Russia's at it again

Pogue Mahone said:
Several sittings is right! I'm a couple of thousand words in and it's very impressive. I'll admit a lot of my thinking is influenced by the Pinker piece it ruthlessly deconstructs. Always good to hear another opinion and I'm probably not a good enough historian to pick any holes in it. I've a horrible feeling this will depress the shit out of me :(
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I think I skipped a section in the middle during one of my scrolls down to see the end :p

"Ruthlessly deconstructs" is indeed the phrase; you can tell the authors are enjoying it too!
 
Alsol, there are several points where the authors' leftist bias is visible: Soviet tanks for example. Stalin actually did have a plan to invade Europe with his tanks (and Churchill wanted to invade the USSR straight after 1945) but it is generally true (AFAIK) that a lot of Soviet thinking was defensive.
Also they get apologetic about Islam IMO.

But overall it's still a strong case.
 
berbatrick said:
Alsol, there are several points where the authors' leftist bias is visible: Soviet tanks for example. Stalin actually did have a plan to invade Europe with his tanks (and Churchill wanted to invade the USSR straight after 1945) but it is generally true (AFAIK) that a lot of Soviet thinking was defensive.
Also they get apologetic about Islam IMO.

But overall it's still a strong case.
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Just started that section and yes, the bias is obvious here. Which now has me questioning a lot of the other stuff I didn't know enough about to question.
 
berbatrick said:
Alsol, there are several points where the authors' leftist bias is visible: Soviet tanks for example. Stalin actually did have a plan to invade Europe with his tanks (and Churchill wanted to invade the USSR straight after 1945) but it is generally true (AFAIK) that a lot of Soviet thinking was defensive.
Also they get apologetic about Islam IMO.

But overall it's still a strong case.
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They seem to have some pretty out there views on stuff like the Rwandan genocide as well - here's an angry response: http://jonestream.blogspot.ie/2010/11/denying-rwanda-response-to-herman.html
 
Danny1982 said:
Can somebody please, in short and clear points, tell me what is Russia exactly accused of? What did they do exactly (concerning the elections)?
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2cents said:
I'd be interested in an answer to this as well.
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Mihajlovic said:
I asked the same question and Pogue referred me to www.google.co.uk.

So smart.
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No surprise there. The nice echo chamber they created for themselves here makes it difficult for them to articulate a proper answer when anybody from outside their echo chamber asks a simple and concrete question.
 
Google sounds like a great idea. It's all over the web.
 
Raoul said:
Google sounds like a great idea. It's all over the web.
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A lot of the web is bullsh*t, and I can't ask "the web" questions or debate with "it". Besides, I can't react to random articles on the web, only for you and others to use the "snake manoeuvre" ("but I didn't say that!"). It should be a very simple question for somebody who is clear about what he knows and where he stands.
 
Danny1982 said:
A lot of the web is bullsh*t, and I can't ask "the web" questions or debate with "it". Besides, I can't react to random articles on the web, only for you and others to use the "snake manoeuvre" ("but I didn't say that!"). It should be a very simple question for somebody who is clear about what he knows and where he stands.
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This article illustrates the work flow of how it was done. Nothing will be released in terms of hard information until the investigation is complete just before Obama leaves.

http://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/.../newseventcollection/russian-election-hacking
 
I'm looking forward to hearing how the Botski's on here spin that one. I'm sure they are super proud of all their athletes.
 
Fantastic read....



......To understand the shift underway in the world, and to stop being outmaneuvered, we first need to see the Russian state for what it really is. Twenty-five years ago, the Soviet Union collapsed. This freed the Russian security state from its last constraints. In 1991, there were around 800,000 official KGB agents in Russia. They spent a decade reorganizing themselves into the newly-minted FSB, expanding and absorbing other instruments of power, including criminal networks, other security services, economic interests, and parts of the political elite. They rejected the liberal, democratic Russia that President Boris Yeltsin was trying to build.

Following the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings that the FSB almost certainly planned, former FSB director Vladimir Putin was installed as President. We should not ignore the significance of these events. An internal operation planned by the security services killed hundreds of Russian citizens. It was used as the pretext to re-launch a bloody, devastating internal war led by emergent strongman Putin. Tens of thousands of Chechen civilians and fighters and Russian conscripts died. The narrative was controlled to make the enemy clear and Putin victorious. This information environment forced a specific political objective: Yeltsin resigned and handed power to Putin on New Year’s Eve 1999....
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/putins-real-long-game-214589
 
antihenry said:
What a brilliant expert. The best thing about the article is how unbiased the author is.

