Imams Back Call for Danish Boycott

Nistelrooy10 said:
Palestinians have been put through hell and back, so how can you boycott them? What has Afghanistan done now? Iran? Please, spare me the propaganda
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boycot them for blaspheming islam by supporting terrorism - something governments of all these places have done (the taliban was who i referred to in afghanistan - sorry if you consider historical fact propaganda). yet, these boycots do not exist. instead, we get them when a privately run newspaper runs cartoons of mohammed. so what's the greater blasphemy to these hypocrites? you tell me.
 
The boycott is proving effective though. They said on the TV today that the danish-swedish dairy group Arla Foods are losing 250 teur a day on this boycott. Pretty hefty prices the companies have to pay due to this, and they have nothing to do with the fecking muppets printing their ridiculous cartoons. The danes should process the culprits in public asap to get someone to take the blame for this and get it forgotten asap.
 
doubt they will though. who is going to make up the difference, the US? doubt that too.

in 2005 the EU committed $612,000,000. not a small amount.
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
The boycott is proving effective though. They said on the TV today that the danish-swedish dairy group Arla Foods are losing 250 teur a day on this boycott. Pretty hefty prices the companies have to pay due to this, and they have nothing to do with the fecking muppets printing their ridiculous cartoons. The danes should process the culprits in public asap to get someone to take the blame for this and get it forgotten asap.
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process the culprits in public? feck free speech because of some dairy farmers? are you kidding me?
 
Kevrockcity said:
process the culprits in public? feck free speech because of some dairy farmers? are you kidding me?
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It's one example of a company doing badly, there are obviously more. An enormous price to pay for a cartoon when all you would have to do is to have a big trial and get someone to take the blame.
 
Kevrockcity said:
process the culprits in public? feck free speech because of some dairy farmers? are you kidding me?
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:lol:
there'll be a whole lot of processing to do, from the baltic to the med.
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
It's one example of a company doing badly, there are obviously more. An enormous price to pay for a cartoon when all you would have to do is to have a big trial and get someone to take the blame.
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and what would be the charge in this trial?
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
It's one example of a company doing badly, there are obviously more. An enormous price to pay for a cartoon when all you would have to do is to have a big trial and get someone to take the blame.
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prosecute a newspaper for printing a perfectly legal cartoon that offended some fascist hypocrites?

congratulations - i think this might be the most absurd post in the entire thread. not an easy feat given your competition.
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
hopefully the boycott, they are crying out for an appology / someone to take the blame.
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no, the charge. the legal charge. you can't have a trial without knowing what the charges are..
and they can't charge them with violating free speech. maybe incitement but that probably wouldn't fly either.....
 
Kevrockcity said:
prosecute a newspaper for printing a perfectly legal cartoon that offended some fascist hypocrites?

congratulations - i think this might be the most absurd post in the entire thread. not an easy feat given your competition.
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Do you understand how big Denmark is? a country heavily relying on exports. Do you understand how many muslims there are in this world? do you understand how important it is that these muslims keep buying?

The cartoon might be legal, who gives a shit, actions needs to be taken to stop the boycott asap. The boycott is absurd by all accounts, that is however irrelevant.
 
utdalltheway said:
doubt they will though. who is going to make up the difference, the US? doubt that too.

in 2005 the EU committed $612,000,000. not a small amount.
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The difference should be made up by Saudi Arabia who could do it at drop of a hat. Or even better, by OPEC by increasing the gas prices in EU
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
Do you understand how big Denmark is? a country heavily relying on exports. Do you understand how many muslims there are in this world? do you understand how important it is that these muslims keep buying?

The cartoon might be legal, who gives a shit, actions needs to be taken to stop the boycott asap. The boycott is absurd by all accounts, that is however irrelevant.
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wow.
 
Kevrockcity said:
boycot them for blaspheming islam by supporting terrorism - something governments of all these places have done (the taliban was who i referred to in afghanistan - sorry if you consider historical fact propaganda). yet, these boycots do not exist. instead, we get them when a privately run newspaper runs cartoons of mohammed. so what's the greater blasphemy to these hypocrites? you tell me.
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How many Muslims knew about Al Qaida and the fact that bin Laden is in Taliban? I never heard of them before 9/11. And now, which country is bin Laden in and which one should we boycott? I and other Muslims have done our part by not accepting his twisted ideology.

