North Korea

MarceloFalcon said:
Can we trust their incompetence to keep them from actually making a functioning, deliverable nuke? Or will they inevitably figure it out at some point?
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I doubt they'd do anything even if they did develop one. They launch one anywhere and the US wipes them out. I suppose the risk is there that they sell it to some terrorist group or something? It's always a lot of chest thumping by North Korea. They're determined to keep the cold war going with the United States but that's all it will ever be.

Surely they will reach a point eventually where the country can no longer run? They have regular power cuts and have suffered foot shortages for decades. Eventually they won't be able to sustain themselves and as soon as China stops backing them I think they will collapse.
 
Klopper76 said:
I doubt they'd do anything even if they did develop one. They launch one anywhere and the US wipes them out. I suppose the risk is there that they sell it to some terrorist group or something? It's always a lot of chest thumping by North Korea. They're determined to keep the cold war going with the United States but that's all it will ever be.

Surely they will reach a point eventually where the country can no longer run? They have regular power cuts and have suffered foot shortages for decades. Eventually they won't be able to sustain themselves and as soon as China stops backing them I think they will collapse.
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If they were to attack anyone with a nuke, the US should probably just go ahead and kill AQ Khan. If it weren't for him and Benazir Bhutto, we wouldn't be in this situation right now. It would have taken longer for the North Koreans to get their on their own.
 
sun_tzu said:
Imagine if trump was president...
he would have his hands poised over the launch button now (it would be a specially designed extra small button to make his hands look big)
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While this is what worries me about Trump, how much say does a US President actually have and how many decisions are actually his idea? That is a genuine question by the way. Also, as that is very much a military decision, how much changes in the highest ranks of the US Army each time a new president comes in to power?
 
Pexbo said:
While this is what worries me about Trump, how much say does a US President actually have and how many decisions are actually his idea? That is a genuine question by the way. Also, as that is very much a military decision, how much changes in the highest ranks of the US Army each time a new president comes in to power?
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My guess is that there is going to be more changes than usual if trump is in power... I am envisaging him promoting people who will be loyal to him yet are still bat shit crazy enough for him to like them... think curtis le may or thomas power
http://www.businessinsider.com/5-general-officers-who-were-almost-certainly-crazy-2015-8?IR=T
It will probably be quite like north korea by the end of the first term with elections dissolved, him as emperor (Ivanka next in line) and people gunned down by anti aircraft guns if they talk about his stubby fingers.
 
Pexbo said:
While this is what worries me about Trump, how much say does a US President actually have and how many decisions are actually his idea? That is a genuine question by the way. Also, as that is very much a military decision, how much changes in the highest ranks of the US Army each time a new president comes in to power?
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Trump (or any President) would give the order, and it needs to be confirmed by the Secretary of Defense. The Secretary of Defense can disagree, and the President can fire the Secretary of Defense and the confirmation then passes to their deputy (and so on, there is a line of succession for the Secretary of Defense).

The 25th Amendment allows the President to be declared incapacitated by the Vice-President and the federal branch executives if they fear the President has "gone rogue".

The POTUS is powerful, but a lot of actions require Senate consent. Obama has discovered this in recent years.
 
x42bn6 said:
Trump (or any President) would give the order, and it needs to be confirmed by the Secretary of Defense. The Secretary of Defense can disagree, and the President can fire the Secretary of Defense and the confirmation then passes to their deputy (and so on, there is a line of succession for the Secretary of Defense).

The 25th Amendment allows the President to be declared incapacitated by the Vice-President and the federal branch executives if they fear the President has "gone rogue".

The POTUS is powerful, but a lot of actions require Senate consent. Obama has discovered this in recent years.
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so the vice president (who is picked by the president) needs to declare him rouge...
I feel better now knowing that trumps madness can be held in check by sarah palin
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x42bn6 said:
Trump (or any President) would give the order, and it needs to be confirmed by the Secretary of Defense. The Secretary of Defense can disagree, and the President can fire the Secretary of Defense and the confirmation then passes to their deputy (and so on, there is a line of succession for the Secretary of Defense).

The 25th Amendment allows the President to be declared incapacitated by the Vice-President and the federal branch executives if they fear the President has "gone rogue".

The POTUS is powerful, but a lot of actions require Senate consent. Obama has discovered this in recent years.
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You also have the possibility that even if the President and Sec of Defense authorized a nuclear strike against another nation that the military would refuse to follow the order if it was felt to be unlawful. I think in the case of Trump deciding to nuke North Korea over the annual threat they issue whenever these exercises take place. I could definitely see a military commander refusing such an order, though I can also see a military commander blindly following an order also.

