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The sad thing is that there are legit criticism points regarding the EU which were (at least at the beginning) also part of the Leave campaign. However, as I and others repeatedly pointed out, the campagne and now the aftermath became nearly exclusively about "We can do it on our own. No need for those greedy EU bureaucrats" and "Stop immigration!".
Now with all those commitments to a hard brexit we'll see a massive pandering to big corporations and the tories turning the UK into a tax heaven so that they can claim Brexit didn't hurt economically. All while happily pushing welfare and benefit cuts. In the end it'll hurt the average citizen but strengthen the Amazons etc. of this world.
 
Kasper said:
The sad thing is that there are legit criticism points regarding the EU which were (at least at the beginning) also part of the Leave campaign. However, as I and others repeatedly pointed out, the campagne and now the aftermath became nearly exclusively about "We can do it on our own. No need for those greedy EU bureaucrats" and "Stop immigration!".
Now with all those commitments to a hard brexit we'll see a massive pandering to big corporations and the tories turning the UK into a tax heaven so that they can claim Brexit didn't hurt economically. All while happily pushing welfare and benefit cuts. In the end it'll hurt the average citizen but strengthen the Amazons etc. of this world.
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Yup. Turkeys voted for Christmas. Uncanny the similarities between the US election and Brexit. And that's without all the thumbs up photos of assorted grinning cnuts to remind us.
 
Quote from Gove:
"My understanding - I have to stress I’m no expert in trade negotiations - is that we have to wait until Britain has concluded its divorce from the European Union before we can sign any new deal."

The first part is pretty obvious.
Not only can you not sign a deal until it has completely left the EU, you cannot even start official negotiations until they've left either so a signature ready deal by 2019 is even beyond the realm of fairyland dreamt up by the Leavers
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Quote from Gove:
"My understanding - I have to stress I’m no expert in trade negotiations - is that we have to wait until Britain has concluded its divorce from the European Union before we can sign any new deal."

The first part is pretty obvious.
Not only can you not sign a deal until it has completely left the EU, you cannot even start official negotiations until they've left either so a signature ready deal by 2019 is even beyond the realm of fairyland dreamt up by the Leavers
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I've always said, modesty is his only fault.:D
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yup. Turkeys voted for Christmas. Uncanny the similarities between the US election and Brexit. And that's without all the thumbs up photos of assorted grinning cnuts to remind us.
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It's weird that people still don't understand that when Murdoch is one side, all the peasants that we are should run on the other side.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Quote from Gove:
"My understanding - I have to stress I’m no expert in trade negotiations - is that we have to wait until Britain has concluded its divorce from the European Union before we can sign any new deal."

The first part is pretty obvious.
Not only can you not sign a deal until it has completely left the EU, you cannot even start official negotiations until they've left either so a signature ready deal by 2019 is even beyond the realm of fairyland dreamt up by the Leavers
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A stipulation likely to be more honoured in the breach than the observance.

When push come to shove Britain won't allow itself to be strangled by the rules of a club whose membership it's about to cancel.

Negotiations might be labelled 'exploratory' for face-saving purposes, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a deal in place by the time the clock strikes 12.
 
Will Absolute said:
A stipulation likely to be more honoured in the breach than the observance.

When push come to shove Britain won't allow itself to be strangled by the rules of a club whose membership it's about to cancel.

Negotiations might be labelled 'exploratory' for face-saving purposes, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a deal in place by the time the clock strikes 12.
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Even the British government has admitted the same, in any case deals take years and if they don't there would only be one winner
 
Will Absolute said:
They won't openly acknowledge breaking the rules. They'll simply break them.

It's the EU way.
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Funny how people are always complaining about how the EU impose so many terrible rules on us, yet at the same time seem to believe everyone in the EU (apart from us Brits obviously) just break or ignore anything they don't like.

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable..
 
Will Absolute said:
They won't openly acknowledge breaking the rules. They'll simply break them.

It's the EU way.
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They'd have serious problems, why is it the EU way, thought there were too many rules , UK get a reputation of breaking agreements, they won't get any
They have no-one to negotiate deals, their negotiators work for the EU and have no experience working as a sole nation.
Trump would have them over a barrel.
Remember all the Leavers were against the TTIP before the Referendum
If Leavers are banking on this, then ....
Remember Gove has no idea what he's talking about.
 
