House prices go down, the job market is less saturated and there's fewer people in the pension pot. Like I said, the people who lose the most in this scenario are the ones who voted for it.
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Not difficult to imagine at all. The sky won't fall, the air become toxic or the earth barren. Things will be much the same as they were before.
Guy Verhofstadt
Britain has chosen a hard Brexit. May's clarity is welcome—but the days of UK cherry-picking and Europe a la cart are over.
Threatening to turn the UK into a deregulated tax heaven will not only hurt British people—it is a counterproductive negotiating tactic
Britain has chosen a hard Brexit. May's clarity is welcome—but the days of UK cherry-picking and Europe a la cart are over.
Threatening to turn the UK into a deregulated tax heaven will not only hurt British people—it is a counterproductive negotiating tactic
Ah yes, a bit like any non-apocalyptic event, then. Great.
I didn't say they would, but I sincerely doubt it will be the same as it has been, but Leavers don't want things to be the same as they were before, otherwise what's the point . I think a rude awakening, however, may be on the cards
The UK needs reforms too, in fact the whole western world bar a few countries need reform so lets start with this. We know the 'same old' and it is shit. Lets go back to trading livestock and clay items, start again. Let banks disappear and take bankers with it. Power to the people!
The "same old" might seem like paradise in a few years time. There's not one single thing that suggests the change will be a change for the better.
Mass unemployment, civil unrest, poverty and hardship. Delightful. Basically the only people who might benefit in the very long term from the apocalypse you're portraying were too young to vote or not even born yet.
Be ironic if we go down this route and end up dumping the NHS on the way to becoming a tax haven after all the false promises made in the build up to the vote.
Is it really? Don't people have more than ever now? Don't people holiday more than ever? I know oldies who have never left the UK and now it seems Ibiza isn't a good enough getaway any longer for the early 20's, instead it's 6 weeks in Thailand.
As highlighted in the winter jacket thread, every fecker seems to own a Canada Goose jacket at 800 quid a pop, we have more gadgets than ever.
So what the hell are people sooo unhappy about? is it just simply the human condition? The more we move away from nature the more depressed and angry we become?
That assumes no political pushback in the coming decades. Eventually people will either wise up and change course, or go to war and we get to have a period of intensive rebuilding afterwards.
Repetition. Say immigrants and/or your political opponents (ideally, both for added affect) are ruining the country over, and over, and over and people will eventually believe you.
Saw this tweet from a brexiter on Verhofstadt's twitter :I'd rather be homeless and starve to death rather than have anything to do with the f***ing EU.
You found Stan's twitter?
You could be rightA friend of mine just shared a photo of some prick wearing a "No to the EU!" baseball hat and an England football shirt. On a flight to Barcelona.
Only someone that is far from starvation and homelessness would write that. People sell their organs to avoid that.
To an extent, probably. We're always seeking more, and for all the advancement we've made as a society there's plenty still to fix and a lot that remains problematic. It's a weird one, because while I fundamentally agree with what you say...that life is better now on average than it's ever been, and that it's possible to do more and go more places...there's a question to be asked as to whether I'd necessarily be any less content or happy had I lived in, say, the 60s or 70s, or another era of relative peace where I'd have been comfortable enough to survive but (perhaps) not so well off and certainly not with the same technology and gadgets we have now.
Of course though, I'm from a background that would mean I'm fairly well off in most Western countries...had I come from a different background it's quite possible the advancements we've made would be significant enough to change my status as a citizen, whether it be to due to class, race, gender, sexuality etc.
The rhetoric largely does seem to be about going back to a time when everything was better, or more prosperous, with a worldview that suited them. But if you asked a Brexiter/Trump supporter who their political idol is/was, I suspect that Thatcher and Reagan would emerge as the two primary figures. And to varying degrees...both largely represent and even epitomise the movement towards globalisation and the acceleration of consumerism/capitalism etc. Not solely, of course, since all of this was around before them, but it's weird that people who want to go back to a better time, want to go back to one wherein the politicians were, to an extent, the antithesis of what they stand for now. As if they're being swayed by the rhetoric as opposed to any genuine belief.
The common market access is zero tariff, access to EU market will happen but at a price, not very difficult to understand, the UK did trade with European countries before the common market. UK basically has said we don't want freedom of movement, and are willing to accept that we will no longer be part of the EU free trade block. As the PM said UK is out and not half out, not sure what is difficult to understand about this.
