. Its just that musims fanatics are a little more influential in their communities and ofcourse they get a lot more publicity because of the current atmosphere.
I can't give specific examples in the west off the top of my head but there were a huge bunch of religious nutters in India who threatened death to a prominent fashion designer when she used some god on an outfit.
Its like they don't really believe in their god and trust him/her to take of themselves. If they were secure, they should be feeling sorry among themselves about how the poor profaner would be feeling the eternal fires of hell. Instead, they get all riled up and excited.
It would be quite funny really if it didn't have such dangerous actual consequences.
I can't give specific examples in the west off the top of my head but there were a huge bunch of religious nutters in India who threatened death to a prominent fashion designer when she used some god on an outfit.
Its like they don't really believe in their god and trust him/her to take of themselves. If they were secure, they should be feeling sorry among themselves about how the poor profaner would be feeling the eternal fires of hell. Instead, they get all riled up and excited.
It would be quite funny really if it didn't have such dangerous actual consequences.
holyland red said:
Funny to think that those guns are the same ones Israel gave them as part of the Oslo accords so they could 'maintain order'.
These protestors. Don't they have jobs to do?