See where he's coming from, but at the end of the day, if you're injured you can't play. Hard to really comment on it without knowing too much about injury specifics.
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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I'm not sure why people are criticizing Mourinho here. Klopp literally said the same thing a few times at Liverpool already while Fergie said the same before. He would praise people like Ronaldo who play no matter what, even if they feel pain, and still give 100%. Klopp called out Sturridge directly basically. Mourinho said it as like a general trend that has been happening the last few years, where players are overly cautious and don't seem fully committed because they'll back out over a little injury, instead of dying to play in every single game regardless of little niggles.
Jose said it is a problem with culture over a few years.
He wants to change it. Those players who are willing to listen to him will be the ones he is going to build his team around.
Obviously players like Shaw and mikhi will be gone if they don't change.
He wants to change it. Those players who are willing to listen to him will be the ones he is going to build his team around.
Obviously players like Shaw and mikhi will be gone if they don't change.
This a 100%.
He's literally just come back from a broken leg. Just because he's physically healed doesn't mean he mentally is. Comments like this are only going to make things wayyyyyy worse.
Yep, I think this is what these players need, and if they can't handle it then what's the point anyway. Babying them certainly hasn't worked these past couple years, they are more than happy to pass the blame.
I don't think he's throwing them under the bus though. I think he's trying to push them and challenge their mentality. Take Mkhitaryan for example, if he reacts the right way and takes on board the criticism, Mourinho will respect this. These players need to prove that they have what it takes to bounce back from criticism and perform at the very highest level, because that's where Mourinho wants us to be.
Yeah this.
Remember Klopp also made a comment about Sturridge and referring to playing through pain... not in those exact words but something close to it. Haven't heard any moaning from Sturridge since then.
It might as Well be Mourinho trying to shift the blame from himself. We just don't know.
People on here have said Zlatan doesn't look bothered, but still he is playing.
I get that, but not sure we can say for certain that Shaw was being a pussy. I'm trying to look at this as more of an isolated incident.
No he does not because the fans can do one. As a fan, I gave him my trust and he can do his job peacefully behind closed door without turning the club into a telenovela.
If it is Shaw, can you blame a lad who missed an entire season to injury if he's a little worried about something small turning into something long term? (sore muscle turning into a pull/tear).
Another thread where people come to hard conclusions based on assumption and mind reading
These players need to be the first to be shown the door, and I couldnt care less if it is Shaw or Martial or whoever. I only want the players who have the desire to play. Bunch of p*ssies
Absolutley behind Jose here. About time some of the gutless has beens and never will bes get a dose of reality. Say what you like about the likes of fellaini, but he is always available when called on and gives 110%. More of a Utd player than some pansies at the club will ever be
He did say that. Basically said he was a bit soft. You either take it on board and toughen up or you go off in a sulk and play for a smaller club.
There has been no evidence of a cuddly approach having ever been applied. The previous regime was under LvG who was also known as 'Iron Tulip'.
And that is the problem we have with the attitude at United. Player power.
Whats to say he hasn't been doing this behind closed doors and the soft fecks are just not listening and drip feeding the anti Mourinho reports.
He woke up today, thought feck the little shits and gone to town on em.
Mourinho is the main man at United and the players need to be aware of that. They cannot dictate if and when they play or try.
Under SAF we had this untouchable manager and the players knew that! Since he left the players have tried to share the power between them and started mutiny's and been cnuts.
Give Mourinho the full reigns and have the board say this publicly to let the players no that under no circumstances are they running the show.
He woke up today, thought feck the little shits and gone to town on em.
Mourinho is the main man at United and the players need to be aware of that. They cannot dictate if and when they play or try.
Under SAF we had this untouchable manager and the players knew that! Since he left the players have tried to share the power between them and started mutiny's and been cnuts.
Give Mourinho the full reigns and have the board say this publicly to let the players no that under no circumstances are they running the show.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/29/louis-van-gaal-luke-shaw-manchester-united
hoping Shaw responds positively and puts a lid on his brother...bitching never helps and it's clear Shaw is out of shape....
correct me if I'm wrong but Shaw's first season was a bit of a write off under Van Gaal due to fitness
hoping Shaw responds positively and puts a lid on his brother...bitching never helps and it's clear Shaw is out of shape....
correct me if I'm wrong but Shaw's first season was a bit of a write off under Van Gaal due to fitness
Still protected the players though, even when shit, abuse and leaks were being thrown left right and centre at him. LVG's a decent man - too decent for these modern footballers.
