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You're talking about people who thought possible to conclude trade deals with individual EU countries bypassing the EU commission completely. They don't have a clue of what they are doing
Are your investments in foreign currencies? Does that explain why you're not bothered about the fall in the pound/ effects of a hard Brexit?
The majority are British at this time. However i've stated since the outset that i was prepared to accept a personal economic cost in the pursuit of Breixit. Petty manoeuvring by MPs who would gladly bring down the entire Brexit process, now stands to exacerbate all of our difficulties.
of course. Just look at the USA and the influence of congress on these matters...
There's something beautiful about all the people shouting about 'taking our country back' now complaining about your parliament's sovereignty.
How dare a democratically elected commons, who we vote for in order to make decisions and choices on our behalf, get oversight on the biggest constitutional change (on which no vote has taken place) to the country in recent times.
'Unelected judges' is a rather bewildering and frankly worrying complaint to make.
This is going so well
Cameron is probably hoping that people concentrate on the pig head fecking thing to distract from his more embarrassing screw ups.
Cameron is probably hoping that people concentrate on the pig head fecking thing to distract from his more embarrassing screw ups.
After reading a couple of articles it just sounds like a timing issue bundled into this whole thing. Can't imagine and hope MPs wouldn't vote against Brexit now.
like the woman banging on about sacking judges (presumably because they arrived a a decision she does not like)... and this is a woman standing for leadership of a major UK political party
That's exactly what I thought, I can't really believe that something like that has been produced.
They know full well there will be riots, so they wont vote against it.
Not a Bre idiot
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/brexit-will-be-titanic-success-says-boris-johnson
Brexit will be Titanic success, says Boris Johnson
“It sank,” said former chancellor George Osborne, who was presenting Johnson with his award.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/brexit-will-be-titanic-success-says-boris-johnson
Brexit will be Titanic success, says Boris Johnson
“It sank,” said former chancellor George Osborne, who was presenting Johnson with his award.
like the woman banging on about sacking judges (presumably because they arrived a a decision she does not like)... and this is a woman standing for leadership of a major UK political party
Straight out of the Donald Trump book of reactions to losing.
Think they will be more bothered about losing their jobs TBH.
Farage is concerned about a 'half-Brexit'... but wouldn't this be fair enough given only half the electorate voted for Brexit?
On the bright side
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...ro-currency-exchange-high-court-a7394951.html
Brexit legal challenge: Pound rises as High Court rules against Theresa May triggering Article 50 without Parliament
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...ro-currency-exchange-high-court-a7394951.html
Brexit legal challenge: Pound rises as High Court rules against Theresa May triggering Article 50 without Parliament
The UK's ratification of TTIP, for example, would not have required a Commons vote of approval. Or such is my understanding. The authority to do so rests with the Government.
Funny, watching brexiters lose their shit.
All this is their fault. They won the vote without even formulating any practical plan as to how Brexit would actually look or the process taking us through it. Absolute mugs.
I find that crazy, international treaties affects several generations, it's hard to make them disappear because they affect to many aspects of people's and companies' lives. To me the vote of the parliament and a qualified majority are mandatory before their ratifications.
The country's negotiating position can be harmed well enough, simply through delays and by diluting our opening proposal. They could also withhold their support, unless there is a commitment to remain in the single market at all costs (or similarly maintain the ECJ's primacy).
Far from loosing my shit.
As others have pointed out, MP's aren't going to vote against the will of the people, they'd be concerned about their jobs first and foremost. All the calls for a General Election would benefit the Conservatives too. I really couldn't see Labour having much of an impact and if people who voted leave feel their vote is threatened, they'd likely just move to UKIP giving them a huge boost.
At the end of the day, Article 50 will still be activated, and most likely within the time line stated, but there will be a lot more discussion and headaches to deal with.
The title made me think we were getting a Fallout spin-off based here after brexit. Pretty disappointed.
A "half Brexit" seems about right, 52% is only about half of the voters wanting it anyway. Maybe just kick the top 52% of the country out?
A "half Brexit" seems about right, 52% is only about half of the voters wanting it anyway. Maybe just kick the top 52% of the country out?
It was always a non-binding referendum, this was known at the time, so anyone losing their shit over the fact that parliament has to vote is a bit daft really, they absolutely should be voting.
We should just half-leave, half-stay
It would be a pretty major border if the Leavy-bit leaves the customs union, but I can live with that.
In other european countries, both CETA and TTIP need to go through parliament. I don't know how this is handled in Britain, but it certainly has nothing to do with the EU.
Yeah I really dont understand.
I voted remain. But I understand that the majority of the country who voted, voted leave. So really, we have to leave. But it was a non binding referendum, so parliament needs to have a vote on it. But the MPs will vote to leave because thats what the people did. So it's fine.
What the government doesn't want to do is tell parliament their plan. Because they dont have a plan.
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What leavers are saying is that, parliament should not be allowed to vote on the biggest treaty change in half a century.
In which universe does that make sense?
The count case was only going to have one outcome.
In which universe does that make sense?
The count case was only going to have one outcome.
Although it was not a legal requirement by the uk government I do think its lkely they would have sought parliamentary approval... constitutionally it is required in most countries (well all except us and malta)
I do wonder if the government will try and challenge the courts ruling - I suspect not as it will just take too long - probably a snap vote in the next couple of days instead?
Ref TTIP
2. Ratification process of the parliaments: single or multi-chamber systems
• In all Member States except for Malta and the UK a parliamentary approval process is necessary – the country’s constitutions define the approval procedure’s conditions and determine which chambers of parliament are involved in the decision-making.
• The following states are unicameral: Bulgaria, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Croatia, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Portugal, Sweden, Slovakia, Hungary, Cyprus.
• CETA and TTIP have to be passed through two parliamentary chambers in: Belgium, Germany, France, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Romania, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Republic.
3. Where are Referenda for Ratification possible?
• In half of all Member States referenda on the approval of international treaties are possible: Bulgaria, Denmark, France, Greece, Ireland, Croatia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Great Britain. Certain requirements have to be complied with in each country.
• Parliaments, Presidents and/or governments can initiate a referendum in the following countries: Bulgaria, Denmark, France, Greece, Austria, Poland, Romania, United Kingdom.
• Citizens themselves can initiate a referendum in the following countries:
➢ Croatia: 10 percent of the eligible voters can request a referendum from parliament.
➢ Lithuania: 300,000 citizens can call on their parliament for a referendum;
➢ Slovakia: A question e.g. through a citizens petition can be defined to be of “public interest.” The country’s Constitutional Court then examines if a referendum will be consistent with the constitution.
➢ Hungary: 200,000 eligible voters or 100,000 eligible voters and the President can propose a referendum;
➢ The Netherlands: since July 2015 300,000 citizens can request a non-binding referendum from their Parliament.
"Parliament should be sovereign, not Brussels!"
"Okay let's vote on article 50"
"This is treason."
"Okay let's vote on article 50"
"This is treason."
The government's language suggests, they know it's a farce. "we will make the best of it, we don't want a running commentary".
The whole thing is a waste of time.
You're making the mistake of thinking that being in a democracy means we matter in any way.
According to this (no idea how reliable), the parliament of every European member state except the UK and Malta has to ratify the agreement. No idea why that would be different for us?
Nobody believes A50 won't be triggered. But parliament will have a say and that's what matters.
The biggest farce I have ever known.
lets appeal to the European court of human rights about it?
This is really embarrassing, you have to laugh.
Well done 52%, good job.
Well done 52%, good job.
The way Leaver's talk, one would think 90% of the country voted for it.