Has political correctness actually gone mad?

JustAFan said:
That bit about dreadlocks smelling like weed often gets aimed at "white, hippy" types who get dreadlocks, it's sort of a stereotype.
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I didn't say it doesn't, I just put the two reactions side by side to compare.
Also, like I said there are plenty more examples for different black hairstyles/cultural norms, not just dreadlocks - or limited to hair even.

Classical Mechanic said:
Can this issue really be taken seriously when highlighted by a fashion magazine talking about a Kardashian and a single tweet made by some trashy entertainment journalist though?

It seems your general point is just about racism in general and black people not getting a fair chance in life, which most people would agree with.
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I used one example, that happened to be a fashion magazine, which I only used to compare the differences in reaction. That one example isn't reflective of the entire topic of cultural appropriation. But also just because the source may be trashy doesn't mean the rationale behind the reaction isn't valid.

Cultural appropriation and racism intersect because often times it involves minority racial groups. But it's more about the acknowledgement of people's heritage, and respecting the history or reasoning behind why they may wear a certain garment - which I think is fair, if you can't be bothered to find out about other people's heritage, I don't understand why it's okay to call them sensitive if they feel their traditions aren't being respected.
 
vi1lain said:
As with anything, the topic of cultural appropriation can be taken out of context.

At it's core it's something which happens all the time.

Nobody is saying that people can't learn from cultures, adapt or involve themselves in new cultures - that's cultural assimilation, there's a mutual respect there and often times both sides learn new things.

Cultural appropriation is when you factor in the power dynamic, and as with anything context matters.
You can pick and choose which parts of a culture you enjoy (Native Indian clothing, dreadlocks, sarees etc) but still remain prejudiced against it's people and remain uneducated on the cultural norms behind whichever aspect of the culture you enjoy.
And usually when it's white people who do it, it usually becomes a positive trend and they're seen as innovative/cool/edgy but when the original people do the same things, the negative connotations are still attached.

It's not saying that you, individually are a bad person for wearing a costume. But if you don't care to learn about the culture it came from, you don't have the right to trivialise the feelings of the people who's culture your costume is imitating.

There's much more to be said of it if you want to learn about it, but I guess whole generalisations are easier.
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How often exactly is an actual analysis done of that persons level of understanding about the culture before an accusation of cultural appropriation is made? Because I've seen a lot of SJW types attacking people on social media, and I'm fairly sure they didn't enter into any kind of deep conversation beforehand to gauge their level of learning. Also who exactly gets to decide what an appropriate amount of understanding of a culture is before someone is allowed to have a particular hairstyle or wear an outfit? Wasn't there a story a while back about a white woman who lived in a black area and whose family was largely black, who was hauled over the coals online for having cornrows? Shouldn't she have been fine given she understood the culture?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is a really dumb tweet because it is obviously open to the wrong interpretation. You would expect more from a government organisation.
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The thing is though any negative reaction is out of ignorance and I bet those who got upset made zero effort to find out what the tweet was really about. So feck them.
 
Kentonio said:
How often exactly is an actual analysis done of that persons level of understanding about the culture before an accusation of cultural appropriation is made? Because I've seen a lot of SJW types attacking people on social media, and I'm fairly sure they didn't enter into any kind of deep conversation beforehand to gauge their level of learning. Also who exactly gets to decide what an appropriate amount of understanding of a culture is before someone is allowed to have a particular hairstyle or wear an outfit? Wasn't there a story a while back about a white woman who lived in a black area and whose family was largely black, who was hauled over the coals online for having cornrows? Shouldn't she have been fine given she understood the culture?
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I think the same argument made against SJWs who attack people on social media could be made for those who immediately dismiss the idea of cultural appropriation altogether. Both are broad generalisations that neither side should make.

Anecdotal stories about individuals in select conditions are outliers are not reflective of the actual issue either, you'll always find those it doesn't take away from the actual issue of cultural appropriation. For example another white woman decided she wanted to live her life as a black woman, even accusing others of racial discrimination against her & speaking on behalf of black people and the issues they face.
 
The whole concept of cultural appropriation is just plain stupid. Nobody has a monopoly/exclusive right to follow certain cultural norms. A white person has as much right to wear dreads as a black person. There are not intellectual property rights on these things. It is totally okay to wear any hair-cut or dress without learning anything about the culture that created it – simply because I like the optics. Nobody owns any culture and the outrage of cultural appropriation is down to a horrible understanding of identity and mental identity politics. Anyone should be allowed to find/create/define his own identity.

Racism is still a massive problems; especially minorities suffer from it and everybody should oppose racism. Ironically even the culture of minorities often highlight superficial things like the color of someone’s skin. The whole outrage about Rachel Dolezal was reeking hypocrisy.

The solution? Base your own identity on reasonable things. Nationality, race or skin color shouldn’t play a significant role.
 
Shit man, if I let my hair grow out it naturally becomes an afro. Now I'm milky white, almost transparent. I never realised my hair could culturally misappropriate an entire race of people. My bad.

