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She doesn't seem to realise how difficult it is going to be to extricate our WTO schedules from the EU and how it will be even more difficult to then change them.
 
And there's the threat Hammond was on about. Fecking delusional. The French will be spitting acid right now.
 
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That is clearly David Bowie.
 
Oh the delicious irony in talking about how they wouldn't want to make people poorer to make a political point. :lol:
 
What is it recently with political leaders doing their best to piss off their most important trading partners? First Trump (Mexico, China, Germany), now this horror show?
 
Hmm, so no single market, no customs union but she wants lots of free trade and the option to sign up for any science things she fancies..
 
Some months back, we were hosting a conference on fighting tax-avaidance. Now, we want to become a tax haven.
 
I've blagged important meetings better than she's doing here and she's had months.
 
Some months back, we were hosting a conference on fighting tax-avaidance. Now, we want to become a tax haven.

Such a blatant sabre-rattle. It's an empty threat too. There's a reason tax havens are usually in the middle of fecking nowhere. No major business will want to relocate to the UK for tax breaks, in the knowledge that the marketplace of 500 million people right beside the UK will do everything in its power to punish them for that decision.
 
So what we learned today is that the final deal will be voted in both houses which has boosted the pound a bit.
As it will throughout Europe.
Other than that, still the cake and eat it, which she can't possibly get but as it's the Uk , the EU are bound to give in to anything the UK demand.

Having contradicted herself over and over, the country is now uniting, good luck with that one
 
Such a blatant sabre-rattle. It's an empty threat too. There's a reason tax havens are usually in the middle of fecking nowhere. No major business will want to relocate to the UK for tax breaks, in the knowledge that the marketplace of 500 million people right beside the UK will do everything in its power to punish them for that decision.
Plus there's basically a (corporate) tax haven right beside them that is in the EU.
 
TLDR: we're still figuring this all out but enjoy some vague but warm and inclusive sounding phrases in the mean time.

I remember Hitchens years ago on American TV retorted that Britain had some pretty stupid leaders too (in response to the idea that Britain had smart leaders in comparison to the States with George Bush Jr at that time). Cameron and May are definitely in that category.
 
Plus there's basically a (corporate) tax haven right beside them that is in the EU.

Well, exactly. Obviously the threat here is to undercut whatever tax breaks Ireland has to offer but the upside of operating within the single market gives us all the cards.
 
I'm not sure no single market access will get through the house to be fair. There seems to be enough tory rebels to defeat it.
 
I thought her tactics were about right until she started with the threats. Presumably intended more for the domestic audience, but a huge mistake, it's what EU members will take away from the speech, and it's a difficult tone to draw back from.
 
Such a blatant sabre-rattle. It's an empty threat too. There's a reason tax havens are usually in the middle of fecking nowhere. No major business will want to relocate to the UK for tax breaks, in the knowledge that the marketplace of 500 million people right beside the UK will do everything in its power to punish them for that decision.

Yep, there is a reason why no countries of comparable sizes ever went down that road. This plan would utterly demolish the financial service sector, one of if not the most immportant pillar of British wealth and economical strength. London is an attractive place for banks because it connects large economies and trading blocs. Becoming a tax haven would completely isolate UK economically.
 
And how will they do that, seems like May wants to lose the main thing the UK cherishes, which is the City and services sector
who knows, you want it to work out. Or did you mean you wanted the best for the uk by staying in the sigle market? which wasn't on the table
 
No deal is better than a bad deal ? We'll walk out of the talks ? So, is no plan better than a bad plan ? Is it better not even to walk into the talks ? Maintain the current Irish border arrangement ? So, could people fly into Dublín, take the train to Belfast and a ferry to England ?
 
No deal is better than a bad deal ? We'll walk out of the talks ? So, is no plan better than a bad plan ? Is it better not even to walk into the talks ? Maintain the current Irish border arrangement ? So, could people fly into Dublín, take the train to Belfast and a ferry to England ?

Kind of like the Seinfeld episode where George ignores all phone calls to avoid breaking up with his girlfriend. May could very well keep kicking the ball down the street until the end of her term.
 
who knows, you want it to work out. Or did you mean you wanted the best for the uk by staying in the sigle market? which wasn't on the table

If the Uk isn't in the single market and will not have ECJ there is a high chance it will lose the service sector. May still seems to think she can cherry pick, it's not possible.
Thus eventual outcome is loss of the City and services . That is a disaster for the UK, forget the trading agreements, that pales into relative insignificance
 
She's basically saying that you EU folks will be sorrier than the remainers, mark my words, without us, you are nothing.
 
I have no problems with the idea that a population influx puts pressure on services, which is why Labour created the Migration Impact Fund, miserably low though it was. But why did the Tories get rid of it all together instead of increasing it to cope with the deficiencies ?
 
I have no problems with the idea that a population influx puts pressure on services, which is why Labour created the Migration Impact Fund, miserably low though it was. But why did the Tories get rid of it all together instead of increasing it to cope with the deficiencies ?
It is bull. The biggest impact on services is austerity and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
 
He speech was full of ifs, but, hopefully, maybe

It is bull. The biggest impact on services is austerity and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
I'm not saying it's the biggest or the only impact, only that it is one. If you have 5 doctors for 200 people, then it goes up to 1000 people, there's an impact. The answer is more funding, not less. But also people were able to blame immigration for things they could see happening.