So many people defending this bullshit. It's shocking management. Shut the feck up. Do it at the training ground, take a positive where you can find it. Who has ever seen this style of man-management working in any sphere? It's not them against us, that I can understand. It's us against us. I'm worried.
It's good. It's out there now, so these players don't just have Mourinho to prove themselves to, but everyone else. Especially us United fans.So many people defending this bullshit. It's shocking management. Shut the feck up. Do it at the training ground, take a positive where you can find it. Who has ever seen this style of man-management working in any sphere? It's not them against us, that I can understand. It's us against us. I'm worried.
So many people defending this bullshit. It's shocking management. Shut the feck up. Do it at the training ground, take a positive where you can find it. Who has ever seen this style of man-management working in any sphere? It's not them against us, that I can understand. It's us against us. I'm worried.
How is it poor management? As you said different players require different approach. So how is good management dealing with players who doesn't feel like corrected, and having associates running around bad mouth the manager? Ignore and more in house talk (which they don't listen). See how that did to LVG.I think it's understandable that Shaw might be hesitant to play through an injury. He's had a frustrating couple of years with injuries so if playing means risking aggravation it's fair enough.
If Mourinho's digging him out for that I think it suggests poor man management, different players have different needs.
Same. Glad a manager is taking a tough approach with this groupI like it.
How is it poor management? As you said different players require different approach. So how is good management dealing with players who doesn't feel like corrected, and having associates running around bad mouth the manager? Ignore and more in house talk (which they don't listen). See how that did to LVG.
I wouldn't say big games. LVG's record in big games are quite decent. It's more like when thing get tough, even vs lesser teams. Whenever the pressure on, theese group of players often take a hiding. There a bunches of false dawn under LVG, but whenever the expectation is upped, this bunch was able to pull the expectation back down.After the Chelsea game I was livid with this Utd squad. Too often they have let us down and embarrassed us with weak, lilly livered displays in big games.
I for one am happy that Mourinho is noticing those who have the right minerals to take us forward and those who do not. As SAF once said: " Men win football matches, not tactics".
The difference is one is a manger other are players. SAF could use whatever mean to write his own view. The players would have to swallow it or find a new clubs. Or we run this club like Real madrid with every players and associates have their own agenda and managers have to compromise all.If you are going to blame the players for their assoiciates bad mouthing the player you have to do the same for Mourinho with the comments from Schwarzer and Jose Morais.
It's good. It's out there now, so these players don't just have Mourinho to prove themselves to, but everyone else. Especially us United fans.
How is it poor management? As you said different players require different approach. So how is good management dealing with players who doesn't feel like corrected, and having associates running around bad mouth the manager? Ignore and more in house talk (which they don't listen). See how that did to LVG.
So many people defending this bullshit. It's shocking management. Shut the feck up. Do it at the training ground, take a positive where you can find it. Who has ever seen this style of man-management working in any sphere? It's not them against us, that I can understand. It's us against us. I'm worried.
I wouldn't say big games. LVG's record in big games are quite decent. It's more like when thing get tough, even vs lesser teams. Whenever the pressure on, theese group of players often take a hiding. There a bunches of false dawn under LVG, but whenever the expectation is upped, this bunch was able to pull the expectation back down.
Maybe football isn't a fight? Liverpool are top of the league with players like Coutinho, Lallana and Firmino. None of those players screams fighter to me but they have a degree of talent and are clearly being motivated and coached well. That's good management.
I think Mourinho has got to a point in his career where he's doing what he's always done and people don't buy it anymore. He could try to adapt but he'd rather sneer at Einsteins anytime he manages a win. That's bad management for me. I hope I'm wrong but in my view he'll probably limp on for a season or two, alienating a bunch of talented players in the meantime, before he leaves cursing the world for not being the same.
EXACTLY.So many people defending this bullshit. It's shocking management. Shut the feck up. Do it at the training ground, take a positive where you can find it. Who has ever seen this style of man-management working in any sphere? It's not them against us, that I can understand. It's us against us. I'm worried.
