Should Wenger be sacked?

Should Arsenal sack Wenger

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Honestly think they shouldnt. Wenger might not bring them trophies, but he is a good manager who brings Arsenal stsbility around the top, and with Chelsea being back, United, City and Chelsea going to spend big and Spurs/Liverpool coming up, Arsenal needs to stick to their guns of getting a lot out of what they have. Recently they have even worker on trouble areas, signing a keeper, cb and dm while experimenting with Sanchez as a striker.

Changing the manager now could disrupt their squad, big risk to take while kicking a club legend in the balls.
 
They won't win the title with him, that's for sure. But the question is what they want after wenger? Arsenal's board, I just don't understand them, I don't know what are their goals. To me it seems that they want wenger because with him they a guaranteed CL spot. They know nothing about football so basically they have put Wenger in charge. if wenger can win the league then good and if he can't they don't care. I don't think they have enough hunger and desire and knowledge to lead the club after Wenger. I don't think without Wenger they definitely get better, I think there's a very good chance they even get worse.

About Wenger, he said they are building this new stadium to be on the level of the giants of europe and now he is using that stadium as an excuse for not even win the league once in a while. Every season they are the same, the same routine. The mentality of Arsenal has gone from the best in England to even worse than Liverpool. Their performance in champios league is embarrassing. And Wenger is responsible for these things. I can't believe that he is getting a new contract. This team is unbelievable.
 
What is the point of finishing top 4 every season if you never win the Champions League? If you never even get close to winning it.

Arsenal's constant failures in Europe completely negates their top 4 finishes for me.
 
Anybody who buys into the whole "ozil wants wenger to stay to sign" bs is so innocent

There's only one thing ozil cares for, that will decide wether he'll sign a new contract with arsenal or elsewhere.

Hint: it's not the manager
 
Wenger is fantastic, and the prem will be poorer for it when he walks away, as will probably be Arsenal.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
What is the point of finishing top 4 every season if you never win the Champions League? If you never even get close to winning it.

Arsenal's constant failures in Europe completely negates their top 4 finishes for me.
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Or another way of looking at it, he's the only manager with any real consistency. Heck look at Mourinho with Chelsea last season. Look at United post Fergie, look at us post.... well let's say Rafa. City have had their dips too.

Arsenal haven't. They're always there. Season in season out, while other teams fall and come back. He never falls.

Maybe I only think this because as a Liverpool fan I guess what he's doing with Arsenal is what I want someone to do with us. For a good 5 years at least.

I think he's a fantastic manager, and the only thing holding him back is his refusal to spend big money on players. The few times he does it works wonders and they clearly have the scouts who knows how to pick em as well. Özil and Sánchez are fantastic buys, he needs to make one signing like this every summer I think. At least.

And he can, it's not like he can't, he just chooses not to.
 
R.E.D. said:
About Wenger, he said they are building this new stadium to be on the level of the giants of europe and now he is using that stadium as an excuse for not even win the league once in a while.
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They had to pay off the stadium debt first but once that was done/once it is done it definitely has/will improve(d) their ability to spend. Did you not think that building a stadium was going to cost money?
 
He's managed Arsenal for 21 years, during that time he's won the following.

Premier league - 3 times
Fa cup - 6 times

Two of the FA Cups were won during double years so that's only four other seasons with trophies won. 14 years without a single trophy, for a club of Arsenal's size that's pretty poor.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
When Conte started managing Juventus (ranking 7th at the league for 2 previous seasons) it wasn't an one team league at all. But he made it, by winning not 1 but 3 titles consecutively. Of course Allegri then has done a great job in maintaining and improving Juventus's power and dominance.
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And it wasn't easy coming after Conte.
 
LFC-Fans said:
Or another way of looking at it, he's the only manager with any real consistency. Heck look at Mourinho with Chelsea last season. Look at United post Fergie, look at us post.... well let's say Rafa. City have had their dips too.

Arsenal haven't. They're always there. Season in season out, while other teams fall and come back. He never falls.

Maybe I only think this because as a Liverpool fan I guess what he's doing with Arsenal is what I want someone to do with us. For a good 5 years at least.

I think he's a fantastic manager, and the only thing holding him back is his refusal to spend big money on players. The few times he does it works wonders and they clearly have the scouts who knows how to pick em as well. Özil and Sánchez are fantastic buys, he needs to make one signing like this every summer I think. At least.

And he can, it's not like he can't, he just chooses not to.
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I'd rather finish 1st, 10th and then 1st again like Chelsea will do than finish 4th,3rd and 2nd like Arsenal have.

Finishing top 4 is fine up to a point, but when you don't get past the first knockout round for 7 years in a row, when you don't put in a proper title challenge for 13 years then what is the point of finishing top 4.