Check out her Twitter page, it's just non-stop Putin bashing, you'd think good old Vladimir finger banged her cat or something.
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What's not to bash. The guy is a KGB thug masquerading as Statesman.
 
Raoul said:
What's not to bash. The guy is a KGB thug masquerading as Statesman.
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"A little over a year ago, on a pleasant late fall evening, I was sitting on my front porch with a friend best described as a Ukrainian freedom fighter. He was smoking a cigarette while we watched Southeast DC hipsters bustle by and talked about ‘the war’ — the big war, being waged by Russia against all of us, which from this porch felt very far away."

"Months later, on a different porch thousands of miles away, an Estonian filmmaker casually explained to me that he was buying a boat to get his family out when the Russians came, so he could focus on the resistance."

:lol:

She should write novels, her literary talent shouldn't go to waste.

McKew is a former adviser to ex-president of Georgia and ex-prime minister of Moldova, both pro-Western puppets, that are no longer in power, one is wanted on charges back home in Georgia and the other got arrested and sentenced to nine years due to the involvement in a major corruption scandal. They probably could have used a better adviser judging by that article and their current situation.
 
antihenry said:
"A little over a year ago, on a pleasant late fall evening, I was sitting on my front porch with a friend best described as a Ukrainian freedom fighter. He was smoking a cigarette while we watched Southeast DC hipsters bustle by and talked about ‘the war’ — the big war, being waged by Russia against all of us, which from this porch felt very far away."

"Months later, on a different porch thousands of miles away, an Estonian filmmaker casually explained to me that he was buying a boat to get his family out when the Russians came, so he could focus on the resistance."

:lol:

She should write novels, her literary talent shouldn't go to waste.

McKew is a former adviser to ex-president of Georgia and ex-prime minister of Moldova, both pro-Western puppets, that are no longer in power, one is wanted on charges back home in Georgia and the other got arrested and sentenced to nine years due to the involvement in a major corruption scandal. They probably could have used a better adviser judging by that article and their current situation.
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Yes yes, anyone anti Putin is an pro-western Puppet. Good stuff as usual.
 
antihenry said:
"A little over a year ago, on a pleasant late fall evening, I was sitting on my front porch with a friend best described as a Ukrainian freedom fighter. He was smoking a cigarette while we watched Southeast DC hipsters bustle by and talked about ‘the war’ — the big war, being waged by Russia against all of us, which from this porch felt very far away."

"Months later, on a different porch thousands of miles away, an Estonian filmmaker casually explained to me that he was buying a boat to get his family out when the Russians came, so he could focus on the resistance."

:lol:

She should write novels, her literary talent shouldn't go to waste.

McKew is a former adviser to ex-president of Georgia and ex-prime minister of Moldova, both pro-Western puppets, that are no longer in power, one is wanted on charges back home in Georgia and the other got arrested and sentenced to nine years due to the involvement in a major corruption scandal. They probably could have used a better adviser judging by that article and their current situation.
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Putin is a former adviser to Boris Yeltsin, a pro-Western puppet... am I doing it right?
 
Raoul said:
Yes yes, anyone anti Putin is an pro-western Puppet. Good stuff as usual.
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She is an American, so she can't possibly be a pro-western puppet. And those two I called pro-western puppets, I didn't say they were anti-Putin. Try to keep up.
 
antihenry said:
She is an American, so she can't possibly be a pro-western puppet. And those two I called pro-western puppets, I didn't say they were anti-Putin. Try to keep up.
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Ok, makes sense to me. You're very intelligent.
 
antihenry said:
Clearly not as intelligent as you are, judging by what you post as a 'fantastic read' on the subject.
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It was a great read for anyone not brainwashed in Putinist propaganda. Try stepping out from the fake news world sometime.
 
antihenry said:
"A little over a year ago, on a pleasant late fall evening, I was sitting on my front porch with a friend best described as a Ukrainian freedom fighter. He was smoking a cigarette while we watched Southeast DC hipsters bustle by and talked about ‘the war’ — the big war, being waged by Russia against all of us, which from this porch felt very far away."

"Months later, on a different porch thousands of miles away, an Estonian filmmaker casually explained to me that he was buying a boat to get his family out when the Russians came, so he could focus on the resistance."

:lol:

She should write novels, her literary talent shouldn't go to waste.

McKew is a former adviser to ex-president of Georgia and ex-prime minister of Moldova, both pro-Western puppets, that are no longer in power, one is wanted on charges back home in Georgia and the other got arrested and sentenced to nine years due to the involvement in a major corruption scandal. They probably could have used a better adviser judging by that article and their current situation.
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So an agency writer bashing a foreign spook....
 
:lol: We've officially hit a new low.
 
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What's the deal with that frog?
 
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