FOM was the main issue for voters.
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FOM was the main issue for voters.
I am referring from the EU point of view not the UK
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If brexit ends up even a tenth as bad as you keep suggesting the eu's main worry should be the 60 odd million refugees from the uk as we all storm the chunnel overload the ferries and start jumping in dinghies as we burn our passports and claim refuge in the land of milk and honey
Which, as already laid out, only further shows their stupidity.
Brexit is just a prime example why having referendums on matters exceeding the local sphere are a veeeeery bad idea.
We're thinking about a trip to London this year, so at least I get to profit. Provided you still let me in.
Swap 'brexit' for the EU and turn the refugees around and this sentence is pretty much 'Vote Leave's biggest argument.
Really? I don't think that at all. In matter of fact I strongly believe that the UK will still remain a prosperous country after Brexit. What I do believe is that it will be less prosperous and influential at it is now
I'm suggesting that the UK has very little leverage in these negotiations, much less than many Brexiters would have you believe. The UK is relying on goodwill from the EU as well as continental politics aligning in such a way that Britain is not punished as an example - neither of those look particularly promising at the moment. One we cannot influence, but the current government is alienating the EU rather than appealing to their goodwill.
There are also big opportunities for Germany through a harsher post-Brexit settlement (finance and services)
Hammond hostile stance will turn the brick wall the uk is facing into a an impregnable bastion. Its time the uk acknowledge its limits and start negotationing. After all It needs europe far more than Europe need the uk.
Pound has lost over a cent in the last hour or two against both USD & Euro - $1.2043 & €1.1337
Currencies go up and down, etc.
Mmm, every time someone from the government opens their mouth, there appears to be only one direction
OK most EU countries don't DEPEND (am I doing this right?) on the UK, and vice versa. At the end of the day trade makes sense for both parties, we have stuff to sell to them and they do to us.
Bigger font would help for clarity of emphasis.Your second sentence is a bit ambiguous. There won't be any embargo, no agreements only means that their will be no discounts, it doesn't mean that their will be no trades.
Exactly
IS THIS BETTER?
Getting there!Not vice versa.
It's been good to see some stronger language being linked with the Government these past few days.
Indeed they do, just look at that the Euro.
Indeed they do, just look at that the Euro.
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Cheers for the reply.
Hopefully your right, my worry is with the British Government are simply ignoring the issue for the sake of convenience.
Well the UK does depend on the EU. 44% of its exports and 13% of its gdp depend on the single market. No country had ever been able to cut off completely from the continent its in and do well, so this will be a first. No wonder cautious Hammond had gone full threat mood about turning the UK into a tax haven (is it that even possible considering that the money generated would never be enough to pay the taxes the UK need to function?). They are desperate for access to the single market
The EU does not depend on the UK. Sure losing the UK would be a hit for them but they rather suffer that then create a precedent were countries can leave the union because they didn't like something and still get the good deal they wanted (ie cherry picking).
Leavers like to mention the imminent trade deal with the US which I admit it will give them a lifeline. However I can understand May's concerns about not wanting to be associated with Trump very much. The guy is a sensitive vindictive chap who takes family to court and cuts them out of medical insurance. He also tend to employ small contractors only to pay them a quarter of the agreed price, knowing that they can never go toe to toe against him in court. He is anti EU for the very same reason (ie he wants a fragmented Europe which can be easily bullied). Its difficult to believe that such a man whose also a protectionist can ever give a fair a deal to the UK and if he does he'll expect the UK to stay in line. That's something the UK wouldn't want especially since it want to make deals with other countries (China for example) who aren't exactly pro US.
No wonder why May is going in great pains that Brexit who puts populist anti immigration sentiment ahead of business and friendship with foreign countries is completely different to the populist wave that saw Trump being elected as US president.
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Trump calling Brexit a great thing should convince everyone that it was a stupid idea.
And you can see what the markets think of the government's language..
