Well the anti EU sentiments will push politics towards applying some reforms, and there's not much wrong with that. But then again, normally I'd say the end results of Brexit would only mean some title changes and sensible reforms too. The problem is though, at the moment it seems like a massive and very unnecessary risk, the whole Western world is proper a shambles right now and all this political chair switching can create huge volatility. Which on its turn, throughout history, usually has led to monumental cock-ups instead of sensible decisons.
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Well the anti EU sentiments will push politics towards applying some reforms, and there's not much wrong with that. But then again, normally I'd say the end results of Brexit would only mean some title changes and sensible reforms too. The problem is though, at the moment it seems like a massive and very unnecessary risk, the whole Western world is proper a shambles right now and all this political chair switching can create huge volatility. Which on its turn, throughout history, usually has led to monumental cock-ups instead of sensible decisons.
No it won't. You decide to stick customs checks on all the trucks that pass through Holland and Visa requirments on all the Drivers and see how long it lasts
Its a nation that sits slap bang between the continents two large economies. It's the port for a lot of goods that travel into this nations. People and goods will pass through their everyday. It doesn't take a lot to work out why making things harder for Dutch citizens to trade outside their border would make them poorer.
Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, is in India and, speaking in Delhi, he has responded to French criticism of the UK’s plan to leave the European union, implicitly comparing the French president, Francois Hollande, to a Nazi. He said:
If Mr Hollande wants to administer punishment beatings to anybody who seeks to escape [the EU], in the manner of some world war two movie, I don’t think that is the way forward, and it’s not in the interests of our friends and partners.
It seems absolutely incredible to me that in the 21st century member states of the EU should be seriously contemplating the reintroduction of tariffs or whatever to administer punishment to the UK.
Does Boris actually understand anything at all?
If Mr Hollande wants to administer punishment beatings to anybody who seeks to escape [the EU], in the manner of some world war two movie, I don’t think that is the way forward, and it’s not in the interests of our friends and partners.
It seems absolutely incredible to me that in the 21st century member states of the EU should be seriously contemplating the reintroduction of tariffs or whatever to administer punishment to the UK.
Does Boris actually understand anything at all?
That's cause the British fishermen sold their rights to them. Can't blame the EU for that
This rings a lot of bells to me. This is very much my view prior to the vote and most remainers I've talked to. It does get a bit tiring being told to shove our 'love of the EU' when most don't even care that much either way - we just knew politicians were lying through their teeth regarding what would happen in the scenario of Brexit and preferred to keep things as they are (as we had current day evidence that being in the EU doesn't mean the sky is falling). I don't care for Brussels but the EU hasn't done (and wouldn't have done) anything to stop me achieving what I want. I guess I don't feel my future is particularly threatened by Brexit but I don't see where things are going to improve with this process.
Again I find irony in the right-wing types who usually call those on the left 'the extremists' being the major drivers of a move that will destabilise an entire country for little justification.
Someone should explain this nutjob that tariffs are not punishment, but the norm when it comes to international trading. The excemption of said tariffs is the whole purpose of a trading bloc like the EU, a bloc he did his utmost (including telling blatant lies) to lead his people out of.
He understands but too many people are pretending that you can leave a custom union and still benefit from it's advantages, it makes no sense but some people think that it's a thing. Also let's pretend that the UK don't use tariffs.
As usual, I think he's cleverer than he seems. He's throwing shapes so when the Uk gets fecked, financially, by Brexit this can be spun into the evil EU "punishing" them even though he knows full well a reintroduction of tariffs is inevitable. The odious, deceitful prick.
Quite honestly, from the reactions I heard from a lot of Brexiters, they are not pretending but simply massively misinformed and never bothered to educate themselves before voting their country towards the edge of a cliff. With May they have also find themselves the suitable person to push it over said edge.
So, in the name of free trade can we expect Admiral Johnson's fleet to blast its way into Rotterdam port ?
What would they do, move it one weekend?
I'm not going to tell you why you are wrong but carry on.
While Boris is a nutter that has had praise on the caf before brexit, who the feck is Hollande to have an opinion on anything, get yer own fecking house in order Mr Popular
Well, as of right now he is the political leader of the 2nd strongest EU economy and a country with a direct and pretty important border to the UK. If he is not allowed to have an opinion on the kind of Brexit the British government is planning than who is?