He never falls but he never succeeds either.
 
Obviously you don't mean sack him before the end of this season but rather not offer him a new contract as his current one expires this summer.

I have to say that it comes down to what kind of succession plan Arsenal have in place. I am not familiar with the inner workings of Arsenal and maybe an Arsenal fan can correct me here, but they strike me as a club that has been reshaped into the way Wenger likes things to run, not too dissimilar from the way things were at United under Fergie.

I would say that Arsenal would be taking an unnecessary risk if they were to just decide towards the end of the season that it is time to part ways without a succession plan. They can, theoritacally, do what City did to an extent. Agree with Wenger that next season will be his last and behind the scenes tie down their favourite candidate. If they were to do it now while discussing terms with Wenger, they will have a year and half to prepare for the transition. That will allow the new manager a lot of time to unofficially assess things and start working behind the scenes. Pep and Txiki worked that way and although it wasn't perfect, I would say it was better than the car crash that was Moyes.

Obviously the football world is not used to doing things this way and it is also no guarantee that it would be a smooth transition but I think Arsenal are in a unique situation that might allow them to pull it off. Wenger is getting older and closer to retirement and I think he can be part of the process.

This all ties into the idea that Arsenal are not as resilient as we are and a couple of seasons outside the top 4 might be more damaging to them than it's been to us.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
What is the point of finishing top 4 every season if you never win the Champions League? If you never even get close to winning it.

Arsenal's constant failures in Europe completely negates their top 4 finishes for me.
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Pretty much this.

It will always be difficult to win a league title when the opposition managers are Fergie, Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti and now Pep, Klopp and Conte. The CL as tough as it is, is still a cup competition and the furthest they been since the final in 06 was the semi final against us in 09. I mentioned this in an other Arsenal thread (Sorry to the Arsenal fan I forgot to reply back to)but barring a couple of FA Cup wins nothing has change for Arsenal in almost 10 years.
 
TBF what would the objective be for the next manager to come in given the quality of rivals in the top 6 of the Premier League? And would they more or less likely than Wenger to achieve it?

On the flip side though who knows what effect Wenger leaving would have on their transfer ambition, possibly the same as to ourselves when Fergie left - untold riches just being hoarded currently by a stubborn unwillingness to risk anything resembling overspending their beloved club's dough.
 
He should have been sacked few years ago. Every year it's the same thing and I can understand Arsenal fans being frustrated by it.
Obviously I want him to continue and sign a new contract but if I were an Arsenal fan I'd be furious.

No league title since 2004. That's just bad.

Come to think of it, everybody is saying despite all that he's a great manager and all. But generally he hasn't won that much and his trust in youth or whatever hasn't really produced anything. And his best players have left Arsenal constantly. He's a very good manager and will be regarded as such but not a top manager imo.

Every year they collapse and fail to mount a title challenge, go out in last 16 CL, secure top 4, rinse and repeat.

They play some nice football but that's about it. Players are mentally weak and have been like that for years. It seems like Wenger collects them. :)

Before anyone jumps in with the fact they've been above United since Fergie retired.. United, despite all the shit that has been going on and despite the fact we've been cack since Moyes took over, at least shows some ambition and is trying to get back to the top. Will that tries be successful we will see but we want to come back and come back quickly. Arsenal is always near the top but never on the top. And as long as AW stays it will stay like that.
 
It's all very well sacking him or getting him to resign. It's an entirely different proposition getting someone better in
 
When it's all said and done, despite the reaction at the time, Mourinho summed it up best: 'specialist in failure'.

It's clear to me that this is the main reason why Jose doesn't really like Wenger. He obviously thinks Arsene gets way too much a free ride for being unsuccessful, and that he is held to a much harsher standard. He has referenced a few times how a 'certain manager' is allowed to not win and keep his job.
 
A tap on the shoulder by the club is the way to go. It would be quite horrible for the club to sack him after what he has done for the club these past twenty years or so.
 
ryan cook said:
A tap on the shoulder by the club is the way to go. It would be quite horrible for the club to sack him after what he has done for the club these past twenty years or so.
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I agree, to an extent, but I'm not convinced his 'achievements' should be grouped into 'the last 20 years'.

I thought the main charge being levied at him is that he has done next to nothing for the last 12 of those.
 
LFC-Fans said:
Or another way of looking at it, he's the only manager with any real consistency. Heck look at Mourinho with Chelsea last season. Look at United post Fergie, look at us post.... well let's say Rafa. City have had their dips too.

Arsenal haven't. They're always there. Season in season out, while other teams fall and come back. He never falls.

Maybe I only think this because as a Liverpool fan I guess what he's doing with Arsenal is what I want someone to do with us. For a good 5 years at least.