Looking at the Euro, it's gained 6 cents against the pound in the last 4 weeks
It is a great thing for him, a slightly weaker EU and an extremely weakened UK
Excellent
Putin wants the disintegration of the EU and NATO. Of course Ttrump thinks it's a good idea
http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-to-announce-hard-brexit-plans-in-major-speech-2017-1
Hard Brexit on the way, as expected. The UK will pay tariffs on it's exports to the EU, but these will also cost less due to the fall in the pound. EU exports to the UK will face two cost problems, the tariffs plus the risen Euro.
It's the best negotiating stance for me, no begging for terms, no bargaining over free movement because it isn't going to happen. If the EU wants to propose anything mutually beneficial then fair enough, if not, fair enough, whatever is agreed we will all pay the same tariffs.
Now we can all debate the effects of tariffs and devaluations, but the soft brexit permutations and the free movement stuff should be irrelevant now. Shouldn't they?
Hard Brexit on the way, as expected. The UK will pay tariffs on it's exports to the EU, but these will also cost less due to the fall in the pound. EU exports to the UK will face two cost problems, the tariffs plus the risen Euro.
It's the best negotiating stance for me, no begging for terms, no bargaining over free movement because it isn't going to happen. If the EU wants to propose anything mutually beneficial then fair enough, if not, fair enough, whatever is agreed we will all pay the same tariffs.
Now we can all debate the effects of tariffs and devaluations, but the soft brexit permutations and the free movement stuff should be irrelevant now. Shouldn't they?
I swear to god, if you clowns gimp the NI border on us.....
As expected, not a brexit for everyone as she said, without even taking into account devaluations of the pound the increase in nett tariffs would mean they would not save anything by not paying into the EU, the tariffs would make up for that instead of being paid by taxes ie on those who pay who actually pay tax, it will be paid by the consumers, ie everybody by increased prices
I don't think people grasp how much of a complete crisis this will be. So we fall back on WTO schedules which are currently set through our EU membership rather than independently. We will lose free trade with the EU whilst having to adopt tariffs that make sense for the EU as a whole but not for the UK as an independent country. We are going to see country of origin customs checks on all EU exports. Tariffs on not just finished goods, but all imported parts. e.g a car manufacturer will pay tariffs on it's finished cars exported to EU but also on all of the parts it imports from across Europe to assemble that car. But it's ok because the government is going to guarantee those costs at the expense of the taxpayer, whilst not funding public services, in particularly health, sufficiently. fecking hell.
The next 5 years will see the breakdown of the post-war social contract.
Seems pretty inevitable now. Can't see how she can be in all for stopping immigration and yet still leave a wide open border to the EU with no controls.
If she thinks this would unite Remainers and Leavers she must be totally deluded. Only that everyone will be worse off and only the anti-immigration lobby would have got what they want.
Have the feeling she's determined to lose the Passporting Rights of the City as well.
Have the feeling she's determined to lose the Passporting Rights of the City as well.
Seems pretty inevitable now. Can't see how she can be in all for stopping immigration and yet still leave a wide open border to the EU with no controls.
Logically, not really. Visa abuse could just as easily come via overstaying tourists*, and Ireland isn't in Shengen so refugees cannot travel visa free. But she will have a political challenge from the right-wing tabloids who will turn that open border into an immigration issue and she doesn't have the backbone to stand up to the right-wing nut jobs
* Like Trump's wall. Will do literally nothing to curb illegal immigration.
I feel the City is still in the bargaining/denial stages of grief. She has been pretty clear, no EEA, no single market, no ECJ all of which means no passporting and no viable equivalence
Quite, this would be the biggest disaster of all.
My housemate who supported leave but did not vote is now complaining prices of food stuffs are going up. I try to explain it's the currency but it's like expecting sense from Mayhem's government.
Barring any last minute miracles (like her actually giving a completely different speech tomorrow) it appears the take away message from the last week is simply 'We're all pretty fecked'.
CBI warns of 'disorderly crash landing' if no negotiated settlement is reached.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ash-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Pages_Manager
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ash-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Pages_Manager