I would also like to understand your point as well.
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Can't you just tell us what your point is, instead of beating around the bush?
Good job we are apparently sick of experts... because it sounds like we are fecked post brexshit
Brexit and population increase 'to change UK radically' by 2030
Life in the UK will undergo "radical" change in the 2020s due to Brexit, population changes and jobs being taken by robots, a think tank has predicted.
The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) said there would be a Brexit "aftershock" and that the UK's exit from the EU would be "the firing gun on a decade of disruption".
It identified wide-ranging factors that would "reshape how we live and work".
The government has promised to "forge a new role" for the UK in the world.
In its report, the IPPR, a centre-left think tank, said Brexit would be one of the major "disruptive forces" in the years ahead, saying the vote had delivered a "profound shock" to the UK's political and economic order which was likely to set the country on a path of permanently lower growth and living standards.
It also anticipated a "demographic tipping point" with a population boom and the number of people aged 65 and over predicted to rise by a third by the end of the next decade.
The report said this would impose new strains on the state with the funding gap for adult social care expected to hit £13bn by 2030-31.
This would lead to an increase in the UK's deficit - the gap between income and spending - it said.
'Different landscape'
The IPPR also said two-thirds of current jobs - 15 million - were at risk from "exponential" improvements in new technologies such as artificial intelligence systems.
"Politics, economics and power structures will be profoundly disrupted, and with it social relations," it said.
The report said while this would not end "work as we know it", it would make jobs less secure and more freelance.
Politicians would have to shape who benefits from the changes and who loses out, it said.
The report also predicted a transformation in how energy is produced and consumed by 2030, which would be driven by climate change, as well as a "changing economic world order", with power to "accelerate eastward".
"Brexit is the firing gun on a decade of disruption," the report said.
"Even as what we do and how we work changes, the UK is likely to remain trapped in a low growth, low interest rate decade driven by demographic shifts, productivity trends, weak investment, weak labour power, high levels of debt, and the headwinds of a slowing global economy.
"Without reform, our political and social system will struggle to build a more democratic, healthy society in the decades ahead, even as Brexit accelerates us towards a radically different institutional landscape."
Labour and the Liberal Democrats both saw the report as an indictment of what they called the government's "hard Brexit strategy", which is taken to mean forfeiting single market access in order to gain control over immigration.
But the government reiterated its commitment to making a success of Brexit and saying the UK was forecast to be the fastest-growing major advanced economy.
"While there may be challenges ahead, we approach them from a position of strength," a spokesman added.
Brexit and population increase 'to change UK radically' by 2030
Life in the UK will undergo "radical" change in the 2020s due to Brexit, population changes and jobs being taken by robots, a think tank has predicted.
The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) said there would be a Brexit "aftershock" and that the UK's exit from the EU would be "the firing gun on a decade of disruption".
It identified wide-ranging factors that would "reshape how we live and work".
The government has promised to "forge a new role" for the UK in the world.
In its report, the IPPR, a centre-left think tank, said Brexit would be one of the major "disruptive forces" in the years ahead, saying the vote had delivered a "profound shock" to the UK's political and economic order which was likely to set the country on a path of permanently lower growth and living standards.
It also anticipated a "demographic tipping point" with a population boom and the number of people aged 65 and over predicted to rise by a third by the end of the next decade.
The report said this would impose new strains on the state with the funding gap for adult social care expected to hit £13bn by 2030-31.
This would lead to an increase in the UK's deficit - the gap between income and spending - it said.
'Different landscape'
The IPPR also said two-thirds of current jobs - 15 million - were at risk from "exponential" improvements in new technologies such as artificial intelligence systems.
"Politics, economics and power structures will be profoundly disrupted, and with it social relations," it said.
The report said while this would not end "work as we know it", it would make jobs less secure and more freelance.
Politicians would have to shape who benefits from the changes and who loses out, it said.
The report also predicted a transformation in how energy is produced and consumed by 2030, which would be driven by climate change, as well as a "changing economic world order", with power to "accelerate eastward".
"Brexit is the firing gun on a decade of disruption," the report said.
