Of course they understand the treaty they signed up to. The EU members are making inflammatory statements and Brussels refuses to say whether UK nationals living in the EU will be able to stay there or not, yet May has said that all EU nationals will be able to stay in the UK. However Juncker refuses to give the same deal to Brits. Bojo is only saying what Merkel has said so often.
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Boris Johnson clearly doesn't understand the Lisbon treaty and there is no point claiming he does, if he did he wouldn't have given an interview saying that any connection between free movement and full membership of the single market was 'complete baloney' would he?
May has not once said that EU nationals will be able to stay in the UK, that is not true. On the contrary we had Fox claiming that EU nationals would be used as a form of bargaining chips, however the govt has come to realise that their position is hopeless on this point as by the time for full exit comes round more than 80% of EU nationals will have earned the full right to stay. In contrast as a Brit living and working in an EU country there haven't been threats to us, the problems and concerns we are experiencing are due to the hostility of May and the three Brexit loons who are frankly an embarrassment to all Brits who are residing in other EU countries.
There isn't any connection between "access" to the single market and freedom of movement. Just ask Canada, USA, countries in Africa, SA etc. They haven't agreed freedom of movement have they?
As for May not saying EU national will be able to stay in UK...2 days ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-stay-after-brexit-600000-will-be-given-amne/
She knows they will be able to stay because it's from the Home Office.
As for May not saying EU national will be able to stay in UK...2 days ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-stay-after-brexit-600000-will-be-given-amne/
She knows they will be able to stay because it's from the Home Office.
But how often do these reforms follow a path conducive to a streamlined and flexible European Union? Moves toward an EU Constitution, and ultimately the Lisbon Treaty, were hardly acts of reassurance to those concerned about the centralising influence of Brussels.
Realistic would be the operative word there i think. We as a nation are not advocates of ever closer political union, which runs contrary to the ambitions of Brussels and the Franco-German bloc.
For the most part, peace could have been assured without the EU; not so if we'd lacked the presence of NATO. The European Union was once a very admirable idea, of which the continent could be proud, however as time has passed it has been overtaken by greed and the vanity of politicians. I didn't see a way of reversing this trajectory from within, so there was only one course open to me. Brexit. The UK will adapt and continue to prosper.
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As I just said to you the govt had no choice but to offer EU nationals the right to stay after we exit the EU, it's solely because by law more than 80% of those EU nationals will have earned the right to remain, it's not difficult to understand.
There is a connection between the single market and the free movement of people, the countries you mentioned are not members of the Customs Union they are instead granted access to it at a cost.
In addition you should note that access for goods and services are very different, and considering services make up 80% of our GDP it's even more of a concern.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Not quite "taking back our borders" then.
Not quite "taking back our borders" then.
No chance in hell, enda might as well as resign if he thinks the people will accept that.
I've read this about 10 times recently. We should have this on the top of every page.
Never going to happen. Ignoring the fact we can't actually stop a Polish man entering Ireland since we aren't stupid enough to leave the EU ourselves.
We should work to stop the British immigrants using Ireland and our passports to enter the EU.
I particularly liked the video "100 reasons to embrace Brexit"
We should do the same with British people married to foreigners like for example Nigel Farage
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But the Brexit experts in the government all say it'll be fine. Of course, most of them have enough wealth and income that they can disregard inflation.
Well as said before, the people who are going to be hit the hardest by this will probably be the ones who actually voted for it.
So I'm not a total bullshitter?
Seems not.
Heard the joke about - how do you transform a £30000 BMW into a £40000 BMW, answer - vote leave
People wouldn't accept strengthening our borders if it meant keeping the border between NI and the Republic soft? Think you'd be surprised.
In the piece it says it only applies to people who aren't from the EU? Not sure what Polish people have to do with it.
So are we still at the point where everyone can agree there'll be a short to mid term time of turbulence, but no one knows as to what benefit that'll bring?
I've still, to this very moment, not heard a single good reason as to why this was ever a risk worth taking.
I've still, to this very moment, not heard a single good reason as to why this was ever a risk worth taking.
How much has David Davis been paid to come out of two separate statements now having said absolutely feck all?
But wait, the EU will not impose tariffs over the EU because they will be the one getting hurt. The UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world and it will soon rule the waves again
I wonder how many will remember the glory of 'taking control' once their standard of living plummets and they struggle to make ends meet
The UK being the 5th biggest economy doesn't mean much to a fair few places in the UK that voted to Leave, as they were already struggling a great deal. Essentially voting to Leave because things can't get any worse than they are now, although sadly it seems it will.
I shiver at the thought of what will happen to this great country if the standard of living nosedive. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar will be livid, the working class will feel duped and the government wont have the EU to blame this time round. Its look more evident that a big chunk of the Tory Government didn't even want Brexit in the first place and rode the wave to get Cameron out. Meanwhile Farage played the British like a violin by earning ridiculous money and (pension) despite having the education of a sandwich maker. Its a shame that if Britain goes to shit, he'll probably be in Munich drinking German beer and enjoying the benefits of his dual passport. Oh well
All the warnings that were given were treated as scaremongering, people believed what they wanted to believe and chose to ignore what they didn't want to hear and a lot of them still believe in that promised land although none of them have given any indication of what that promised land is supposed to look like
It looks like Somalia paul
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Irish ministers seem to be in line with the plan to take on the UK's immigration checks. Seems like a good idea to me given the alternatives....
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eland-is-ridiculous-says-irish-mep-matt-carty
Pretty funny if the UK hands off control of its border that quickly though.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eland-is-ridiculous-says-irish-mep-matt-carty
Pretty funny if the UK hands off control of its border that quickly though.
How does that affect the free movement of EU immigrants who will still be allowed into Ireland and thus into Northern Ireland?
"The joint Anglo-Irish border procedures will not be able to stem the arrival of EU nationals, as they will retain the right to free movement to live and work in the Irish Republic. However, this point is seen as moot: officials believe few EU citizens will want to come and work illegally in the UK after Brexit. “The numbers would be very small,” said one diplomatic source familiar with Brexit discussions."
From the Guardian article I posted on the last page.
Anyone planning to move to the eu zone in light of the vote?
I've read the article three times now and thought I'd missed something but I can't see what you have quoted.
In any case the Irish are not going to carry out any more checks than they currently do.
The Irish finance minister and the deputy leader of our main government party have already indicated support for the idea.
In fact, just an hour ago:
It wouldn't be popular but a hard border is pretty much unacceptable, so....
We really should but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't. The focus would be on doing whatever it takes to avoid the alternative.
We also want to avoid the alternative, we will pay
"The prime minister, Theresa May, is facing growing pressure to allow MPs a vote on Brexit and the government is also fighting a legal challenge over the use of royal prerogative to invoke article 50, which triggers the process of leaving the EU."
Am I understanding this correctly, there currently is no clarity whether the PM legally has the authority to trigger article 50? What's this contest between the PM and parliament all about? I always thought it's the parliament who always has the last say, no?!
Am I understanding this correctly, there currently is no clarity whether the PM legally has the authority to trigger article 50? What's this contest between the PM and parliament all about? I always thought it's the parliament who always has the last say, no?!
Royal prerogative are the key words
That's how it used to be but now the UK is taking control.
Rather, it is the precedent of referenda in the UK to honour the spirit and outcome of the vote.
One of the few statements that both sides actually agreed upon.
The outcome of the vote was heavily influenced with the Leaver's promise thrashing a heavily one sided deal with the EU and which would allow the UK to be able to invest 350m a week in the NHS. Is it that outrageous for the parliament to make sure that the government fullfills those promises?
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