This cartoon is a different thing, as some other EU countries' papers are printing it apparently, which, after the reaction against Denmark is just plain old stupid and disrespectful. But if the editor has appologized, I don't see the reason to continue boycotting.
 
Kevrockcity said:
wow.
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If you keep people employed, then giving into the muslim communities demand is a small price to pay, especially as no more than official apology / someone taking the blame is needed. What is absurd is that businesses with no connection to this newspaper, or infact Denmark, are getting targeted as well. For some unknown reason even Swedish interests are targeted which certainely means that something needs to be done.
 
Nistelrooy10 said:
How many Muslims knew about Al Qaida and the fact that bin Laden is in Taliban? I never heard of them before 9/11. And now, which country is bin Laden in and which one should we boycott? I and other Muslims have done our part by not accepting his twisted ideology.

This cartoon is a different thing, as some other EU countries' papers are printing it apparently, which, after the reaction against Denmark is just plain old stupid and disrespectful. But if the editor has appologized, I don't see the reason to continue boycotting.
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the imams did not call for a boycot on the newspaper, they called for it on the countries that (heaven forbid) allowed these papers to print something that offended them.

which of the 12 cartoons did you find particularly disrespectful?
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
If you keep people employed, then giving into the muslim communities demand is a small price to pay, especially as no more than official apology / someone taking the blame is needed. What is absurd is that businesses with no connection to this newspaper, or infact Denmark, are getting targeted as well. For some unknown reason even Swedish interests are targeted which certainely means that something needs to be done.
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you would think this would make clear the absurdity of trying to please these groups.

you would think.
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
If you keep people employed, then giving into the muslim communities demand is a small price to pay, especially as no more than official apology / someone taking the blame is needed. What is absurd is that businesses with no connection to this newspaper, or infact Denmark, are getting targeted as well. For some unknown reason even Swedish interests are targeted which certainely means that something needs to be done.
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agreed that something needs to be done. after that I disagree. the boycott is ridiculous as are the threats, recalling ambassadors, shutting down embassies, etc.
various newspapers in other EU states are now standing up to be counted. we'll have to see what happens next but it'll be interesting.
 
Kevrockcity said:
you would think this would make clear the absurdity of trying to please these groups.

you would think.
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Correct, its a difficult market to penetrate. Gives you an impression of how much much effort and money these companies have put into operating in this environment, it as enormous task to expand to other countries, only for a cartoon painter to feck it all up. :lol: which in a way is ridiculous. This could obviously have been prevented if the Danish government had done something to calm it down, but they were too proud.
 
Kevrockcity said:
the imams did not call for a boycot on the newspaper, they called for it on the countries that (heaven forbid) allowed these papers to print something that offended them.

which of the 12 cartoons did you find particularly disrespectful?
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Look, most people would agree that someone standing on a street corner, preaching attacks against a particular country is incitment to violence and should not be allowed. We had a thread on this a while back.

This thing with the paper is the same thing. Showing the main figure of Islam in such light as those cartoons goes to paint all Muslims with the same brush. It incites Islamophobia which could lead to prejudice and violence. If the pictures were those of bin Laden, it would have been a whole different thing.
My people were killed for being Muslims, so when someone draws an offensive cartoon, I'm not offended, because there are far worse things out there.

But as I sayed, they do incite to Islamophobia which could harm many Muslims in Europe. And now that others want to print this, it could only make it worse.
 
I understand the freedom of speach, and I understand the Danish papers making a mistake because they were perhaps ignorent of facts (unless they did this on purpose), but I don't understand these other papers. Why would they paint Muhammed (pbuh) in such a way? Did he use bombs? Did he encourage terrorist attacks? Don't they have respect for other people's beliefs? Tens of millions of Muslims in Europe follow the true way of our religion and only a handfull are deviants, so why portray him in such a way. It's either ignorence, or hatred and arrogance.

