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David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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I can't see how our prospects of a post-Brexit trade deal are going to be helped by allowing President Trump to meet David Moyes - the government really should step-in before Moyes takes us from 1st in the queue for a trade deal, to 7th.
Too funny. He must have thought he'd cracked it after last weekends result.
Sorry but I find this really meaningless. Why revel at his misery? He has had his fair share of criticism for what he did here but seriously do you expect him to voluntarily retire? Why would he do that if he is being given jobs?
Leave him alone and end this obsession. He is having a hard time and probably is very close to getting sacked. Despite the lack of self-awareness that he demonstrates in public, probably he feels extremely dejected once he is alone for missing out on such a big opportunity.
Leave him alone and end this obsession. He is having a hard time and probably is very close to getting sacked. Despite the lack of self-awareness that he demonstrates in public, probably he feels extremely dejected once he is alone for missing out on such a big opportunity.
He can cross the street to Trump Tower. If that fails, he can cross again..then again..then again..
Donald Trump is at the level Moyes aspires to be
Maybe he's going to get tips on building a defensive wall
How do you go from a 4 nil win away last week to getting smashed 4 nil this week?
Last week was just a blip and Palace are shit.
Moyes would probably find a way to let Rangers pip them to the title on the final day of the season or some shit.
Just seen the goals on MOTD. Horrible defending!
He should of never taken the job. Sunderland have been fighting relegation for 5 years now and should of gone down way before this season.
Their board doesn't invest enough money and unfortunately for them geography means a lot of foreign players don't want to go there if offers are elsewhere.
It's hard to blame Moyes for anything that is happening at Sunderland. And this will only damage his CV further. I think a lot of people forget what a good job he did for Everton. Koeman is getting plaudits at Everton right now yet his current position in the league is not better than what Moyes managed to do.
Their board doesn't invest enough money and unfortunately for them geography means a lot of foreign players don't want to go there if offers are elsewhere.
It's hard to blame Moyes for anything that is happening at Sunderland. And this will only damage his CV further. I think a lot of people forget what a good job he did for Everton. Koeman is getting plaudits at Everton right now yet his current position in the league is not better than what Moyes managed to do.
He's brought it on himself @Subho611 with his constant bad comments about United since leaving the club & how hard done by he was. If he had shown any humility I'm sure most fans wouldn't revel in it as much as we do.
So many things wrong with your post.
Sunderland has been like this for years, yet their previous managers (usually without full season) with their ability had kept them up, so if Moyes couldn't keep them up, then it's fair enough that he can shoulder some blame. He spent more than the previous Sunderland managers too (?)
Moyes was given enough credit. The decision makers at our club rated him enough to give him the job which he blew. Let's not forget his Sociedad stint that when he left, they have since completely transform into a team that can compete for European football (currently 4th before Atlecico's game).
Koeman gets credit for addressing problem from their previous manager. Their defense looks improved while integrating some young homegrown players too. The top 6 is the more competitive than ever. Koeman was doing well for his first season. Koeman is rated fairly as steering Everton in the right direction after last season. Nothing more.
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He must feel awfully dejected when he checks his bank account and sees the millions he has in payoffs from failed jobs.
I think people would be able to forgive the miserable bastard if he didn't come out and make some stupid snidey comment about United in the press every once in a while
As a Liverpool fan that's the only thing that endears me to him, otherwise I think he's a mediocre manager with possibly the most negative mindset in English football. I couldn't believe my luck when he rocked up at Old Trafford, with those 'Chosen One' banners heralding his arrival. Ah, happy days.
Well it wouldn't be Dave's fault would it, the world is once again conspiring against him to tarnish his good reputation.
And lets also not forget this is the 3rd job in a row where he has came in spent more than any of the previous managers at that club and still failed.
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He's got to be off soon, probably take over some Championship club and drag all his Ex-Everton and -United players with him.
Dunno, I have a feeling there gonna be stupid enough to give this guy the time to finish midtable in the Championship.
He's already got his get out clause now, he's played the lack of money card for the last few months and he will blame the lack of talent in his squad when he eventually gets the bullet. The sad thing is these lads have shown loyalty to Moyes, yet I know for a fact he will hold no punches on his way out, he's that kind of character, god knows why people/Sir Alex ever though him acceptable Manchester United material.
You cannot blame that loss on him. Players clearly let him down there which is shocking considering he single handedly won them last week's game at Palace.
Amazing that the media are still defending him. They were asking why he took the job on BT last night, that it's a championship team, that he hasn't been given money by the owners. You swear they'd do some fecking research.
Amazing that Sunderland haven't sack him yet. Seems like they are prepared to stick with him if and when they go down
What a shit manager.