People obey rules when they believe maintaining the relationships in which the rules are embedded is more important than any gain to be made from disobeying them. That doesn't apply here. This is an existential crisis for Britain, and it's not going to go naked into that good night just to preserve a reputation for keeping its bargains.
 
Will Absolute said:
People obey rules when they believe maintaining the relationships in which the rules are embedded is more important than any gain to be made from disobeying them. That doesn't apply here. This is an existential crisis for Britain, and it's not going to go naked into that good night just to preserve a reputation for keeping its bargains.
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Ah so you're now admitting you've dropped us into an existential crisis? Glad one of you has come clean about that.
 
Kentonio said:
Funny how people are always complaining about how the EU impose so many terrible rules on us, yet at the same time seem to believe everyone in the EU (apart from us Brits obviously) just break or ignore anything they don't like.

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable..
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People like to always have it both ways when it comes to the EU. The funniest one is the paradoxical criticism of the EU managing to be both this extremely powerful organisation that's on the verge of full federalism, whilst simultaneously being a failing experiment on the verge of collapse.

And it's also disruptive to British sovereignty, but now we've voted to leave people are angry at the Supreme Court decision...which is a function of British sovereignty.
 
Will Absolute said:
People obey rules when they believe maintaining the relationships in which the rules are embedded is more important than any gain to be made from disobeying them. That doesn't apply here. This is an existential crisis for Britain, and it's not going to go naked into that good night just to preserve a reputation for keeping its bargains.
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You mean British politicians lie, especially the Leave ones, we already know that
 
Cheesy said:
People like to always have it both ways when it comes to the EU. The funniest one is the paradoxical criticism of the EU managing to be both this extremely powerful organisation that's on the verge of full federalism, whilst simultaneously being a failing experiment on the verge of collapse.

And it's also disruptive to British sovereignty, but now we've voted to leave people are angry at the Supreme Court decision...which is a function of British sovereignty.
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You forgot the dictatorship where too many voices have to been listened.
 
Kentonio said:
Funny how people are always complaining about how the EU impose so many terrible rules on us, yet at the same time seem to believe everyone in the EU (apart from us Brits obviously) just break or ignore anything they don't like.

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable..
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Well Germany have a few times but that was probably the UK's fault
 
Kentonio said:
Funny how people are always complaining about how the EU impose so many terrible rules on us, yet at the same time seem to believe everyone in the EU (apart from us Brits obviously) just break or ignore anything they don't like.

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable..
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There is an element of that but if you are honest people also have memories and use them.

Remember the stability pact and the 3% borrowing limit.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Quote from Gove:
"My understanding - I have to stress I’m no expert in trade negotiations - is that we have to wait until Britain has concluded its divorce from the European Union before we can sign any new deal."
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You forgot the customary image to be posted whenever quoting Michael Gove

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May is set to tell the eu that it likes its market and they remain allies. The problem is not with their market, products and money but simply with their people. She believes that this antipathy towards europeans shouldn't stop the uk from cherry picking a deal with the eu, because the uk is still pretty much european altough it wants Europeans as from its soil as possible.

I wonder what the response will be
 
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I've given up on trying to understand what the point is anymore. May will give another idiotic speech tomorrow and the pound will plunge and everyone who voted for Brexit will be happy. It's a circus.
 
devilish said:
May is set to tell the eu that it likes its market and they remain allies. The problem is not with their market, products and money but simply with their people. She believes that this antipathy towards europeans shouldn't stop the uk from cherry picking a deal with the eu, because the uk is still pretty much european altough it wants Europeans as from its soil as possible.

I wonder what the response will be
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I don't know what part of hard brexit you don't understand. She's shot your 'begging' fox.
There may be no agreement at all, if there is one it will be whatever is regarded as mutually beneficial.
Free movement is dead, if any cherries are left to be picked it will only be because both sides agree the sharing.
 
712 said:
I don't know what part of hard brexit you don't understand. She's shot your 'begging' fox.
There may be no agreement at all, if there is one it will be whatever is regarded as mutually beneficial.
Free movement is dead, if any cherries are left to be picked it will only be because both sides agree the sharing.
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If she wants a free trade deal with the EU while leaving Union and showing the middle finger to FOM then that's cherry picking. Whether she'll get it is another matter altogether.