He only said that after signing him. Since then Shaw worked hard to be put in the team despite fitness issues and during season season started off well before he broke his leg.
We have no idea what is actually wrong with Shaw. Could have pulled out for a valid reason. Why say if he's fine if he's not and risk picking up serious injury if he played today? Imagine if he played and ended up coming off after an hour, people would be saying its pathetic of the player to be playing when not fully fit.
This 100%
He's played in 11 of our games this season, not including pre season so he's got enough games under his belt to be match fit. If he's not over his leg break mentally yet then that's not going to help anyone. How can we build a team when we rely on him but he's not feeling up to it? I accept he had a horrid injury and he's over it physically (which I'm really glad about) but I doubt he'll play regularly until he's over it mentally and that's not helping the team or himself.
That's what I think has happened and he's lost patience. They just keep moaning to the press. I'd have gone ballistic as well.
I'd rather him not bring this drama out into the open. He did that at Chelsea and look how that ended.
This.
Remember he was dropped for a bit until Bailly's injury. That resulted in Blind being removed to CB and Shaw being put back in the starting lineup, perhaps before he was physically ready.
Is it really ONLY the players though? he only did this last season and it did not work.
He dropped and criticised Hazard (and also said his players betrayed him) last year and he lost him for the year. Do you blame that on hazard being comfortable? Or jose not being able to read players?
Feels like he's gotten shorter and less patient with players as he's progressed aswell. To me, the guy just creates divisions and makes excuses to shift blame away from him and he loses his players. Cahill said that as much.
Fellaini is outstanding in his mentality to be honest. He might not have a big future here, i dont know, but hats off to the guy for showing he's got the bollocks to play for us. Even when all the fans were all over him, he always forgot about it and gave 100% on the pitch. I have nothing but respect for him in that sense.
Let's just hope the players get the message about who's in charge and that they have to buck up and put the hard work in and keep their mouths and egos in check. Then hopefully we won't need to hear Mourinho call them out in public again.
He's making an arse of a fantastic opportunity here.
What these players who are going behind his back don't seem to have realised is that while they could bitch and moan to the press before with Mourinho it is different, he has friends in the media too.
Thing is he isn't even on about those who went off to the press bitching and moaning. Not seen Shaw do that. Yes, his brother went on a rant on twitter but you can hardly control family.
Rooney's the one going off to the press by all accounts and he hasn't been criticised to this extent.
I know we have to support the manager but guys come on, Shaw has missed a year of football through a horror injury it cant be a surprise that he wants to avoid any long term injury through playing even when his body says he shouldn't . Smalling tried to be tough and played with an injury against Chelsea we all saw what happened. Mkhitaryan played against city when he had not fully recovered and only worsened things. We cant judge anything from the outside, we don't know whether it was a muscle type thing or a knock.
The good news for Shaw is he just has to look at Mata. And he will be fine.
Well we are living in modern times and as times change so do footballers and their attitudes. One of the very reasons Fergie lasted so long at our club was because he adapted to the changing times.
So throwing these 'modern footballers' under the bus publicly isn't exactly going to help in anyway when you have to work with them on a day to day basis. As I said this approach is only going to end one way, and that's with a sacking of the manager. If Jose doesn't adapt he will suffer the same fate.
Fully behind Jose here. A lot of our players are lacking the winning mentality, are fragile and sheltered human beings. They basically lack that needed instinct to be the best. If Jose wants to weed the garden then by all means do you thing Mourinho.
Luke Shaw is a tricky one. The kid has come back from a horrible injury and deserves time, but if Jose can see that Shaw has a problem with his character, then I would let him go. He's a talented player, but we've had plenty of passengers over the past few years. After all, we've got rid of plenty of better players than Shaw and that was one of the reasons why we were so successful.
Luke Shaw is a tricky one. The kid has come back from a horrible injury and deserves time, but if Jose can see that Shaw has a problem with his character, then I would let him go. He's a talented player, but we've had plenty of passengers over the past few years. After all, we've got rid of plenty of better players than Shaw and that was one of the reasons why we were so successful.
There is way more player power at Real, Bayern and Barca
Maybe he's not mentally ready to play yet, I though by this stage of the season he'd be an ever present. With him dipping in and out of the team isn't helping us, we need consistency in our defence to build off.