Should Wenger be sacked?

Should Arsenal sack Wenger

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giorno said:
Would be interesting to have a look at the PL wage bills from 2005/6 until 2012/13. Then we'd have a clearer picture of quality of his job during that stretch. From the outside, you'd say he did well. Neither overachieved nor underachieved. Last four seasons are another matter though, especially 2015/16
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It certainly would be disappointing last year, despite coming 2nd in the legue and having a lower wage bill than Chelsea and Manchester clubs (if we were to apply current 16/17 wage packets, Arsenal pay the lowest out the 4 according to google).

I think in the bulk of the last 5-6 years, Arsenal have only paid their players more than Chelsea in one particular year (I think it was 2014). If I'm not mistaken they have been the most thrifty in their pay packets for the majority of the time.
 
VP89 said:
It certainly would be disappointing last year, despite coming 2nd in the legue and having a lower wage bill than Chelsea and Manchester clubs (if we were to apply current 16/17 wage packets, Arsenal pay the lowest out the 4 according to google)
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So finishing 2nd, 10 points behind leicester fecking city without even challenging them beyond february is now not a colossal failure because chelsea had to deal with a mutiny and man utd and city were downright please-just-let-them-go-straight-to-next-season futile? Are you for real?
 
giorno said:
So finishing 2nd, 10 points behind leicester fecking city without even challenging them beyond february is now not a colossal failure because chelsea had to deal with a mutiny and man utd and city were downright please-just-let-them-go-straight-to-next-season futile? Are you for real?
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I agreed last season was disappointing, so I'm not sure why you appear to be at odds in your post.

Although if I were to play devils advocate and defend Wenger - last season was a good example as to what you risk when you chop/change managers in the modern football perspective. You risk an identity crisis, players not enjoying new manager methods and a bigger outflow of cash in making things right again.

City were even worse than Arsenal were (with a far more expensive team), Chelsea as you say had a mutiny and we didn't look much better under LVG despite being 2/3rds into his 'grand plan'. All finished comfortably below Arsenal who favored continuity under the established manager they had.
 
Anirudh said:
Arsenal might crumble like United once he goes, or appoint a great manager who makes them win trophies. Either way, Arsene is so entrenched in that club that once he goes, they are likely to have an identity crisis.
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The difference is that with Fergie we were winning things, they aren't however they have a relatively younger core than the one Fergie left and they can choose not to appoint David fecking Moyes. If they get a new manager with potential to achieve great things he will revitalize the club and lead them to greater heights than barely holding on to a CL place and getting knocked out at the first knockout stage.
 
VP89 said:
I agreed last season was disappointing, so I'm not sure why you appear to be at odds in your post.
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A misundersting

Although if I were to play devils advocate and defend Wenger - last season was a good example as to what you risk when you chop/change managers in the modern football perspective. You risk an identity crisis, players not enjoying new manager methods and a bigger outflow of cash in making things right again.

City were even worse than Arsenal were (with a far more expensive team), Chelsea as you say had a mutiny and we didn't look much better under LVG despite being 2/3rds into his 'grand plan'. All finished comfortably below Arsenal who favored continuity under the established manager they had.
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I don't get it. City failed badly last season, sure. They also won the title two years ago. Chelsea had a mutiny last season, they won the title in 2015 and 2017. What's so great about consistently being in the top 4 without ever challenging for the title?
 
The lack seemingly of a succession plan should worry supporters. There's a "we'll cross that bridge later" attitude about I it all it seems.
 
giorno said:
A misundersting


I don't get it. City failed badly last season, sure. They also won the title two years ago. Chelsea had a mutiny last season, they won the title in 2015 and 2017. What's so great about consistently being in the top 4 without ever challenging for the title?
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Yeah its not easy playing devils advocate in this - when its literally proven that changing managers will get you a title in 2 rival clubs, or at worse an FA Cup in our case (which is all they've won in the last decade anyway).. its tough to argue against Wenger leaving.
 
Yorkeontop said:
The lack seemingly of a succession plan should worry supporters. There's a "we'll cross that bridge later" attitude about I it all it seems.
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Which club has a succession plan (or one which they declare publicly)?
 