"Even as what we do and how we work changes, the UK is likely to remain trapped in a low growth, low interest rate decade driven by demographic shifts, productivity trends, weak investment, weak labour power, high levels of debt, and the headwinds of a slowing global economy.
"Without reform, our political and social system will struggle to build a more democratic, healthy society in the decades ahead, even as Brexit accelerates us towards a radically different institutional landscape."
Labour and the Liberal Democrats both saw the report as an indictment of what they called the government's "hard Brexit strategy", which is taken to mean forfeiting single market access in order to gain control over immigration.
But the government reiterated its commitment to making a success of Brexit and saying the UK was forecast to be the fastest-growing major advanced economy.
"While there may be challenges ahead, we approach them from a position of strength," a spokesman added.
I didn't say you can't have an opinion, just that to me personally, your opinion is somewhat irrelevant because you chose no to vote.
Approximately 13 million people eligible to vote in the referendum didn't bother for whatever reason. That is more than enough to sway the result to remain. And you were one of those people. So, in a round about way, you helped the UK do the most (in your words) "idiotic thing possible in the last 80 years" and now sit there complaining about it.
Living in France, you actually may not be immune from the fallout of Brexit in the long term so I am really surprised that you didn't bother voting.
As for your comments, they are part of a thread so I can't avoid reading them.
I'm not complaining about it, it will probably be more advantageous to me with the UK out of the EU, the further the pound drops the better - all I'm saying it is a stupid thing to do. The same as if Chelsea signed Theresa May as their goalkeeper, it's not going to affect me very much but it would still be a ridiculous decision.
Additionally, there are many people in this thread who did not or could not vote, but their opinions are of equal value as anyone else's whether you agree or disagree with them. With information people can learn but some people just don't want to know.
I was posting in the referendum forum long before the referendum itself and people like me were accused of scaremongering, nothing has changed my opinion whatsoever of what is likely to happen, if anything it may well be worse. But British people who voted Leave have decided that's what they want , let them live with the consequences. They are the people responsible for what is likely to be a complete fiasco.
Any comments in this thread are post the referendum so it's too late unless the UK don't actually go through with leaving.
Bare in mind I was also responding to @712 and his "they just don't get it" enlightened tone.
Everything I read seems to suggest the matter is far from clear cut (http://nowweknow.co.uk/is-triggering-article-50-reversible/), hence why someone is prepared to put big money in taking the matter to court. The Royal Court of Justice have not ruled on this matter.
Fair comment endless, apologies for my over-excitement.
Like I said a good month ago, you believe me or not but there is a sentence that tells you everything you need to know, it's the third paragraph of the article 50.
That part clearly tells you that the absence of agreement still leads to the withdrawal. The wording of that paragraph also tells you that the European Council is in charge, they can extend the negotiation period with the approval of the withdrawing country and you can imagine that they also could decide to scrap everything and allow the withdrawing country to stay if he changed his mind but they also can decide to not allow it.
Basically the article 50 tells you that the actual withdrawing is its notification and its reception by the European council.
Also like mentioned earlier the UK don't have the power to lengthen the negotiation process unilaterally and it's not mentioned that a country can unilaterally withdraw his withdrawing, so it is very weird to see respectable judges and professors ignore the spirit of a text, now I'm sure that they noticed that their argument works the other way around, nothing says that the EU Council has to accept the u-turn and ignore the notification who is after all the only thing required to withdraw.
So what?
Where specifically in the text does it say "a country may not withdraw its article 50 notification after it has given it"?
Even the person who wrote it says it is reversible
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37852628
Jeez the Stanley way is becoming popular
Whats the Stanley way?
I considering changing the post because its not nice to take digs and people on new years eve. However the Stanley way is slagging off the EU while fighting desperately to remain in it.
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What??? How on earth am I fighting desperately to stay in it?
You rather live inside the eu then return to your country to enjoy the benefits brexit will bring
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You are fukkin demented mate
I used to live very close to Stanley Road in woking, where Paul Weller lived.They've renamed the street from Stanley Road to Stanley Way
I wonder whom between us is making a fool of himself on this thread. Oh well
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And the shambles continues
Britain’s EU ambassador resigns weeks before Brexit talks
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/nati...-resigns-weeks-before-brexit-talks/ar-BBxQzzn
Britain’s EU ambassador resigns weeks before Brexit talks
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/nati...-resigns-weeks-before-brexit-talks/ar-BBxQzzn
The whole thing has been a fecking farce from start to finish.
