Some praise for Jose

How is the Mkhitaryan situation a Jose masterstroke though? He didn't even feature on the bench. How is that supposed to help Mkhitaryan get used to the league or the team. Mkhitaryan was this good before already, differently to Kagawa he actually did win Bundesliga player of the season!!

That's like giving Jose credit for De Bruyne's development because he magically knew Chelsea wasn't the right club for him at the time and secretly wanted him to gain confidence somewhere else before coming back to the Prem.
Or you might just as well give Jose credit for Bastian's contribution to the 4th goal. Had he not been banned from training with the first team, and completely written off, Bastian wouldn't have shown the desire to run down the flank before the 4th goal tonight...right?


Aside of that Jose obviously deserves praise for other things as for example getting the offense clicking again and perhaps even Rooney's resurrection! Great to see him in this form.
 
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Summit said:
We were playing the same team tonight, so why not play miki in the PL?
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I would imagine each player has to be utilized situationally based on their training, attitude, form, fitness, the opposition etc. Its easy to say Mkhitaryan is fantastic therefore Mourinho should've played him 10 games ago, but we simply don't know the nuances of what was going on behind the scenes in terms of the factors I just cited.
 
Raoul said:
I would imagine each player has to be utilized situationally based on their training, attitude, form, fitness, the opposition etc. Its easy to say Mkhitaryan is fantastic therefore Mourinho should've played him 10 games ago, but we simply don't know the nuances of what was going on behind the scenes in terms of the factors I just cited.
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I get that, but he was clearly ready to played last week! We seen him in the game prior and he was fantastic. Lingard over him was just madness.
 
izec said:
He handled Mkhitaryan badly. He was good from the beginning, excluding the freak City game with an injury.

The rest i agree.
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Let's not rewrite history. Except for the City match, he had around 3-4 appearances from the bench, so it's not like he's had a lot of matches. It's like 2 full matches combined alltogether, where he gave the ball away easily in all of these appearances, and didnt create much. Hard to give him a chance after that. He created 0 goals and 0 assists.

Seems as if he handled him correctly. He seems a bit more confident with the tempo here now. Good idea to ease him in after such a poor start from Mkhi.
 
Raoul said:
I would imagine each player has to be utilized situationally based on their training, attitude, form, fitness, the opposition etc. Its easy to say Mkhitaryan is fantastic therefore Mourinho should've played him 10 games ago, but we simply don't know the nuances of what was going on behind the scenes in terms of the factors I just cited.
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It's like talking to a brick wall with some of this lot.
 
His man management would be my biggest issue with him this season. Publicly criticising and isolating players. Smalling, Shaw, Mkhitaryan and Schweinsteiger have all been question marks at one point. Our performances have improved drastically and we're heading in the right direction but it's far too early to say we've benefitted from his decisions with regards to management of players. The players who excelled tonight could easily not feature on Sunday.
 
I don't think there's anything too complicated about Rooney. Stick him in a team that's playing really well and he'll play really well too. In a team lacking confidence or below par, he'll quickly drop to a rubbish level too. It happened under Moyes and LVG, it happens in some internationals. He's not going to carry a team when they're down but he'll put in a good shift if all is well.
 
izec said:
He handled Mkhitaryan badly. He was good from the beginning, excluding the freak City game with an injury.
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Not really. In pre-season he had one very good game, one very bad game, and from memory an average-good game. Then he was utter shit against City then got injured so didn't play for a while. When he was physically fit again, we were in the middle of playing all the top teams so, after the City experience, it was probably right of Mourinho not to use him at that time. It was only after that where we had a small run of games where I was disappointed he wasn't getting opportunities, but that was relatively recently and it didn't take long before he started getting his chances. So while I personally would have liked to have seen him 2 or 3 games earlier than we did, it's not like he's been sitting there for months deserving to play and Jose has been treating him like shit.
 
TheReligion said:
Maybe as he's playing badly? For club and country.

Maybe he needed a rest. Maybe he needed a shock. Either way I think Jose has managed it well thus far.
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Oh sorry I thought you said (twice) that he's been playing regularly? Or is that suddenly irrelevant now you've been disproven?
 
shaky said:
I don't think there's anything too complicated about Rooney. Stick him in a team that's playing really well and he'll play really well too. In a team lacking confidence or below par, he'll quickly drop to a rubbish level too. It happened under Moyes and LVG, it happens in some internationals. He's not going to carry a team when they're down but he'll put in a good shift if all is well.
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I think that's incredibly simplistic, and unfair, as he's carried us plenty of times in the past. He was one of our worst players last year, so it's quite a dramatic turnaround
 
This fecking place. You get fleeced in the Mkhi thread for questioning why Jose isn't playing him because you should side with the manager and assume he's right, and when he finally plays and plays very well.. it's all down to the manager.
 
