Well yeah they played together but we signed Rojo to play left side CB where Evans played. We then sold Evans and bought no other left sided defenders. Ergo Rojo replaced Evans role in the squad.
Evans had a bad season Van Gaals first year no doubt, but he's recovered and still a lot better than Rojo.
Yep
In the end I went with Moyes on the basis that LVG did at least win an FA Cup. But the football was worse under LVG and the stats bear this out. His transfer policy was a mess (he rebuilt the team twice without actually building anything) and he signed a superstar (Di Maria) yet managed him atrociously, etc.
So I voted Moyes, but to be honest I think if Moyes had been given the time and money LVG was he would have done just as well. Moyes spoke about our squad as if it needed completely overhauling and it seemed easier to change the manager, and yet two and a half years later that is pretty much what has happened.
Evans is actually just as bad at WBA as he was with us in 14/15. But he has more support to work with (effectively 2 or 3 defensive minded CMs, fullbacks who are defensive etc.) and that expectations are kind of lower at WBA. He makes many mistakes even there. It's just that for WBA level he is ok.
Being the best defender and player of the year at a mid-table side means he is and was more than good enough to be a squad player at United.
And as i said better than Rojo who let's be honest probably wouldn't even get into a lot of mid-table PL sides.
Rojo would easily play for many teams in the PL like Stoke and WBA themselves. Even Fabio gets games in the PL. Evans is quite poor. I think Stoke scored this weekend because Evans failed to deal with a cross that should have been quite straightforward. Rojo would be a good enough defender in a team where a couple of mistakes per game aren't seen as crimes. He is quite a competent CB, was good for sporting too.
That 14/15 Evans performance all season was quite possibly the worst I have seen in the last 5-6 years from a defender.
Jesus fecking christ mate, i know for a fact there isn't a fecking clause in his contract that stipulates he plays in every game because A. it's a fecking moronic concept that no club would agree to and B. because he was dropped for two games last season.
You don't need to read someone's contract to employ common sense. Unless you also actually think the stipulation allows him to be dropped for a game or two ''for show'' as you suggested. You must think United is run by a bunch of absolute morons that allow players to insert any old shite into their contracts.
Have you ever heard of or seen anything that proves any player, at any club, anywhere in the world has something similar in their contract to insure they play every game regardless of form?
Answer that question mate and you will have also have your answer as to whether there is anything like that in Rooney's contract.
Being the best defender and player of the year at a mid-table side means he is and was more than good enough to be a squad player at United.
And as i said better than Rojo who let's be honest probably wouldn't even get into a lot of mid-table PL sides.
Wow, you just don't give up trying to put words in my mouth. I am not saying there is a stipulation that he must play. I am just stating neither you nor I have read the contract, and therefore we have no way of knowing if there are any clauses that have economic consequences or which affect in any way a club manager's ability to drop Rooney without adverse effect to the club. Rooney's contract is different than a usual footballer's contract due to image rights. Can't you see the difference between what I am saying and what you wrote?
I agree with you, Evans has the quality to be a MUFC player. He can be a very good defender. But for some strange reason, during the final years with us he was just committing error after error. I can't really fault VG for selling him at the time he did.
I don't fault him for selling him either mate, i would have done the same that year. I only fault him for not adequately replacing him, and instead spending almost 4 times the amount we received for Evans on in my opinion an inferior player. One in a long list of examples of Van Gaals poor squad management.
Just change the last phrase from "ensure the player plays every game regardless of form until he was 33" to "to ensure the club will face an important cost (economic or otherwise) as a consequence of dropping him."I know exactly what you are saying mate, you are talking about sponsorships, image rights and economic consequences just as you were earlier. But essentially what you are suggesting still amounts to the exact same thing, you think it's possible that Manchester United entered into a 5.5 year contract with 28 year old player with a player that had clauses, stipulations, economic penalties, whatever to ensure the player plays every game regardless of form until he was 33.
Just change the last phrase from "ensure the player plays every game regardless of form until he was 33" to "to ensure the club will face an important cost (economic or otherwise) as a consequence of dropping him."
Anyway, I have tried to explain my point of view. Even if you don't agree, I hope you are at least able to respect that we can have different points of view and neither if us being daft for it.
In my opinion you underrate Evans which is fashionable on the Caf these days but he's still better than Rojo which was my original point. One bad season doesn't define a players ability. Anyway lets not derail the thread.
Na Evans was very good once (as recent as 2012) but thanks to injuries he hasn't kicked on like he should. Similar to guys like bojan, januzaj etc. Arsenal fans' reaction to when they were linked with Evans tells us that he wasn't good enough. Rojo performed better when it mattered so he was kept as backup.
We also received 10m for Evans?
Arsenal fans reactions don't mean much at all mate to be honest. He was a very good player for us at times and you are right he never kicked on and became the world class defender some thought he could be but he's still a good player. More than good enough for United especially as a back-up and better than Rojo who i can't remember turning in a decent performance in going on 2 years.
As recently as 2014 this was the general opinion of him on the Caf, most seemed to rate him one bad year seems to have rewritten history for a lot of people.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jonny-evans-what-do-we-think.385437/
I believe it was £6m
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nchester-United-man-signs-four-year-deal.html