I'm starting to think you're way out of depth in all these discussions and are just trolling at this stage.
Something you have in common with a lot of the main Leave campaigners.
At one point the leaders of each EU member will be part of negotiations. Hollande won´t sign anything at that point, but right now he is still a main player of the EU.
Never said anything about growth, I was talking about current size. When Bulgaria overtakes France in that aspect we can talk.
Comparing growth percentages with each other is misleading in the first place as it does not take the size of an economy into account. If I go according to that chart, I would think that the German economy is struggling, which is according to all experts pretty much nonsense. Massive economies growing one percent is just way harder to accomplish than smaller countries like Portugal or Bulgaria.
The quirk to this story is that Hollande hasn't said anything. It's what is going to happen if the UK leave whether Boris likes it or not.
Wasn't it last week when he called the "Height of Insanity" to endanger the Anglo-German investment in each other's country - the Uk have done that by leaving
Boris is supposed to be the UK's foreign secretary who surely must have even just a basic understanding of how the world works
He is totally clueless.
Exactly. Ireland's GDP growth rate in 2016 was better than any country on that chart (despite being not included, for some reason) but only an idiot would use these data to try and argue that our economy is in better shape than Germany's.
Well you have a lot in common with remain campers and while I thought you had no idea on this topic, I did not want to mention it but now you have.....
Don't know mate, it's only the remain campers that listen to him, tells you enough
Would you say the French economy is in good shape?
Being just "Big" isn't the be all and end all
The person in charge when negotiations begin
Large economy yes, large growth no
If Germany is growing by 0.2 percent, France by 0.2 percent and Bulgaria by 0.8 percent which is more important to do business with?Clue: 0.8 percent of Bulgaria's GDP is $0.4 billion, 0.2 percent of France's GDP is $5.6 billion, and 0.2 percent of Germany's GDP is $7.4 billion
But yes. Let's focus on growth markets, because of course the difference between relative and absolute growth does not exist for Brexiters.
He's someone who likes to play the fool because he thinks he's intelligent, but who in reality is nowhere near as intelligent as he (and others around him) believe.
He's well-educated, yeah, but I genuinely don't think he's as clever as people make him out to be: picked the wrong horse in the Brexit debate and had no alternative, managed to insult a whole batch of people upon becoming Foreign Secretary, and managed to have his leadership chances damaged by Michael fecking Gove. I refuse to believe anyone who is obscured from doing what they want by Michael Gove is as intelligent as they say they are.
It isn't, and I'd say quality of living, safety etc is more important to a country, but the original point of discussion relates to France (and Hollande's importance) and that is unquestioned considering their size and status. Growth charts don't deflate their status.
UK, growing more than france and Germany even tho it's doomed
Ethiopia are top of the world GDP growth league
Well I see Hollandes opinion now about the same as any leader on the way out
At our current rate they'll be matching us in more than the growth league in a few years time.
Yeah we did this months ago
You find huge stagnant economies the place to be at and I dont
That's not the point though, France are the second biggest market and 0.2% means that that market is still growing, not by much but it's still growing and that market has a say in those negotiations.
Also Hollande didn't say anything.
Countries coming from way down have considerably more scope to grow
Oh absolutely. It's all relative. He's cleverer than he seems but mainly because he seems so unbelievably stupid.
Well, Ethopia is probably nice this time of the year. I rather stay in my stagnating country, which has by pretty much all accounts a damn high standart of living.
Is it, I thought the UK was, that same uk that's growing more that france even in crisis
I'm sure it does, for 100% of its inhabitants I'm sure it does
Johnson said: “[Britain] can put a 10% tariff on 820,000 cars, Mercs. That’s a lot of money for the exchequer.
Does he understand that it is the British consumer who is paying the 10% not the manufacturer. Does the average Brexiter understand this.
Does he understand that it is the British consumer who is paying the 10% not the manufacturer. Does the average Brexiter understand this.
Yep. We are going to have to conquer the world again.So, in the name of free trade can we expect Admiral Johnson's fleet to blast its way into Rotterdam port ?
Aren't we talking about negotiations with the UK on the other side of the table? With Brexit, France is the second biggest market in the EU and a market almost as big as the Uk market by the way, so neither country should start a dick swinging contest.