It's annoying that United have had these problems over the last 3 years and not City
City are literally built on mercenaries who only play for money, whereas United is built on prestige and class. It should be a City problem not a United one.
Anyway hopefully Mourinho sorts it out
Most former pros commenting on this say they were rarely 100%. That isn't just football either.This is a job. At the end of the day, if you're injured, you shouldn't play repeatedly. What would your doctor say? Rest.
It's all well and good calling for players to play through injuries but that's how they get fecked and finish their career's early and have problems later in life.
Who brought this to the public first?Oh Christ. Well like I say, I'd be obliged if either of you could furnish me with an example of where scattergun public character assassination of your employees has ever proved productive or motivational. Nothing I've seen of Luke Shaw, for example, has ever indicated that he needed reminding of the privileged position he's in.
EXACTLY.So many people defending this bullshit. It's shocking management. Shut the feck up. Do it at the training ground, take a positive where you can find it. Who has ever seen this style of man-management working in any sphere? It's not them against us, that I can understand. It's us against us. I'm worried.
totally agree. It is one thing to do it deliberately in few specific occasions. That can make sense. We are 11 matches into the EPL season and he already complained 5-6 times about various different players. That is just a recipe for disaster. He just can't shut up.So many people defending this bullshit. It's shocking management. Shut the feck up. Do it at the training ground, take a positive where you can find it. Who has ever seen this style of man-management working in any sphere? It's not them against us, that I can understand. It's us against us. I'm worried.
Yea I've heard that but are they old enough for chronic problems due to repeatedly playing injured to have really manifested I wouldn't have thought.Most former pros commenting on this say they were rarely 100%. That isn't just football either.
Most former pros commenting on this say they were rarely 100%. That isn't just football either.
EXACTLY.
We're already constantly put to the sword by the media and detractors, the best way to work past such is stick together and that should be starting with the manager setting and leading by example.
It should be us against the world, not us against us.
And frankly speaking most of these problems about our squad and players have been started and fuelled by Mourinho himself by constantly giving the media something to hop on.
All these talks about player x and y being this and that are being thrown around because of Mourinho himself. He just can't shut the feck up. He gets hurt then run his mouth publicly while selling out his players and some people think that's some sort of good management.
People might moan about modern players and all that bla but if times change then managers have to adapt. The state of the game is different from 10 years ago and top managers can adapt.
What are all these public digs even accomplishing? Not much positive. But in can think of tone of negative it can easily bring.
For someone who lost his latest 2 jobs because of internal feuds with his own players, the guy seemed to have not learned much.
All his personal wars with his players have only brought turbulence in his dressing rooms and his sacking. So why be thick and continue on the same path that got you sacked from your 2 previous jobs?
SERIOUSLY what EXACTLY is Mou trying to accomplish with his public digs against his OWN players.
This is a job. At the end of the day, if you're injured, you shouldn't play repeatedly. What would your doctor say? Rest.
It's all well and good calling for players to play through injuries but that's how they get fecked and finish their career's early and have problems later in life.
Frankly appalled at the high-handed opinions of posters here. Did you even consider that players have to look after their bodies?
His comments intimate he feels all big players should play through injuries and that he's pretty intolerant of anyone who won't do so. I don't see how such a one dimensional approach can be seen as good man management.How is it poor management? As you said different players require different approach. So how is good management dealing with players who doesn't feel like corrected, and having associates running around bad mouth the manager? Ignore and more in house talk (which they don't listen). See how that did to LVG.
EXACTLY.
We're already constantly put to the sword by the media and detractors, the best way to work past such is stick together and that should be starting with the manager setting and leading by example.
It should be us against the world, not us against us.
And frankly speaking most of these problems about our squad and players have been started and fuelled by Mourinho himself by constantly giving the media something to hop on.