We started really well in the 1st 20 minutes yesterday. Looked good on the ball, put some decent moves together and had 2 very good chances to get on the score sheet. Gibson played some excellent forward passes which is something we have been lacking, Januzaj looked lively and had some decent touches. When the goal didn't come, the players decided to set up camp on the edge of our 18 yard box allowing Southampton far too much time on the ball. I'm not sure how Moyes could be blamed for the defeat in the main. He set us up in the same way that worked last week against Palace and had us playing with a good style. Only criticism I have of him over the defeat is that he didn't change the formation sooner, it should have been after half an hour when we were getting over-run in the middle, subs and the timing of them. At half time, he took O'Shea off (fair enough) but replaced with him Piennar who struggles to walk never mind run, can't pass the bloody ball unless it's to the opposition and gives away needless fouls all the time instead of bringing a more creative, attacking player like Borini, Khazri or even young Honeyman.
Moyes will keep us up in my opinion. If we go down, he will rightly take a portion of the blame but it would be wrong to suggest that it's all his fault especially when you take into consideration the rest of the mess that the club find themselves in. Also he hasn't spend more than the previous managers.
Our signings this season are;
- Djilibodji (£8M) - Wasn't actually Moyes' signing as Allardyce had already wrapped up the deal and all that needed to be done was the deal to be confirmed when he left for the England job. Anyway, we've only actually paid Chelsea £3.5m (as of last month), the rest of the money is based on him making so many appearances for us and Senegal.
- McNair and Love (£5.5M) - Both young lads who were thrust into the side so early on in the season due to a horrible injury list. Both have shown promise of talent that they have. McNair actually started to put a good run together in CM before a cruel, injury ending season. Love has been unlucky in that he started the season at RB, had a couple of average games, was dropped then brought back into the side but in CM, started to look decent but then was dropped again before being recalled but this time as a RWB. He put together 3-4 good games then had a bit of a mare against Stoke and hasn't played since. Bit harsh on the lad being in and out of the side and in different positions.
- Piennar (£0) - Paying nothing for him was too much as he's finished. His legs have gone, his footballing brain is useless so there's only the middle bit of him left. Had, at a maximum, 2 decent games for us. This is the bit that you lot will like, Moyes actually thinks he's been one of of the best players for us this season. I think he panicked a bit with this signing as we really were down to the bare bones with even the young lads who should/would have stepped into the first team picking up injuries and just wanted a squad filler who he knew and trusted from his old days when we had a better player actually training with us and performing and scoring goals all pre-season ready to come in and sign (N'Zogbia)
- N'Dong (£13.6M) - Except that it's nowhere near £13.6M and probably never ever will be. We've paid less than £2M upfront for the lad and unless he has an extraordinary career here with hundreds of PL apps and scores a hat-full of goals then the true price that Lorient will receive won't rise about £5.5M. The lad has come on leaps and bounds since just before going away to the AFCON and has now started to show that he's actually got a fair bit of talent. With the whole squad fit, he's still part of our best XI.
- Anichebe (£0) - One of those that Moyes knows that he can rely on when he's fit and Big Vic proved it with half a dozen very good performances and a few goals before he was injured. He's well liked by pretty much everyone and if he can come back when fit and notch another couple of goals and help us stay up then he'll go down as a successful signing and probably be waved on his way everybody's best wishes.
- Mika (£2M) - Far too early to judge as he hasn't played a single second. Think Moyes expected Mannone to leave last summer and brought this lad into be backup to Pickford but any deal Mannone had lined up didn't materialise so the lad has been stuck in the wilderness so to speak.
- Lescott (£0) - Unlikely to get on the pitch more than a handful of times, brought in as a last backup and more than likely so Moyes has somebody else in the dressing room that he knows and trusts to help his ideas across. Judge him at the end of the season.
- Gibson and Oviedo (£7.5M) Except once again, it's not. Gibson reportedly cost £750,000 rising to £1.5M depending on how many appearances he makes over his 18 month contract and Oviedo was £3.5M rising upwards on certain clauses being met.
So all in, we've spent this season (16/17) roughly £14M in comparison to Allardyce who spent £15M (all paid upfront) last January on Kone, Kirchoff and Khazri plus paying Trabzonspor £1.5M loan fee for N'Doye and only sold Pantillimon for a fee believed to be £3M. Advocaat spent £10M on Borini, £8M on Lens, £3.5M on Kaboul, £2M on Coates and £2M on Matthews and paid Ruben Kazan £2M loan fee for M'Vila so an overall cost £27.5M whilst only bringing in £9M from Wickham going to Palace. Poyet spent £10M on Rodwell, £2M on Van Aanholt, £2.5M on Buckley and £2M on Bridcutt and £3M on Scocco as well the £10M we're expected to be told by the Court of Arbitration for Sport to pay Inter Milan for Alvarez. So a total likely to be £19.5M and he only brought in £2M for Ji Dong Won.
See above.
We have to because 1) we can't afford to pay his contract up, he's only months into a 4 year contract worth £12M (ie £3M a year) and 2) who else would we appoint? The club is up for sale, the chief executive has publicly said that the owner is unwilling to fund the club any more. Moyes isn't just the best man for the job at this moment in time, he's the only man
, feck him, the delusional prat.I wonder if Leicester would be stupid enough if they end up sacking Claudio
Two points mate, first off whats your source for the breakdown of these deals?