PS: I hate Nathan Carter.

Edit: being Irish, I suppose there is a chance that I came from a family of slaves. Would this make it ok?
 
vi1lain said:
I think the same argument made against SJWs who attack people on social media could be made for those who immediately dismiss the idea of cultural appropriation altogether. Both are broad generalisations that neither side should make.
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I think generalities are fairly just here, because I think the entire concept of cultural appropriation is largely nonsensical. In the context of a history where minority cultures faced vile and systematic attempts at complete irradication, the idea of this kind of cultural protectionism seems bizarre to me. Plus of course every culture is just an amalgam of other older cultures anyway which it itself 'appropriated' from.
 
I think anyone that has dreadlocks and isn't a glamorous white female is probably gonna look like they smell of weed. There's also probably a reasonable chance they do, white or black.

There was this classic, don't know if it's been mentioned in the past few pages.



He looks like he smells of weed. In fact he actually looks a bit like weed.
 
VeevaVee said:
I think anyone that has dreadlocks and isn't a glamorous white female is probably gonna look like they smell of weed. There's also probably a reasonable chance they do, white or black.

There was this classic, don't know if it's been mentioned in the past few pages.



He looks like he smells of weed. In fact he actually looks a bit like weed.
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Looks more like he smells of pee.
 
VeevaVee said:
I think anyone that has dreadlocks and isn't a glamorous white female is probably gonna look like they smell of weed. There's also probably a reasonable chance they do, white or black.

There was this classic, don't know if it's been mentioned in the past few pages.



He looks like he smells of weed. In fact he actually looks a bit like weed.
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She should have been suspended from the University for her treatment of the dreadlocked guy.
 
I'm not going to go back and forth between various people because in their opinion the concept of cultural appropriation is "nonsensical" or "stupid" - there's no point.

I simply offered an alternative view that hey, maybe, just maybe people's culture is important to them, even though that culture or that person's opinion isn't important to you.

Whatever you may think of SJWs I think telling people how they should or should not feel particularly on an issue as personal as their culture/background - when you aren't a part of that culture/background yourself, is also in pretty poor taste.

But like I said i'm not going to continue going back and forth.
 
I'm just confused by why being proud of your culture means wanting to stop other people adopting parts of it. Especially if your culture came under decades/centuries of attack, isn't it a victory if anything if it then becomes mainstream?
 
vi1lain said:
An example -
Kylie Jenner got dreadlocks about a year or so ago - and all the fashion magazines praised her "new" "edgy" "zany" look.
Zendaya (black/mixed race actress) also got dreadlocks not so long afterwards - those same fashion magazines said she looked like smelled like weed.
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Is that even true though? I can find only one such comment by someone called Giuliana Rancic on a tv show. You need more to make such a sweeping statement.
JustAFan said:
That bit about dreadlocks smelling like weed often gets aimed at "white, hippy" types who get dreadlocks, it's sort of a stereotype.
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Indeed.
 
Kentonio said:
I'm just confused by why being proud of your culture means wanting to stop other people adopting parts of it. Especially if your culture came under decades/centuries of attack, isn't it a victory if anything if it then becomes mainstream?
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It's like hipsters complaining about their undiscovered bands being underrated, and when they make it big they're not cool anymore.
 
Kinda like being a City fan and moaning when some Chinese tourists show up at a match.
 
vi1lain said:
I'm not going to go back and forth between various people because in their opinion the concept of cultural appropriation is "nonsensical" or "stupid" - there's no point.

I simply offered an alternative view that hey, maybe, just maybe people's culture is important to them, even though that culture or that person's opinion isn't important to you.

Whatever you may think of SJWs I think telling people how they should or should not feel particularly on an issue as personal as their culture/background - when you aren't a part of that culture/background yourself, is also in pretty poor taste.

But like I said i'm not going to continue going back and forth.
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Will you stop wearing pants and shirt because a white man claims cultural appropriation? We are a global village now, products are sold globally. It's not Elvis Presley stealing the black music you know, just about wearing sarees and sporting dreadlocks.
 
Ah, sacking demands. As old as twitter outrage. Just recently there were requests to YCombinator to sever its ties with Peter Thiel, architect of Gawker's downfall, because of his Trump support. Led by that genius behind Reddit's golden ye..months, Ellen Pao.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
Ah, sacking demands. As old as twitter outrage. Just recently there were requests to YCombinator to sever its ties with Peter Thiel, architect of Gawker's downfall, because of his Trump support. Led by that genius behind Reddit's golden ye..months, Ellen Pao.
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And seemingly supported by the Guardian. Quelle surprise- the left wing press can be as rabid and self-serving as the right.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nations-facebook-zuckerberg-support-diversity
 
Too many blacks in the panto for Mr angry from Sevenoaks.

After being shocked by his complaint, they tried to reassure him the show featured a mix of actors from all backgrounds.
His reaction was: "Yes, but there are still five of them."
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