All these talks about player x and y being this and that are being thrown around because of Mourinho himself. He just can't shut the feck up. He gets hurt then run his mouth publicly while selling out his players and some people think that's some sort of good management.
People might moan about modern players and all that bla but if times change then managers have to adapt. The state of the game is different from 10 years ago and top managers can adapt.
What are all these public digs even accomplishing? Not much positive. But in can think of tone of negative it can easily bring.
For someone who lost his latest 2 jobs because of internal feuds with his own players, the guy seemed to have not learned much.
All his personal wars with his players have only brought turbulence in his dressing rooms and his sacking. So why be thick and continue on the same path that got you sacked from your 2 previous jobs?
SERIOUSLY what EXACTLY is Mou trying to accomplish with his public digs against his OWN players.
... which is one of the reasons they get paid £££££££.
Plus their doctor actually prescribes anti inflammatories / pain killers to play through the pain. so their doctors say... play.
I guarantee you united would be half as successful without players playing through pain for the past 20 years. delusional if you think otherwise. top level sport requires dedication like few other things.
Shearer and murphy on motd2 both said they apent most of their careers playing when not 100% fit. its par for the course in just about any sport.
What's more worrying is that he lost Chelsea dressing room and back room staff less than a year ago. One will think that he will at least learn from that instead of going gung ho so early in the season.EXACTLY.
We're already constantly put to the sword by the media and detractors, the best way to work past such is stick together and that should be starting with the manager setting and leading by example.
It should be us against the world, not us against us.
And frankly speaking most of these problems about our squad and players have been started and fuelled by Mourinho himself by constantly giving the media something to hop on.
All these talks about player x and y being this and that are being thrown around because of Mourinho himself. He just can't shut the feck up. He gets hurt then run his mouth publicly while selling out his players and some people think that's some sort of good management.
People might moan about modern players and all that bla but if times change then managers have to adapt. The state of the game is different from 10 years ago and top managers can adapt.
What are all these public digs even accomplishing? Not much positive. But in can think of tone of negative it can easily bring.
For someone who lost his latest 2 jobs because of internal feuds with his own players, the guy seemed to have not learned much.
All his personal wars with his players have only brought turbulence in his dressing rooms and his sacking. So why be thick and continue on the same path that got you sacked from your 2 previous jobs?
SERIOUSLY what EXACTLY is Mou trying to accomplish with his public digs against his OWN players.
Interesting that Red Nev retweetef this:
Whilst I generally agree and I'm behind Mourinho on this my slight reservation is in being too harsh on a young lad who suffered a horrific leg break just a year ago.
I think there are a few possible reasons for going to the press. If he's about to leave certain players out then he might want the fans to understand why it's happening before they turn on him. It also puts that extra pressure on the players to prove to everyone that they are giving their all, because thats what the supporters and everybody watching will now be looking for in the players.
Of course you have to make certain sacrifices, I'm not denying that. Really I'm just saying we don't know the full facts so I'm putting a counter point forward.
As other mentioned Shearer agreed pro often not playing at their 100%. Ronaldo was playing with an injury during the run in of 2008 and in the EURO with Portugal before getting ankle (?) surgery in the beginning of new season...His comments intimate he feels all big players should play through injuries and that he's pretty intolerant of anyone who won't do so. I don't see how such a one dimensional approach can be seen as good man management.
It might go some way to explaining why Mkhitaryan is out of favour too when it looked like he was brought back prematurely for the City game.
Again, who undermine who first question?It's the public aspect that most people are questioning, not the desire to get players on the park. You're humiliated publicly, it stays with you. I don't get where Mourinho gets his payback for this strategy.
Surprised he's called out Shaw for the reasons already stated. Smalling though, I don't care, really glad he's called him out. I'm still pissed at that pathetic "performance" he put in against Chelsea. Made captain on Mou's homecoming, precedes to be at fault for 3 if not all 4 goals. It wasn't even the defending that bothered me as much as the weak mentality he showed. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him again in a United shirt.
