Especially when he's been espousing views he never actually believed in all that much for the sole reason of gaining power.
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Especially when he's been espousing views he never actually believed in all that much for the sole reason of gaining power.
Really? Corbyn wanted to enact Article 50 the day after the vote. He is absolutely clueless.
Are you primarily referring to Brexit, for such a judgement seems rather hasty.
Corbyn has suggested some very ex[pensive policies, but where are the pounds and pence going to come from? Nor do i see his isolationist foreign policy as being a boost to our global standing.
Even as a committed Brexiteer, i do not feel that the EU should be embracing further integration with Turkey. For while a pro-Ankara stance has been the position of successive British governments, we've been moving further apart over time (through changes in both domestic and foreign policy). At the very best our position should be a neutral one, but opposition would be my preference for so long as we remain a member of the European Union.
It still seems wrong that Cameron stood down because he lost the referendum, yet his replacement was on the losing side as well.
So now someone who stood against Leave is in charge of Leaving. It must have made sense to the Tory MPs that voted for her, but it doesn't to me I'm afraid.
So now someone who stood against Leave is in charge of Leaving. It must have made sense to the Tory MPs that voted for her, but it doesn't to me I'm afraid.
Is your issue with May being elected leader or Cameron's resignation?
Give his actions throughout the referendum campaign, he simply couldn't have been trusted to head up a Brexit policy and determine the fate of negotiations.
I think Cameron had to go, yes, but it would have been logical for the Tories to vote a Leaver in as leader.
Although the Leavers do seem to be mostly tossers I suppose.
Although the Leavers do seem to be mostly tossers I suppose.
The Tories seem to be making a habit of presenting old Labour policy as there own.
Its great and everything but it'd be nice if they weren't cnuts in the first place.
The big housing announcement is bollocks when you compare it to the money that goes to private landlords annually.
Its great and everything but it'd be nice if they weren't cnuts in the first place.
The big housing announcement is bollocks when you compare it to the money that goes to private landlords annually.
May strikes me as someone who wanted to Leave, but felt it'd be better to play it safe by staying on the side of Remain. Kind of the opposite to Boris...who didn't think Brexit was a great idea but supported it to further his own career.
You could be right. Maybe the MPs who voted for her think that as well, and just forgave her maneuvering as being quite normal in the world of politicians.
Perhaps. Although the thing is...May didn't really have to do anything to become PM in the end. The reason she's in charge is because Gove was greedy and turned on Boris, while Leadsom managed to make about three ridiculous, outdated remarks in the space of a week and wasn't credible at all. May's kind of like the meddling, dull compromise...someone who's got enough Euroscepticism to appease the Brexit Tory crowd, since they couldn't muster their own leader, but closely associated with Cameron/Osborne for that wing of the party.
Sources claiming Garage is taking his old job back.
Third time.
UKIP have always been like a circus anyway. Maybe they're following a wrestling format, with a new leader taking control every few months.
Hardly surprising, another Guardian writer having dig at Labour.
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UKIP really are a joke. Farage as confirmed that he will be back as leader. And i thought the Labour party had it bad.
May going straight for the centre ground.
Would or could Corbyn flag up the problems of Britain's poorest attainers in education, working class white males? I don't know, just wondering.
Would or could Corbyn flag up the problems of Britain's poorest attainers in education, working class white males? I don't know, just wondering.
perhaps they will end up with the trump when he balls up the us election... (or could johnson fancy a crack as it looks unlikely he will ever become conservative leader)
could he - yes
would he - probably not
Labour have had a year to plant a flag in the centre ground and take the fight to the conservatives - instead they have exited stage left
its going to be a massacre if she calls an early election
Mr brexit is back
Going for the centre ground by veering massively to the right?
They have essentially become UKIP this week regardless of how they frame it. The problem is enough of the UK electorate have voted UKIP at one point or another to make that a viable route to power.
A slight exaggeration i'd suggest.
Her Government hasn't actually enacted a great deal of policy as yet (mostly rhetoric), however the shift away from Osborne's mantra has the potential to be a centrist, positive move.
They had to move away from Osborne's targets as they were 1. More or less unacheivable pre-Brexit and 2. Utterly unacheivable post-Brexit
When her only current policy for enabling her centrist meritocracy is the reintroduction of grammar schools, a policy that provably achieves the opposite (and is also a UKIP policy) I don't think it's that much of an exaggeration.
It depends how successful her black is white framing of the government is.
Does May's government share UKIP's views on climate change?
Nor were the impracticalities of his policies much of an impediment to Osborne pre-Brexit.
She's put Andrea "Is climate change real?" Leadsom in charge of the environment. Who is straight from the feck it school of environmental thinking.
Fair point, it is rhetoric while we're waiting for policy, and we've had lots of such smokescreen before of course, from Thatcher's Francis of Assisi onwards.
Looking at the audience, a few didn't look too happy at some of her remarks. Cameron wasn't right-wing enough for many Tory activists, I wonder how they'd react if May really did come up with a string of one-nation bills?
Carswell's response:
And Corbyn's:
I prefer Corbyn's personally
And Corbyn's:
I prefer Corbyn's personally
No. Although if you look at policy, they don't seem that fussed about it. (No government has been anywhere near radical enough, anywhere on the planet. The current government is much worse than Labour were, but they weren't great either).
And as @Silva sort of stated, one of May's first significant moves was to close the Department for Energy and Climate Change and split those responsibilities between recent climate change denier Andrea Leadsom, and the Business and Industrial Strategy department (because of course business and industry are desirable influences for climate change policy).
Fair point regarding Osborne's targets, but Brexit meant they had to be scrapped, I wouldn't take their abandonment as proof of a more centrist government until we see genuine policy proof (Nick Robinson was pretty good on Today at skewering May for her rhetoric on fairness vs her action)
On substance they are close enough to identical. Abolishing every renewable subsidy they can find, fingers in ears, nanana.
The most immediate environmental issue Britain faces is our rivers flooding, the last couple of governments exacerbated the problem, while the current government doesn't even acknowledge it and will let it deteriorate to beyond breaking point.
It's a sad state of affairs when the people tasked with looking after this country are more concerned with imprisoning landlords who rent to illegal immigrants than they are with an impending catastrophe that will render large swathes of the country uninhabitable.
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There are no words to describe how much I hate the Tories.
Steven Gerrard?
Very close.
I think what's most worrying about May's speech is she has taken the positive left wing notion of an interventionist state and is using it to enact hard right anti-immigrant policies, eroding human rights, pro mass surveillance, etc.
It's essentially trying to snap up the Labour centre ground and UKIP right ground in one go. Snide but clever.
May is committed to the ratifying the Paris accord i believe, and it was also her government which brought in the ban on microbeads. I doubt whether UKIP would be going through with either. You are quite right about the half-hearted policies of successive governments though, something which hasn't even changed with Corbyn's leadership. If we were committed to renewables, we'd be passing laws which mandated solar panels on New Builds (as well as grants for older homes).
Personally, i don't think the existence of an actual climate change department is required, not with the issue crosses over into so many of the others. You either have a committed leadership or yo don't, the rest is so much window dressing and bureaucracy. It has also been a fairly junior position in the Cabinet, attempting to influence more powerful ministries such as Transport and the Treasury.
I am certainly hoping that Hammond will bring about increased infrastructure investment, possibly a few more enterprise zones while he's at it. Yet there is no hiding the fact that May has a definite authoritarian streak. We've seen thsi with her steadfast support of the EAW, in direct conflict with much of the party.
Just fixing that for you.