I'd be annoyed if he plays Rashford and Lingard on the wings next game. Just put Pogba in as Rooney is suspended.
 
clarkydaz said:
he's been dropped for a while, and put in several mediocre performances after being dropped. Nothing like tonight, he had some old aggression back
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Several mediocre performances? Which ones? Been very critical of Rooney for the last year or two, but I think his form has risen pretty steadily since being dropped for a run of games
 
Handré1990 said:
Several mediocre performances? Which ones? Been very critical of Rooney for the last year or two, but I think his form has risen pretty steadily since being dropped for a run of games
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northampton away was it? Europa games aswell, mainly cup games as that's when he was playing. Last few appearnaces he has been better. He was dropped a long time ago, not last week
 
Massive Spanner said:
Bollocks. You are ignoring the facts and nitpicking. You know fine well most of those were as a substitute. He has not been playing regularly, just accept you were wrong.
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Not exactly regular, but his point about him not being very good still stands, which is the more important thing imo
 
Handré1990 said:
Not exactly regular, but his point about him not being very good still stands, which is the more important thing imo
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Right so dropping and alienating your best player of last season instead of letting him play his way into form is the better option. Jose you genius.
 
clarkydaz said:
northampton away was it? Europa games aswell, mainly cup games as that's when he was playing. Last few appearnaces he has been better. He was dropped a long time ago, not last week
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Oh, was Northampton after he was dropped? I stand corrected if so, that's one of the worst games I've seen him in
 
Praise him tonightm. Criticise him for the other 95 percent of season so far.

Tonight just showed how clueless Mou selections have been so far. He does get the best out of his players but his selections have been ATROCIOUS so far
 
This place is so over the top with threads like this. The performances have been the best since Fergie but poor results overall, so far. He will get it right but needs time.
Every-time we win or lose we shouldn't be so reactionary. It's about the big picture and we are going in the right direction. This time last year I was utterly
depressed watching United under LVG. It was so negative and soul destroying, I don't care about what league position we had. Jose will build something great here if
we give him time.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Bollocks. You are ignoring the facts and nitpicking. You know fine well most of those were as a substitute. He has not been playing regularly, just accept you were wrong.
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He's been dropped to the bench at times as he hasn't played well. That's the point of this thread. In my opinion he's been managed well.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Right so dropping and alienating your best player of last season instead of letting him play his way into form is the better option. Jose you genius.
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Hah! I didn't say that. Don't be such a drama queen, it's not like José has been watching him everyday, while it was plain to see for us fans that he didn't perform earlier in the season. Exactly like when we go apeshit when Rooney gets a pass to "play himself in form", why should it be so much different for Martial?

TheReligion said:
He's been dropped to the bench at times as he hasn't played well. That's the point of this thread. In my opinion he's been managed well.
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Was the point I was trying to make
 
Raoul said:
I would imagine each player has to be utilized situationally based on their training, attitude, form, fitness, the opposition etc. Its easy to say Mkhitaryan is fantastic therefore Mourinho should've played him 10 games ago, but we simply don't know the nuances of what was going on behind the scenes in terms of the factors I just cited.
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By the same token there's no evidence to suggest it's a result of Mourinho's man management.

Perhaps we should hold off on the praise until we have something to support that view, or even win a couple of league games.
 
Let's not getting carried away after a League Cup match against West Ham who played worse today than Sunday. Too desperate of an original post.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Right so dropping and alienating your best player of last season instead of letting him play his way into form is the better option. Jose you genius.
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Well he's tried that with Rashford and it hasn't worked that well? Not sure what your problem is with your know it all attitude chip on the shoulder. If you don't agree fine. Make your point and move on.
 
CM10 said:
By the same token there's no evidence to suggest it's a result of Mourinho's man management.

Perhaps we should hold off on the praise until we have something to support that view, or even win a couple of league games.
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I wasn't praising him, just making a point that he shouldn't be criticized when we don't know the calculus behind his previous decisions of who to play / not to play.
 
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