VP89 said:
It certainly would be disappointing last year, despite coming 2nd in the legue and having a lower wage bill than Chelsea and Manchester clubs (if we were to apply current 16/17 wage packets, Arsenal pay the lowest out the 4 according to google).

I think in the bulk of the last 5-6 years, Arsenal have only paid their players more than Chelsea in one particular year (I think it was 2014). If I'm not mistaken they have been the most thrifty in their pay packets for the majority of the time.
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Their fans pay the most. Where is the money going?
 
I'm not an expert, but Wenger shouldn't let go Eboue. The damage started from there.
 
Matchday income pales in comparison to the incomes made from the very real (in some cases ie Man Utd) and sometimes slightly not so real (Man City) sponsorship deals.

I have to say, go or not, the likes of the bludfam guy who stands there insulting Wenger, calling him a fraud etc is such a fool. Regardless of what you think he is like now, Wenger has done great things at that club.
 
africanspur said:
Matchday income pales in comparison to the incomes made from the very real (in some cases ie Man Utd) and sometimes slightly not so real (Man City) sponsorship deals.

I have to say, go or not, the likes of the bludfam guy who stands there insulting Wenger, calling him a fraud etc is such a fool. Regardless of what you think he is like now, Wenger has done great things at that club.
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but Wenger has said repeatedly that there are funds available. He said that he spends the money as if its his own so this suggests that's Arsenal are not cash tight, Wenger just doesn't want to waste money. Thus he is holding them back from their full potential and wants a crutch to lean on to excuse his lack of recent success. Jose is completely the opposite. He demands large sums of money and has destroyed Wenger in the trophy department.
 
africanspur said:
Matchday income pales in comparison to the incomes made from the very real (in some cases ie Man Utd) and sometimes slightly not so real (Man City) sponsorship deals.

I have to say, go or not, the likes of the bludfam guy who stands there insulting Wenger, calling him a fraud etc is such a fool. Regardless of what you think he is like now, Wenger has done great things at that club.
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Have you seen Arsenals sponsorship revenues? They are doing very well.
 
Cassidy said:
Have you seen Arsenals sponsorship revenues? They are doing very well.
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Oh no doubt and ours and Liverpool's for example pales in comparison.

I'm just referring to why their wage bill may be lower than Chelsea and the two Mancunian clubs, despite good matchday income.
 
Stacks said:
but Wenger has said repeatedly that there are funds available. He said that he spends the money as if its his own so this suggests that's Arsenal are not cash tight, Wenger just doesn't want to waste money. Thus he is holding them back from their full potential and wants a crutch to lean on to excuse his lack of recent success. Jose is completely the opposite. He demands large sums of money and has destroyed Wenger in the trophy department.
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That is true to an extent. I'm not saying at all that Arsenal don't have more to spend if they do wish (though its also prudent to note the sums spent on Sanchez, Mustafi, Ozil etc recently). I also understand that Arsenal pay their squad players a lot (as well as their younger players) and have done for a while which may inhibit them from paying their top players the very top amounts.

I just mean that its not surprising that Arsenal have smaller wage budgets than the other three.
 
Stacks said:
but Wenger has said repeatedly that there are funds available. He said that he spends the money as if its his own so this suggests that's Arsenal are not cash tight, Wenger just doesn't want to waste money. Thus he is holding them back from their full potential and wants a crutch to lean on to excuse his lack of recent success. Jose is completely the opposite. He demands large sums of money and has destroyed Wenger in the trophy department.
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Or that they're spending at capacity. They spent £90m this season and their net spend is more that Chelsea's for the last 5 seasons.
 
africanspur said:
Oh no doubt and ours and Liverpool's for example pales in comparison.

I'm just referring to why their wage bill may be lower than Chelsea and the two Mancunian clubs, despite good matchday income.
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But their wage bill is actually pretty high. They just pay average players like Wallcott too much
 
Compared to the othe top sides, they don't. They're paying their stars considerably less though. I agree though that given their wage bill, they have too much money tied up in manager and squad players.