Huge blow by the sounds of it. You want the people with connections and good network to be with you when negotiating the exit. What a joke this government and the current political class are.
Nah. If you look at this guy's resume, he's a Eurocrat to his fingertips. The British need someone who sees Brexit as an opportuntiy to be exploited, not a calamity to be managed. Having someone conducting OUT negotiations who really wants to stay IN is not a good idea.
Ugh, that kind of thinking is so wrong, I don't have the strength to argue. Also, I have taken to disregarding people who write with capitals because it screams extreme opinions which signifies lack of common sense.
Well, no one could accuse you of jumping to conclusions, could they?
(is it okay to use capitals at the beginning of a sentence?)
He was compromised by his Europhile views given the Brexit vote he should have gone immediately after the vote like Cameron.
taketh 'im to the tower and off with his head!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38494939
Pound dropping helping manufacturing in contradiction to remoaner catastrophe predictions.
Support for leave holding or strengthening according the expert on Newsnight and we know how much the remoaners love an expert.
Pound dropping helping manufacturing in contradiction to remoaner catastrophe predictions.
Support for leave holding or strengthening according the expert on Newsnight and we know how much the remoaners love an expert.
Anyone who uses terms like remoaner is seriously nowhere above 5-year-olds in terms of brain activity. Those that use the term and proclaim to support democracy are hypocrites on top of everything else.
If you give it out you really shouldn't be complaining about receiving it, it seems so weak and hypocritical.
Remoaners is a term of endearment compared the shite remainers called everyone who voted leave or even contemplated doing so. I voted remain but I like to be consistent in terminology. If you are a remoaner you reaped what you now sow even if you just can't take it.
We held a referendum to decide whether the UK stayed in the EU or left the EU. The UK voted to leave. I think that people like me are the mainstay of democracy because even though I got out voted I row in behind the decision wish it all the best.
It might be wrong, it might be right but remoaners are going to remoan or perhaps it is more like The Ramones.
I read a bit of your post but I don't think reading the whole thing would make it less of a nonsense comment.
I know six lines,it is a vast impenetrable wall of text and a music youtube video, five year olds and all that eh Wrongnr.
You do realise that we still haven't left? That this is just a small bubble on current stock that is more attractive to overseas buyers because of the currency devaluation? That when the currency devalues we get less for our money on imports? Which leads to cost-push inflation? Which leads to prices rises? Which is bad for ivestment? Which is bad for savings? It could also lead to hyperinflation? Or even stagflation?
I doubt you know any of this otherwise you wouldn't have come here on your high horse telling us how rosy things are.
Every silver lining has a cloud
I don't want to shock your view of the world but have you ever thought about that the UK, as most countries, do need to import lots of goods first in order to manufacture something that can be exported? And that those goods that need to be exported are more expensive as the pound drops?
It's baffling how in 2017 some people still believe this one-sided BS that Brexiters spread.
Sure we need to import but the fact is not every nation is pro EU and it stands to reason that would help us because they want the same thing. There is ALWAYS a counter argument equally as strong. Any country that is against the EU and it's dictatorship (What difference is a single person dictator and this EU? That can dictate to nations? It's a form of...dictatorship)...But ultimately the Uk will have allies. This monopoly will be broken and for the betterment of every nation. So that every nation can stand up for itself. Nations are being destroyed because you cannot see the bigger picture. Think bigger....Why are nations being flooded by immigration? Why are we seemingly always at war when most people don't want war? Think bigger...Sometimes you have to go backwards, because sometimes you have to know when you are being fecked and only an idiot would keep walking into it. There are bigger issues here and people in 2017 should learn some home truths. For example - why should there be debt on our money? Who makes our money? You control money, you control nations....Who do you think is in charge? The people are meant to be and we're not and neither are the governments. If they were, they wouldn't be in fecking debt would they. You only get into debt if you are government if you are stupid or controlled. As tempting as the former is, that's not the answer.
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