FOM is still alive and kicking in Europe btw.
 
devilish said:
If she wants a free trade deal with the EU while leaving Union and showing the middle finger to FOM then that's cherry picking. Whether she'll get it is another matter altogether.

FOM is still alive and kicking in Europe btw.
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She's not asking for a free trade deal, like I said, you haven't grasped hard brexit.

Yeah, if FOM suits the remaining EU nations then that's great, good luck and enjoy, no sarcasm at all, each to their own.
 
712 said:
She's not asking for a free trade deal, like I said, you haven't grasped hard brexit.

Yeah, if FOM suits the remaining EU nations then that's great, good luck and enjoy, no sarcasm at all, each to their own.
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She said she wants as much free trade with the uk as possible. Hammond even threatened in turning the uk in some cayman island at europe shores unless they give them a good deal. Of course they want a good deal
 
devilish said:
She said she wants as much free trade with the uk as possible. Hammond even threatened in turning the uk in some cayman island at europe shores unless they give them a good deal. Of course they want a good deal
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'As possible' is bleeding obvious. What will happen is whatever will suit both sides. No begging, your personal fox there is shot.

I'm definitely no expert on international finance, not many people are if they're honest, but the UK does seem to have some ability in the field.
 
712 said:
'As possible' is bleeding obvious. What will happen is whatever will suit both sides. No begging, your personal fox there is shot.

I'm definitely no expert on international finance, not many people are if they're honest, but the UK does seem to have some ability in the field.
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Threatening to turn a respectable nation with plenty of history into the new panama unless its get a good deal with the old continent does sound desperate to me. Oh well

I hope the eu play ball. Lets see if words will translate in some real action

And no one ever wanted the uk to beg. The uk was an equal partner in the eu but it wanted more then that. Its not the eu that is pushing the uk out. Its the uk thats leaving. The eu is simply not begging the uk to stay. The eu wont allow England to dictate its ways as it does with scotland or north ireland
 
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Yeah, I agree with the threat angle, not something to proud of.
I might be a bit different from most posters here, in that although I voted Remain, I accept that the vote's gone, I'm trying to put emotion to one side and look at how it might pan out from here on in.
 
712 said:
Yeah, I agree with the threat angle, not something to proud of.
I might be a bit different from most posters here, in that although I voted Remain, I accept that the vote's gone, I'm trying to put emotion to one side and look at how it might pan out from here on in.
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No worries mate. We respect one another opinion. No love lost
 
Fener1907 said:
The response should be to duct tape her mouth up to prevent the pound suffering further from her pointless comments.
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Well the remain camp on here have been calling for her to speak about her plans fot months and now they want her to keep quiet.

Kinda ironic
 
Will Absolute said:
People obey rules when they believe maintaining the relationships in which the rules are embedded is more important than any gain to be made from disobeying them. That doesn't apply here. This is an existential crisis for Britain, and it's not going to go naked into that good night just to preserve a reputation for keeping its bargains.
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Kentonio said:
Ah so you're now admitting you've dropped us into an existential crisis? Glad one of you has come clean about that.
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Heh.
 
So a hard brexit, then?

Great, well, you're fecked, well done. I'd argue my country (Ireland) will be a bit fecked too cause we'll have this whole 'border' thing back which apparently caused a few fisticuffs back in the day, no biggie though.

Ah well, least we still have two years to drive up North and get cheap booze whilst the Sterling continues to plunge.
 
So it appears she and Hammond have decided that threatening to become an ultra low tax, ultra low regulation state is the best weapon we have in negotiations. I cannot understate how completely nuts that is.

1. If the EU calls the bluff it is a path to suicide. It is like threatening someone with a gun, except the gun is pointed at your own head.

2. The EU can simply increase tariffs and obstacles to business in the UK to protect it's own businesses from being undercut by the UK. That is exactly the kind of thing the EU is intended to protect against.

3. Any deal with the EU is reliant on goodwill. There is no legal requirement for a trade deal, or even a transitional deal within the 2 year timetable of Article 50. The government is intent on destroying what little goodwill remained.
 
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