Because the BBC (who are known as the most reliable outlet) reported Sunderland as paying the entire fee up front for N'Dong. So i'm interested what your source is which is more reliable than the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37235209
Sunderlands own website reported the fee as 16m Euros, which is £13.6m.
https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2016/august/ndong-signs
Secondly you can't go through each deal even if they are not all paid up front and only count the actual fees paid to date. When a manager signs players the fee whether it's all up front or paid in installments over several years is still a financial commitment which the club have to honour. And that goes down as how much was spent that summer.
Every newspaper or website that i've read says you spent £24-31m last summer. Now with the way some deals are reported obviously anyone can get it wrong by a few million either way. But theres no way every newspaper and website can be off by £10-17m, which would be the case if as you claim you only spent £14m. It just doesn't add up mate.
My sister works for the club in the finance department and has done for many years. I can 100% tell you that we've paid no more than £2M for N'Dong. It's a well known fact among the supporters and somebody on the RTG forum actually posted a link from Lorient side showing the breakdown of the agreement. I'll try and dig it out and post it on here.
On your second point, at the end of Moyes' reign if all the agreed fees have been paid then fair enough but it's highly unlikely. Yes the club have to commit that money but it's quite clear that it's not all going to be spent.
Look mate i'm not saying you are lying, if you say your sister works for Sunderland i will accept that. But you are coming on a forum and saying Sunderland only spent £2m on a player when everyone else from the BBC to the club themselves are publicly reporting that fee to be much, much higher and up front. Inside information like this is best kept out of discussions on a public forum because theres no way to prove it. I'm sure over the years a lot of people on here at one time or another have had a bit of inside info from a family member or friend, but with no way of proving it to be true it's not worth much. When having a discussion like this we can only work off the information which is publicly available. Do you understand where i'm coming from?
Possibly but until such time as the player leaves and the potential for those add ons to come into play is gone. Then the widely reported fees are what Sunderland have agreed to pay, thats how much Moyes has spent. So theres nothing wrong in saying Moyes has spent more than his predecessor, it's a fact at this point in time.
The vast majority of transfer deals end up costing the buying club 70-80%+ of the agreed fee in most cases. Even if all possible performance clauses are not met during the course of the players stay at the club. The selling club will only ever agree to a deal which ensures they end up getting the bulk of any fee agreed.
What ever happened to Steven Fletcher, anyway?
Joined Marseille on loan last January then buggered off to Sheffield Wednesday on a free transfer last summer. Thank God!
Another great white hope from Scotland?
Aye.
Apart from his first 10 games or so for us, he was a waste of a shirt. Lazy, uninterested and couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. I was done with him after he had a go at fans for giving him stick after he hadn't scored for nearly a year, then he had the cheek to cup his ears to the crowd and wave us away when he did finally score. I still haven't forgiven him for being a complete coward and failing to shoot with his right foot when unmarked in the box at Wembley in the 89th minute. Could have taken us to Extra Time that. Bastard! The mackems being rewarded with a trip to New York?! Should be running up and down Roker beach for the next week and having their wages docked for shite performances.
The thing about Moyes is that his negativity is a cancer to a club and instils a poor attitude
He did it at United taking over, saying he needed 6 or so new players, spouting bullshit each well including hoping to contain facking Newcastle at Old Trafford amongst his motivational gems....
At the start of the year he called the Sunderland job 'a monstrous challenge'.....is this the kind of man to motivate a squad to fight for their lives?
He did it at United taking over, saying he needed 6 or so new players, spouting bullshit each well including hoping to contain facking Newcastle at Old Trafford amongst his motivational gems....
At the start of the year he called the Sunderland job 'a monstrous challenge'.....is this the kind of man to motivate a squad to fight for their lives?
Does anyone think this is it for him in management?
Unless he goes into international football could he end up on BT Sports or BBC as a pundit if Sunderland get relegated? I don't see him slogging it out in the Championship And surely any other premier league club is going to look elsewhere than him.
Unless he goes into international football could he end up on BT Sports or BBC as a pundit if Sunderland get relegated? I don't see him slogging it out in the Championship And surely any other premier league club is going to look elsewhere than him.
And I am afraid that this may happen. Far too many managers chickened out of the managerial jobs after being sacked and they are taking the easy way out by going into punditry. Look at guys like Paul Merson and Alan Curbishley. Managers don't even have to stay in Europe to do punditry, and there are plenty of TV stations in the USA, Malaysia, or Singapore who wants them to come.
And these pundits are usually the loudest. They criticize the current managers every week, but they can't even do a good job themselves. It sickens me that far too many are just empty vessels who can't walk the talk. It would be good if he stays with Sunderland like what Benitez is doing with Newcastle if Sunderland doesn't sack him.
If he goes down Sunderland will surely sack him - his basic job over a season was to keep them up and perhaps build upon doing so. He'll have failed. A role as a bland and uninteresting pundit would suit him down to the ground.