Immigration is not 500%. If it was, I agree that would result in societal collapse.
A more accurate analogy would be:
You have 5 doctors for 200 people.
It goes up to 218 people and you deport one of the Doctors and let another retire without replacing her due an ideologically driven desire to shrink the state - there's an impact. The answer is more funding. But also people were able to blame immigration because it's easier to blame the people who speak funny.
Don't forget the classic "don't look like us"
The single market
The prime minister does not want Britain to stay in the single market. This is no surprise: May has been repeating since the Conservative party conference in October that her top two Brexit priorities are controlling EU immigration and withdrawing from the jurisdiction of the European court of justice.
Those two objectives are incompatible with membership of the single market and her comments on Tuesday merely confirm that she acknowledges that.
“We will take back control of our laws and put an end to the jurisdiction of the European court in Britain,” May said in her speech. “I want to be clear that what I am proposing cannot mean membership of the single market.”
Single market membership, she said, would mean accepting the EU’s four freedoms – free movement of goods, services, capital and people – and “complying with the EU’s rules and regulations that regulate those freedoms”.
To all intents and purposes, she said, it would mean “not leaving the EU at all”. Instead of membership of the single market, Britain will seek “the greatest possible access to it through a new, comprehensive, bold and ambitious free trade agreement”.
That new trade agreement could, May said, include “elements of current single market arrangements in certain areas”, such as the freedom for the City of London to provide financial services across national borders, since it “makes no sense to start again from scratch”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/17/key-points-from-mays-what-have-we-learned
She knows your economy is pretty fecked if there no access to the single market for the City of London.
I did live in the 60s and 70s and had a comfortable life.
I have asked numerous times over the past 9 months what period do the Brexiters yearn to return to, never got an answer.
People on the whole are much better off than they were. It's false memories.
It makes no sense at all to me.
I've already agreed with all that.
And there we have the vital point
Funnily enough, the worst case scenario you envisioned in your analogy is better than the actual, real world numbers.
You could beef that analogy up with another 6 doctors pissing off to work in Australia because their job has become incompatible with raising a family, thanks to the wildly impractical Tory vote-winning scheme to make the hospitals run full weekday services every weekend without hiring extra staff.
But hey, let's do everything we can to stop overseas doctors propping up the creaking NHS in their absence because immigration is the real problem here.
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The People will cheer as tax rates for banks and bankers drop to single digits, as the UK heroically out-competes the EU.
I can't speak the entire country, but that has been true of Doctors and Academics here in Oxford since before the recession. The cost of living is so absurdly high that if you have a stay at home, or low paid spouse and children to raise you and your family are significantly better off moving to another county or country. And with Oxford University or the John Radcliffe Hospital on your CV another job won't be hard to come by.
What is going to happen with The City now? Because from what I have heard Paris and Frankfurt have waited for that occasion for a long time and will try their best to steal as many banks as they can.
UK will still trade with EU, lot's of alarmists read no access to the single market as no trade. Reality is the UK will trade with the EU both for physical goods, and financial products.
Lower taxes and looser trading practices to offset the loss of free access. It benefits no one, and will exacerbate the inherent problems with financial gambling.
Imo May has virtually offered them on a plate.
Yep, now we're away from the EU (or will be) Germany and France become competitors in a bigger sense than they were before. They may not want to crush us in actual negotiations, as that may make them look bad, but if they could do so externally in trade, thus making Brexit a disaster for us then it'd be a big statement and a big blow for anti-EU movements.
There's always been a trickle of Uk medics to overseas jobs. Usually with a view to padding out their cv and coming back. The trickle has turned into a flood over the last few years, since Jeremy Hunt took charge, with fewer and fewer returning. Ironically, reliance on EU medical school graduates to fill holes in the service is at an all-time high.
Let's see what happens, but i think she is a bit in a "lose-lose situation". A true Hard Brexit would probably a disaster for the City of London, while a soft one wouldn't be good for the right-wing Tories.
I'm italian who lived and worked in London for 10 months from 2013 to 2014. I am really interested in what could happen to a country i have always liked.
Yeah you're right, London City will close, and the UK will cease to exist as a financial services provider. I am just waiting for my
Out of interest how would you have positioned it in the unlikely event you acknowledged what the UK people wanted, and had to go to the negotiating table?
We will still trade, and still work in each other's countries, just under some different terms.