Another masterclass from Clattenburg failing to give a penalty for an intentional handball by Ronaldo from Dortmund FK. How does he keep getting big games to ref?
Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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It was outside the box, but yeah as clear a handball as you'll see.
Ye wasn't sure with the replay I seen from reddit. It just baffles me how he makes so many mistakes and still gets given big games to ref.
Absolutely right even at 80% he is still 20% better than anyone in England and has proved it with goals goals goals wherever he has been .To read all the criticism of him on this thread is unbelievable .
I've supported united for over 40 years I saw , Best , Chsrlton ,Law , etc and Ronaldo is by far the most talented player I have ever seen in a United shirt , we will all miss him when he has gone because the chances are we will never see a better player .
All the rot about him being finished is laughable he will score at least 30 goals again this season .
PS I see he scored again tonight ... Shock !!
The criticism of him is very understandable. I think he is simply a very different "best player in the world calibre" type of player (in the past 4 or 5 years). Most of the players who reached that status from Zidane, Fat Ronaldo, Cruyff, Maradona and Messi were more involved in the build up, they had a clear authority on the games they played at as they went deeper and made more touches, passes, etc. They also influenced major games; European finals, World Cup finals, CL finals and so on. Ronaldo is different, his greatness stems from pure numbers. You watch him and you don't feel he is a constant threat, you do know that all he needs is a chance and that he can win a game out of nowhere but that leaves a lot of people cold and detached to his exploits. The fact that he also does not really have that seminal performance, that people will remember years from now as a show stopper (Zidane vs Brazil, Messi vs Bayern, Ronaldo vs Germany, Maradona a bunch of times) can also explain the relative coldness with which he is viewed.
I am not saying or even suggesting that he is overrated. After all, the level of the player is decided by what you set as the parameters for success and it is a fact that in many criteria, Ronaldo is unbeatable and therefore not even a little overrated. But there is definitely a clear reason why to many, he still doesn't convince as much as his numbers would suggest.
If putting the ball in the back of the net is the only talent you care about in a footballer, then I can understand why you would hail him as the GOAT. If you take into consideration the other characteristics and attributes that make up an extremely talented footballer , then he belongs somewhere between place number 10 and 50 on the best ever list.
Tbf, his marvelous cross created the opportunity to make it 2:1. He scored and played his role in the the second one, not too bad.
That's amazing. He quite clearly takes care of his body and always looks in peak condition.
PSG surely?
He'll replace Zlatan as our icon player.
To be fair, if you think Ronaldo's strengths are limited to putting the ball in the back of the net, you haven't seen enough of him to make a proper judgement.
Putting the ball into the back of the net is actually the best and most valueable talent a player can have though.
Also in ronaldo case, we do know that he has have more than that. FFS he played for us for 6 years. It is not like we are just commenting on some random good players.
What does that mean? Do you mean the most influence a footballer can have a on a game is scoring goals? The most valuable quality a footballer can have in my view is creating unbalance in the opponents by creating spaces through dribbling, vision, passing. A quality that means no tactical preparation can stop them. The act of actually being the one scoring the goal does not necessarily mean you were the difference maker. Ruud scored a bucket load for us yet few would argue that Iniesta for example is more influential on a football pitch. Ronaldo is simply not involved enough. By enough here, I don't mean compared to normal footballers, I mean compared to the elite of all time which is the standard he is and should be judged on.
We also did not forget that he played for us. Most of the criticism towards Ronaldo concerns the past 4 or 5 years. It is well documented that he made a conscience decision to move up closer to goal to boast his numbers. This has led to an explosion of stats but less moments we have seen from him with us where he would change games with his skill.
Iniesta may be the more influential but if he does not have a ruud and lets say he has me then that team would not win much now, would it?
I get what you mean. Now, you need to know what I mean.
Of course! Every element of the team is necessary. If Iniesta has a Ruud and a Beckenbauer and no goalie, they wouldn't win either. We are not talking here about whether scoring goals is influential, that's a non starter. We are talking whether it is THE most influential part of the game. In my view, the guys who destabilize a defence through dribbling and passing consistently are the ones who are worth the most money. The tendency is that those guys are also very decent goalscorers as well like Maradona and Cruyff and to a lesser extent Zidane and Iniesta. Messi has somehow combined both which is frankly ridiculous. Ronaldo is strange in that regard in that his numbers demand that he be considered as one of the greats but he is so different to most of them in how relatively ineffective outside the box.
His thing in Europe is to not call anything at all. Players get away with a lot when he's reffing.
Yep, home and away in the PL/ Europe and a couple of el clasicos, not seen much of him at all.
I've seen enough of him to gladly have him placed anywhere in the 10-50 greatest players to ever play the game list. It's obviously not his only strength , but it's the thing that stands out the most for him in a GOAT conversation.
Good goal scoring ability is actually pretty hard to get, imo. There are a couple of good passers/creators in top teams. But, not all of them has a good goal scorer.
Ronaldo just wants to score goals for himself. So there is a difference. It is not like he can't create for others.