I would turn up the oil prices if I were in charge of Arab countries. They hold so much power, yet don't know how to use it to protect their fellow Muslims in Europe.
 
Nistelrooy10 said:
Look, most people would agree that someone standing on a street corner, preaching attacks against a particular country is incitment to violence and should not be allowed. We had a thread on this a while back.

This thing with the paper is the same thing.
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no it isn't. which cartoon preached violence? what is off the table? does anything that criticizes islam "incite islamophobia?" please. christianity is criticized all the time, its symbols used in cartoons (south park is a notable example, where jesus is a recurring figure), artwork (crucifixes placed in jars of urine), et cetera - when you live in the west, this is allowed and the government can't help you. if someone doesn't like it, too bad. in denmark, imams don't get to tell what you're allowed to look at.

Nistelrooy10 said:
Showing the main figure of Islam in such light as those cartoons goes to paint all Muslims with the same brush.
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no it doesn't. which cartoons painted all muslims in a "bad light?"

Nistelrooy10 said:
It incites Islamophobia which could lead to prejudice and violence. If the pictures were those of bin Laden, it would have been a whole different thing.
My people were killed for being Muslims, so when someone draws an offensive cartoon, I'm not offended, because there are far worse things out there.

But as I sayed, they do incite to Islamophobia which could harm many Muslims in Europe. And now that others want to print this, it could only make it worse.
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i can only speak for myself, but i would think the absurd reaction to a bunch of cartoons spreads more islamophobia than anything the cartoons themselves said. and i hate to say this, but if the reaction of the imams is representative of the general feeling of muslims toward civil liberties and freedom of speech, then there is something genuinely to be feared.
 
Nistelrooy10 said:
I understand the freedom of speach, and I understand the Danish papers making a mistake because they were perhaps ignorent of facts (unless they did this on purpose), but I don't understand these other papers. Why would they paint Muhammed (pbuh) in such a way? Did he use bombs? Did he encourage terrorist attacks? Don't they have respect for other people's beliefs? Tens of millions of Muslims in Europe follow the true way of our religion and only a handfull are deviants, so why portray him in such a way. It's either ignorence, or hatred and arrogance.

I would turn up the oil prices if I were in charge of Arab countries. They hold so much power, yet don't know how to use it to protect their fellow Muslims in Europe.
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the point of the terrorism-related cartoon (again, my own interpretation, as well as the artist's) is to demonstrate that terrorists cloak themselves in islam, not that everyone that follows islam is a terrorist. is this off the table? can a cartoonist not use mohammed to make a political statement?
 
Any Danish posters know anything of this story doing the rounds quoting a Danish editor suggesting that the cartoons in question were published to stir up public opinion against Muslims in Denmark- If that was true, then something has gone wrong.
 
Kevrockcity said:
the point of the terrorism-related cartoon (again, my own interpretation, as well as the artist's) is to demonstrate that terrorists cloak themselves in islam, not that everyone that follows islam is a terrorist. is this off the table? can a cartoonist not use mohammed to make a political statement?
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Are you sure that's the artist's interpretation though? If it is, they should say it. Because that's a pretty complex answer. Most regular people will not think of this. Instead they will choose the simplest conclusion: They wanted to paint Muhammed (pbuh) as terrorist.
 
Kevrockcity said:
no it doesn't. which cartoons painted all muslims in a "bad light?"
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The one with the bomb and the one where Muhammed (savs) says that they're running out of virgins come to mind.

My argument was that by painting the leader in a bad light, you do same thing to his followers who try to use him as a role model
 
Sultan said:
Any Danish posters know anything of this story doing the rounds quoting a Danish editor suggesting that the cartoons in question were published to stir up public opinion against Muslims in Denmark- If that was true, then something has gone wrong.
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Sullie--Do you have a "source" for this bogus tale other than some Muslim internet site? This strikes me as another made-up allegation (similar to the anti-Israeli reports after Sept 11, 2001) where some over-zealous person is insistent on portraying all Muslims as victims, this time at the hands of the notoriously vicious and influential Danish empire.
 
Nistelrooy10 said:
The one with the bomb and the one where Muhammed (savs) says that they're running out of virgins come to mind.

