The bit that really infuriates is the fact that when you point this out, when you express anger regarding baseless lies and appalling open bigotry, you are accused of being a privileged liberal elitist as if these movements are backed by the working class en masse and that the working class is an inherently right wing group.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-citizenship-after-brexit-says-top-negotiator
Interesting. I definitely want to retain my European rights either through this route or by taking up Irish citizenship.
Interesting. I definitely want to retain my European rights either through this route or by taking up Irish citizenship.
I love the idea, but it's going to be a bitch to get it through the required treaty change. Unless the UK government continues to be obnoxious, and the other 27 push it through as a feck you. I could live with that. 
I doubt it will happen though. Again its a cherry picking procedure the eu wouldnt want. Someone is bound to veto it
The uk might encourage it by offering the same thing to eu citizens which would be fair enough in these circumstances. We know that they are too xeno erm keen to get control over the borders to do so. Out should be out
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Perhaps Major is unpopular but he's still by far the best Prime Minister there's been in my lifetime. Which is laughable when you consider how shit he was.
That's a terrible idea, we give citizenship or we don't but we definitely shouldn't sell it.
It sounds wrong in principle but given the Brexit voters think that the EU takes half our income tax and gives us nothing for it let them sit back smug and happy out of the EU, those of us who appreciate it and know the average tax payer contributes under £50 a year. I'd happily personally stump up the £80 a year my income tax presently contributes to the EU, in fact feck it I'd pay double that to retain an EU passport and the free movement rights I presently have and Europe would be a nicer place knowing that the mouth breathers will be staying in the UK making Blackpool great again as they refuse to pay £20 for a visa to trash Benidorm.
When I first read that I thought that was bonkers, but having thought about it, the leftie, socialist in me actually agrees
More of a testament to how bad everyone else has been after him. Blair started off well until he went full on Neocon.
Yeah I'm doing the Irish thing... but the wifey can't plus I hate to think that my sons chances to travel and work could be so limited in comparison to those that I have had... I'd happily pay to retain the rights
Don't think he is that unpopular anymore, he's so boring that it's hard to hold a feeling on him long term. Except for my dad, who calls him a tosspot at every opportunity.
The Irish thing is as bit of a task as I will have to galvanise my parents into sorting some documents. I believe your kids are only entitled if you take up citizenship before they are born.
Yup, my mum's doing it but I'm not eligible
Yup, my mum's doing it but I'm not eligible
Hopefully some sort of arrangement will be sought for those of us that wish to retain our European rights and voted remain.
What rights are you hoping to retain?
FoM. If I have kids then things like Erasmus.
Ah. I see
Why would any brexiter want eu citizenship? Dont you want others to takecontrol over their borders against you as you want to take control over your borders against them?
Surely the tory/brexit government will offer something similar. They care of the commoners unlike the eu dictatorship
Cake and eat it. See Bozo Johnson.
Reminds me of some brexiter who was spotted in the German embasy few days after the brexit vote. Weird. Why would they want citizenship to this failed dictatorship when the uk will soon be great again?
Insurance policies come in handy.Especially the reasonably priced ones. Why lose FoM for yourself when you can let others lose it ? All that's required in some cases is a bit of hypocrisy.
Is that including the ones on their head though?
I am not a Brexiteer.
So that post wasn't meant for you
There again, I find it disturbing that the citizens of a country who left the EU mostly because they want to close the door to EU immigration would give UK immigrants EU citizenship.
Presumably they wouldn't take it up. They could make it available only for those that voted remain. I wonder if they have a voting database?
That will go to European court which would probably end up being offered to every UK citizen. Its also a dangerous precedent which will be exploited by all those who are thinking leaving the EU. Out means out. Let the UK make a success out of it without our help. I am pretty sure that some non liberal tree hugging EU country will see it that way and veto any deal
Id rather see the EU giving a chance for Scotland and Northern Ireland to join the EU as long as they leave the UK and impose borders on England/Wales then this sort of cherry picking deal
Who could have seen that coming?
Where did you read that?
More people in England voted to remain than in Scotland and N Ireland combined. More people in London alone probably. Insidting on a vindictive, punitive stance will risk further disintegration of the EU. Basically it's down to Germany and it tends to be relatively pragmatic.
You are not getting a buyable citizenship, that's the pragmatic stance.
I am looking forward to the referendum in Italy next week, polls suggesting reform will be rejected. a fun year ahead for Europe.
They say things come in threes
Its not a vindictive punitive stance. Brexit should be Brexit for both the EU citizens and the UK citizens. In is In and Out should be out on both ways. Since Northern Ireland and Scotland had been dragged out of the EU against their will then they should be given the chance to decide to be either part of the EU or part of the UK. However if they do decide to be part of the EU then the UK will be a foreign country to them just like non EU countries currently are.
Once the UK is out of the EU the UK will have zero influence in what happens in the EU same as the EU shouldn't have any influence on what happens in the UK (unless of course it wants to sell in the single market, in that case rules will apply). Sovreignity should work both ways.
The EU should allow space for negotiation of course, but its should be a tit for tat type of negotiation. If the UK citizens want to retain the chance of being EU citizens by paying a fee then the UK should offer a similar deal to all EU citizens. What's good for the goose...
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I am talking in general. In my opinion, once the UK is out then its out. Which mean no preferential access to the single market, no e-way to EU citizenship and no say in European matters. The UK will be similar to China, Mexico or Iran for all that matter.
Northern Ireland and Scotland should be given the opportunity to choose if they prefer the EU or the UK but that's all.
Well that shouldn't be your concern since you're leaving Europe.
If Italy leaves the EU then good luck for them trying to find jobs for the horde of Italian expats spread throughout all Europe who will be sent back home. I travel alot in mainland Europe and you can barely walk in any European street without hearing someone speaking in Italian. Things will get even worse if the EU decides to issue a hard border with Italy. Immigrants will be stuck in Italy with nowhere to go. That would be interesting
Maybe the Italians should consider voting more wisely instead of blaming the EU for it woes. In the past 25 years they had voted for a politician who organised orgies at his home, mafia linked politicians, communists, racists who blamed the South for every woe only to be later discovered that they bought diamonds out from taxpayer's money + they look set for voting for a comedian (a real comedian not the Boris/Farage like)
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Has very little to do with Europe though.
I didn't. It was just a daft idea.
Here is another one
They could allow current UK citizens the chance to pay an annual fee for membership, then after ten years of continuous fees grant permanent citizenship that you have the option of passing down to your children. Offer is only open to adults at the time of exit.
I have no complaints to that but only if the uk offers the same deal to all eu people