After the Prez and Sec of Def authorize a strike the orders are then passed to the appropriate military commanders who then issue the orders to carry out the attack to the units involved. In theory this is all supposed to happen very quickly but in reality unless an attack is underway against the US and we are retaliating, I could see the military commanders pushing the orders back up the Chain of Command asking for explanations and clarification.
 
I think you can go back into the early 60's and maybe even the late 50's and find that there we many times during Presidential Campaigns that one candidate would be portrayed as going to get us into WW3 if elected or would just decide one day to launch a nuke strike at the old USSR. Others would be portrayed as being so weak they would let the "enemy" push us around to the point where a nuclear war would happen.

Trumps a nut job in my opinion, so still best to keep him away from any such decision making.
 
JustAFan said:
You also have the possibility that even if the President and Sec of Defense authorized a nuclear strike against another nation that the military would refuse to follow the order if it was felt to be unlawful. I think in the case of Trump deciding to nuke North Korea over the annual threat they issue whenever these exercises take place. I could definitely see a military commander refusing such an order, though I can also see a military commander blindly following an order also.

After the Prez and Sec of Def authorize a strike the orders are then passed to the appropriate military commanders who then issue the orders to carry out the attack to the units involved. In theory this is all supposed to happen very quickly but in reality unless an attack is underway against the US and we are retaliating, I could see the military commanders pushing the orders back up the Chain of Command asking for explanations and clarification.
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I think so too. There's some bad stories about SAC generals getting into trouble and readiness generally being lower than its own Cold War standards, but I think there's a decent chance that if they came up within SAC the commanders are rational (from thinking about the potential end of the world all day) and wouldn't rush to anything if not under attack. I think ordering a non-retaliation nuclear strike might be the quickest way for a President to get kicked out, once word is passed to the leaders in congress.
 
The government twitter feed is a quite informative.

 
Raoul said:
The government twitter feed is a quite informative.

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Its fake, parody account from a blogger.
The north Korea jokes are getting a bit old nowadays, it's basically Chuck Norris jokes replaced with Kim. Funny the first few times, boring after a while.
 
swooshboy said:
I read that the people of North Korea were told that when older Kim first played golf, he got 11 hole in ones in his first round.

I wonder how far back you have to go in European history until you found a populace that was as uninformed, and in the dark as they are? Pretty sure you would have t go back to the middle ages...which is frightening.
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MarceloFalcon said:
I think so too. There's some bad stories about SAC generals getting into trouble and readiness generally being lower than its own Cold War standards, but I think there's a decent chance that if they came up within SAC the commanders are rational (from thinking about the potential end of the world all day) and wouldn't rush to anything if not under attack. I think ordering a non-retaliation nuclear strike might be the quickest way for a President to get kicked out, once word is passed to the leaders in congress.
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SAC doesn't exist these days. It was disestablished in the early 90s and redistributed to a few MAJCOMS. The nuclear stuff belongs to AFGSC these days.
 
Raoul said:
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Having family from Wisconsin, that's really not all that far off. I think it's fair to classify excessive consumption of dairy and alcohol as an "immoral fairyland of anarchy". The average Wisconsin farmer eats more cheese and drinks more milk and beer in one sitting than the average north korean sees in a lifetime!
 
I read yesterday that the South Korean official Kim-watchers estimate that he is now around 300lbs/over 21st in weight, having gained about 100lbs since he assumed power. At the same time, the vast starving masses there are being told to tighten their belts for the next famine. :rolleyes:
 
Penna said:
I read yesterday that the South Korean official Kim-watchers estimate that he is now around 300lbs/over 21st in weight, having gained about 100lbs since he assumed power. At the same time, the vast starving masses there are being told to tighten their belts for the next famine. :rolleyes:
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He was also told to lower his weight before he added more beef, he's not going to be around for long.
 
Penna said:
I read yesterday that the South Korean official Kim-watchers estimate that he is now around 300lbs/over 21st in weight, having gained about 100lbs since he assumed power. At the same time, the vast starving masses there are being told to tighten their belts for the next famine. :rolleyes:
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And he's apparently an avid smoker on top of the weight issues. Maybe its an attempt at a culinary coup. Fatten him up with the richest foods imaginable until he keels over one day.
 
Can apparently be absorbed into the body by eye contact :eek:

Scary
 
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