My argument was that by painting the leader in a bad light, you do same thing to his followers who try to use him as a role model
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so if Jesus is portrayed in a bad light then the same should follow for Christians?
I don't think so. most are secure enough in their faith that they hardly worry about things like that. sure you'll always get a few all worked up and they demonstrate and such but that's the extent of it. it's hardly the whole Christian world calling for boycotts against whomever.
 
haven't read all this thread but what about the other cartoons that were used to stir up the public that weren't even part of the original series in the Danish paper? the people that dug those up should be boycotted too, right?
 
FresnoBob said:
Sullie--Do you have a "source" for this bogus tale other than some Muslim internet site? This strikes me as another made-up allegation (similar to the anti-Israeli reports after Sept 11, 2001) where some over-zealous person is insistent on portraying all Muslims as victims, this time at the hands of the notoriously vicious and influential Danish empire.
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I don't have any links-I suspect it's a fake.

Hence my question to our Danish posters if they knew anything...
 
from my earlier wikipedia link:

"Rumours of misinformation also include statements that Danish newspapers are running a campaign against Islam and that the Danish government is planning to publish a censored version of the Koran."
 
Nistelrooy10 said:
The one with the bomb and the one where Muhammed (savs) says that they're running out of virgins come to mind.

My argument was that by painting the leader in a bad light, you do same thing to his followers who try to use him as a role model
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Well, get certain clerics from recruiting young suicide bombers, promising them 70 virgins when they get to Paradise, and assuring the world that this is the word of Allah and, perhaps, no cartoonist, exercising his right of free speech in a free society, would then draw a cartoon consistent with the views expressed by the aforementioned cleric.
If you are saying that isn't the message in the Quran, maybe you should spend more time boycotting crazed politicially motivated Islamic clerics who foster such conduct and less time boycotting the products of companies who are situated in the same nation as the newpaper in question but have no control whatsoever over what is contained in the newspaper.
 
Kevrockcity said:
from my earlier wikipedia link:

"Rumours of misinformation also include statements that Danish newspapers are running a campaign against Islam and that the Danish government is planning to publish a censored version of the Koran."
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Which, I take it, is the belligerent way of saying "Well, Sultan, it appears that the rumors you heard are not true, but part of an organized campaign to make political hay over the appearance of these cartoons."
 
Nistelrooy10 said:
The one with the bomb and the one where Muhammed (savs) says that they're running out of virgins come to mind.

My argument was that by painting the leader in a bad light, you do same thing to his followers who try to use him as a role model
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how does mohammed telling suicide bombers they've run out of virgins in heaven paint muslims or mohammed in a bad light? it's clearly a spoof on suicide bombers who look forward to having their virigins in heaven... only to find there's no more left (probably because they've run out do the frequency of "martyrs"). i see zero wrong with this.

people have all sorts of role models - eric cantona, jesus, mohammed, whomever. not having our role models critiqued or used to make political/ philosophical points that offend us - this is not a right in western civilization.

again, it's the silly fascist boycot that paints muslims in a bad light, not the cartoons.
 
FresnoBob said:
Well, get certain clerics from recruiting young suicide bombers, promising them 70 virgins when they get to Paradise, and assuring the world that this is the word of Allah and, perhaps, no cartoonist, exercising his right of free speech in a free society, would then draw a cartoon consistent with the views expressed by the aforementioned cleric.
If you are saying that isn't the message in the Quran, maybe you should spend more time boycotting crazed politicially motivated Islamic clerics who foster such conduct and less time boycotting the products of companies who are situated in the same nation as the newpaper in question but have no control whatsoever over what is contained in the newspaper.
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Muslims are perfectly correct to boycott Denmark. It might not be fair, but it is a way to put pressure on their government to do something which they normally wouldn't do. In a way, I'm proud that they are boycotting and not using violence, like killing the editor for example. Remember what happened to that movie maker in Holland?


Speaking of boycotts, I remember a certain news network calling for a rediculus Aruba boycotts to which most people responded positively, as well as the calls to boycott france during the Iraqi war. freedom fryes anyone?
 
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