Ronaldo is in fact a very very good passer as well which no one hardly talks about.
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Personally I don't think that he's fit or that he's a knock away from a long injury. He doesn't want to get anywhere close to a situation where he can get tackled and he rarely sprints unless there's a goal at the end of it. When he's got the ball he tries to pass it as soon as possible.
I don't disagree at all. He is an extremely talented footballer, his pace, dribbling, crossing and movement are always top class. He just uses them significantly less over the past 4/5 years.
I agree. He practically eliminated any facet of his game that might jeopardize his chances at being at the end of chances. I don't think even his fans disagree with that. The argument is whether that approach makes him more or less influential on his team compared to the other all time greats. IMO, it makes him less, he influences games less than the traditional best players of all times. Influence here meaning making a difference through a singular act of genius, an act that unlock a tight defence.
Top X players argument is a different discussion. He has many other qualities that make him who he is other than goal scoring (which is his strength no doubt)
Can any of our spanish speakers translate this? @jojojo
http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/...ion-goes-hard-against-benzema-and-bale-video/
http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/...ion-goes-hard-against-benzema-and-bale-video/
Clearly he can't dribble to any great effect anymore, surely that's unarguable as the last time i saw him beat a man or two is v Roma away 10 years ago! (Not literally)
Don't know what was being said but what an overreaction if anyone thinks those were intentionally bad challenged.
I miss the old Ronaldo. He's a bit more boring to watch nowadays.
@SirAF tickets for the Leganes game in November have been booked. Hoping for a hat trick or 2 that day. Viva! 
He isn't the best goal scorer either. Messi has a better goal rate anyway.
Ronaldo was very good yesterday. He's hitting good form at the right moment, for Ballon d'Or, that is.
Why would anyone talk about something that he barely ever demonstrates? These days he's just an extremely effective poacher. Nothing else about his overall performances stand out as something worth discussing, aside from his enormous ego.
I think this is incredibly harsh. Maybe it's pure coincidence but I think he's crossed for a goal the last 5-6 times I've seen Real Madrid play. I know it's not as hip as the Messi assists, but Real have some good headers and he's creating a lot of goals like that. But, you know, whatever you said
Very good overall performance against Dortmund. He scored (almost twice) and pre-assisted Madrid's second goal with a great cross; He was active off the ball and did his share of work for his deep positioned team. On the ball he was more focused and precise than usual, Whoscored has his passing completion rate at 91%.
Page full of Ronaldo hate shocker. But I wanted to reply to this.
Very different "best player in the world" what the hell is that? Is it that hard to give some credit to the man? Either youre one of the best in the game or youre not. Also Ronaldo has been accused of blowing away small teams and being anonymous against big teams. That's where his influence and authority came into play. The guy can get 4 goals against a small team.
At the euro's his 2 goals helped his team get out of the group.
At man utd he scored in 1 FA cup final, 2 Carling cup finals, CL final and took the team to 3 consecutive PLS. WC 2006 he was one of the star players for Portugal.
For Madrid he's scored in 2 CL finals.
If you don't like the player than that's fine. But can we stop with this bull that Ronaldo couldnt control a game. Remember the Arsenal V Man United CL semi final 2nd leg at emirates? 2 goals and an assist. Was electric that night.
Can he now? No. How old is he? He isn't at his peak anymore but he will still get you 40 goals a season I'm sure.
Very different "best player in the world" what the hell is that? Is it that hard to give some credit to the man? Either youre one of the best in the game or youre not. Also Ronaldo has been accused of blowing away small teams and being anonymous against big teams. That's where his influence and authority came into play. The guy can get 4 goals against a small team.
At the euro's his 2 goals helped his team get out of the group.
At man utd he scored in 1 FA cup final, 2 Carling cup finals, CL final and took the team to 3 consecutive PLS. WC 2006 he was one of the star players for Portugal.
For Madrid he's scored in 2 CL finals.
If you don't like the player than that's fine. But can we stop with this bull that Ronaldo couldnt control a game. Remember the Arsenal V Man United CL semi final 2nd leg at emirates? 2 goals and an assist. Was electric that night.
Can he now? No. How old is he? He isn't at his peak anymore but he will still get you 40 goals a season I'm sure.
Ditto (50 for me). IMHO, George is the only one that even ran him close.
What a player he is. Wouldn't be suprised if he scores over 700 career goals before he retires. He's one of the greatest and it pains me to say that for many different reasons.
Spot on.
You did not respond to any point that I made. My post was clear and did not even take sides. I specifically wrote that how good he is dependent on the criteria you set. I also specifically made the point that when talking about controlling games, I was comparing him to the elite of the elite, not the "normal" good players which if you argue with is pretty weird. You are speaking like a typical fanboy and if your next response is more fanboy anger and emotional instability, I am not interested.
Well sure but my point was that it was in his locker. He clearly doesn't work on these attributes anymore or at least not as much in an attempt to focus his efforts on what happens in the final third.
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