BTW, the real indicator of a team's performance are the points total, more than final position. If arsenal finished on 85 points last season and still lost because leicester got more, kudos to leicester. You couldn't really consider that underachieving, even though you lost the title to leicester fecking city
 
My vote is yes, their fans want so much more from their team and I don't think Wenger has the ambition, nor is capable, of achieving something better than top 4. They pay the most expensive tickets but what they get back is not proportionate and it isn't like they're playing beautiful football anymore. So getting top 4 is kinda of pointless now because they haven't been very good in UCL so they're like stuckin this vicious circle were they do good enough for prevent the board sacking Wenger but they aren't improving at all. They're too stale at the moment so I believe they do need a drastic change like getting a new manager and stepping out of their comfort zone.
 
Arsenal fans need to be careful what they wish for.

If he does go (which I think he will), someone else will come in, with a different playing style, different coaching methods, different ways entirely. As United fans, we all know what that recipe can mean. They need to be really careful to not lose the magic within the team that allows them 4th every season.
 
Not a clear hint in his press conference today. Hasn't he decided yet or he is just waiting to announce it?
 
Looking at the poll results, why would any United fan want Wenger sacked? I would clone him and put him in charge of Chelsea and City as well.
 
It's tricky. The way I see it - if Arsenal fire Wenger, they could easily end up like we did with Moyes. Over the last 10 years, when I have looked at Arsenal, I kept thinking: if they get 2-3 key players in - they will win it. But of course with Wenger that never happened. For instance the lack of a decent goalkeeper before Cech.

But I don't see it anymore. They have a good side of course, but looking at this Arsenal-side - how many real quality players do they have ? If we are nice - we can give them Koscielny, Bellerin, Sanchez and maybe 1-2 more. But the problem is that a lot of their key players aren't 20-22 years anymore - they are 28-32.

Cech turns 35 in may, Sanchez 28, Özil 28, Cazorla 32, Koscielny 31, Walcott turns 28 in march, Monreal turns 31 in a few weeks, Giroud 30

We are not talking 2-3 players anymore - we could easily be talking about a complete transformation. And if they don't get the right man for the job - Arsenal could struggle.

So am I impressed with Wenger ? No - not over the last 3-4 years where I feel Arsenal have gone the wrong way - but they should be absolutely certain they can get the right man for the job if they let Wenger go. As it stands now - Arsenal could easily quickly move in the wrong direction unless the right person comes in
 
Yes, i feel proper sorry for that Claude fella, he needs some hope in his life and Wenger is the antidote to hope for Arsenal fans. Imagine being consistently top 4 for the past 13 years but never making it, like getting your monkey spanked by Jennifer Aniston for the same time and never busting. No wonder they're all batshit crazy.
 
pilky02 said:
Imagine being consistently top 4 for the past 13 years but never making it, like getting your monkey spanked by Jennifer Aniston for the same time and never busting. No wonder they're all batshit crazy.
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...or being fourth in the queue and never reaching the front.
 
A lot of people are talking about the Arsenal style and, if they bring in a new manager, he will have to conform with this, but isn't that part of the problem? They seem like a side that plays pretty football but ultimately can't compete. That's something they would want to get away from, not continue. And why does Arsene's style merit to be called Arsenal's style? Why not the style of George Graham, who was more defensive.
 
Telling them to be more like spurs fans isn't going to help his position much.
It's funny but not going to help him convince the Arsenal fans.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Telling them to be more like spurs fans isn't going to help his position much.
It's funny but not going to help him convince the Arsenal fans.
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Gotta admit that Sky click-baited that pretty nicely, he didn’t really say that in the article.
 
top1whoisman said:
Gotta admit that Sky click-baited that pretty nicely, he didn’t really say that in the article.
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Yeah the headline drew me in and then I realised he didn't even say that.
He should walk though, the cycle that they've been in for years is utterly pointless.
 
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/wenger-our-fans-should-be-like-tottenhams-rw8srt9kb

“All the other clubs, everywhere we fight with Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool they have big expectations as well and big histories,” Wenger said, as reported by The Times. “You have Tottenham, everyone is in the fight and everyone is behind their team. We have to do exactly the same, even if we had two disappointing results. We are in a fight there, we absolutely have to be united or we have no chance to do it.

“Our fans have been consistent and have a high level of expectation, as I have as well. But I don’t feel it is absolutely clear. You cannot be a fan until last Tuesday and not be a fan anymore and not be behind the team this Saturday, it doesn’t make sense.”

Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/arsene-...re-like-tottenhams/899562#WIlxdMPxxrd4ePe6.99"
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There's a Moyes in all of us.
 
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