I think he's a fantastic manager, and the only thing holding him back is his refusal to spend big money on players. The few times he does it works wonders and they clearly have the scouts who knows how to pick em as well. Özil and Sánchez are fantastic buys, he needs to make one signing like this every summer I think. At least.

And he can, it's not like he can't, he just chooses not to.
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Is there any proof of this?
 
Only way he ever gets sacked is if he's actually too stubborn to get gently pushed upstairs.
 
Careful what you wish for , you Gooners!!
Once Wenger has gone and you are scraping around 6/7/8th position in Feb /March , you will all look right Twats!!
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
What is the point of finishing top 4 every season if you never win the Champions League? If you never even get close to winning it.

Arsenal's constant failures in Europe completely negates their top 4 finishes for me.
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Negates for you. top 4 isnt about winning CL, its about money.
 
They'll never win the league again with him in charge, but they risk freefall if he goes. Up to them on taking that risk but if it were my club I'd want a change.
 
He should leave because he has spent money in recent years and still failed completely at not just winning a league but even mounting a sustained challenge until the final 2-3 weeks of the season. This includes a time period in which we lost Fergie and haven't once come close to challenging since, effectively removing one of the biggest competitors and obstacles in his path. In other seasons during this time period City and Chelsea have struggled and Liverpool, bar the year Luis Suarez made Brendan Rodgers look like a genius, have never provided much of a threat either.

To not even challenge during this time, while also spending a fair bit of money in the transfer market is a massive failure and one which should see Arsenal part ways with him if their ambition is to win titles and not just achieve top 4 status perennially.
 
No. People are deluded if they think you can regularly compete with the likes of Chelsea/City/United on a fraction of the budget.
 
LFC-Fans said:
Or another way of looking at it, he's the only manager with any real consistency. Heck look at Mourinho with Chelsea last season. Look at United post Fergie, look at us post.... well let's say Rafa. City have had their dips too.

Arsenal haven't. They're always there. Season in season out, while other teams fall and come back. He never falls.

Maybe I only think this because as a Liverpool fan I guess what he's doing with Arsenal is what I want someone to do with us. For a good 5 years at least.

I think he's a fantastic manager, and the only thing holding him back is his refusal to spend big money on players. The few times he does it works wonders and they clearly have the scouts who knows how to pick em as well. Özil and Sánchez are fantastic buys, he needs to make one signing like this every summer I think. At least.

And he can, it's not like he can't, he just chooses not to.
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So does Pulis TBF....Why should that matter?. Moyes consistently kept Everton midtable with limited resources and once he moved up a level he was found out and thats exactly the case with Wenger. He is found out and getting in the top 4 is his level and he will never win the title irrespective of the players he signs.

Leicester won it last year ahead of them. Are you suggesting that Wenger not buying big money players is the reason they lost the title?.
 
goin4glory said:
No. People are deluded if they think you can regularly compete with the likes of Chelsea/City/United on a fraction of the budget.
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What about last year's champions?. How did they manage to win the title?.
 
Stadjer said:
Total fluke.. a once in lifetime thing.
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notcool said:
That was 5000-1, a complete anomaly. Not something from which you draw conclusions.
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Maybe it was a fluke or an anamoly but my point was to counter the argument that Wenger needs to spend big money to win the league. Leicester proved any team can win it without money.

If you need a better example, In the last ten years Liverpool have have come perilously close to winning the league, twice, than Arsenal ever did, with similar/less resources.
 
bleedred said:
Maybe it was a fluke or an anamoly but my point was to counter the argument that Wenger needs to spend big money to win the league. Leicester proved any team can win it without money.
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No, they proved the opposite. The reaction people had shows just how unusual it was for such a small club to do so, confirming you need to spend big to win.
 
Oh hell no. Keep Wenger as manager forever. We won't have to worry about them challenging for the title. One less competitor for the title.
 
Sacking him would be a bit of a slap in the face. Ok, he has'nt won the league for a long time, but he did provide the platform for Arsenal to move to a new stadium and kept them competitive during that time, and in the Champions League.

But he should retire.
 
Wenger should step down on his own accord. He has been consistent for Arsenal the past few year with champion league football and they have always managed to be placed near the top of the league. A feet difficult for even the best managers in the premier league. When that consistency is gone, then I believe Arsenal should sack him.
 
Arsenal FC's board hasn't hired or fired a manager. Wenger is the last of the 'gaffers' and dto replace him, they would need a Director of Football and a person in charge of recruitment and appoint another person well connected with Arsenal matters and football to the board (this could be wenger himself)

It's not just replacing a manager and it doesn't seem like they have started this huge transition. They are better off with Arsene for at least another year until they make these sort of changes. If not, they will surely run into a situation like us with Fergie.
 
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