Yh true - just shows how political the FA is. Bunch of old gits who decided to put English football in the hands of Sam Allardyce until he ballsed it up...
Chelsea under Conte | Let's sign the next Hazard, literally.
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Yh true - just shows how political the FA is. Bunch of old gits who decided to put English football in the hands of Sam Allardyce until he ballsed it up...
Well as United fans, we should know that Mourinho is our manager - we should back and support him. While Conte has shown promise and is currently the flavour of the month, let's not make the mistake of over rating him while under rating Mourinho. Conte has a woeful European record whereas Mourinho has consistently reached the semi finals of European competitions with almost every team he has managed. Also, Mourinho has won league titles in 4 different countries. Conte has only done it in Italy so far. Let's also not forget that Mourinho won the title with Conte's current team and built many of its foundations.
The players' mutiny at Chelsea made Mourinho look a lot worse, and made Conte look a lot better, than is really the case. It skewed perceptions a lot.
For example people are saying "Conte took a 10th place team and made them league leaders". True. But it is also true to say that "Conte took a title winning side that had a blip, and made them league leaders - with minimal changes to the squad". Every coin has two sides.
And this has been done to death but Mourinho cannot solely be blamed for the ridiculous and unsustainable culture of player power at Chelsea.
Conte is a good manager but Mourinho is a world class one, and more importantly he is United manager and we should really give him more backing.
You're the most ignorant poster I've seen on here. There's no point discussing anything when you don't acknowledge other peoples' points (e.g. continuing to maintain that Conte has made minimal changes and that the current team is basically Mourinho's when that is so obviously not the case, as has been mentioned by previous posters).
Also by your logic, Mourinho winning the title two seasons ago is nothing that any ordinary manager couldn't have done (just as you're stating about Conte's run this season). And the opposite must also hold some weight, that Mourinho's efforts last season (taking a title winning team to near the bottom of the table) speaks volumes about his incompetence as a manager*.
*not my actual feelings on his managerial ability, but since TrebleWinning insists on rather extreme views...
"Minimal changes to the squad", except he's completely changed the formation and five of the regular starting eleven are different from last season. Aside from that though he has done feck all.
Do people here think that it is easier for Conte to win the PL his first season with Chelsea than it is for Mourinho to win the PL his first season at United?
Mind you, see below link on the predictions on the league table in the early days of the season. Very few predicted that Chelsea would do better than United
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/red-cafe-predicts-the-premier-league-table.421395/page-3
Mind you, see below link on the predictions on the league table in the early days of the season. Very few predicted that Chelsea would do better than United
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/red-cafe-predicts-the-premier-league-table.421395/page-3
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The majority of the Chelsea squad have won the PL together as a group before. The same can't be said for the United squad as a group. So obviously that needs to be taken into consideration.
I still can't believe TW thinks Conte underachieved at the euros 
the team that the entire Italian media dismissed as the worst generation for 50 years.
the team that the entire Italian media dismissed as the worst generation for 50 years.I still can't believe TW thinks Conte underachieved at the euros
The Portugal team that won it wasn't much better. Ronaldo was their only star. Their defence was marshaled by a 36 year old Carvalho and their winner in the final was scored by Eder, who is basically the Portuguese version of Emile Heskey. no team was truly mind blowing so it was a winnable tournament for France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Belgium.
I can't believe T W thinks ..ever.I still can't believe TW thinks Conte underachieved at the euros
Well that is true but not to the extent that you are suggesting
Chelsea have 5 new players in their starting 11 from the squad that won the PL in 2015 (David Luiz, Alonso, Victor Moses, Kante and Pedro). So that seems a bit convenient to use as a reason as almost half of the starting 11 are new
Conte has also completely changed the formation
Conte also has no experience in the premier league and is not tried and tested on the "highest" level
Mourinho has the experience, the money, the players but it looks like he will finish below Chelsea. So in my opinion, Mourinho was certainly expected to finish above Chelsea by most people
Not by a long shot. Mourinho's team wouldn't have won the league this time, i think they would be fighting for 4th. People forget just how huge the difference was between last year and the year before, they like the lazy option of putting the whole thing down to some mutiny.
Bailey, Pogba, Miki and Ibrahimovic on top of a 5th place finish which was just outside the top 4 means United should be title contenders. Taking into account Leicester were always a one season wonder too.
I agree. As it stands, I am pretty sure most United fans would say that their squad is on par if not better than Chelsea's. So with the "best manager" in the world, it must be remarkable that Conte has been able to do what he has done so far
People have an odd tendency to under-rate our squad though for some reason. It started last year, and doesn't seem to have completely shaken off yet.
Mourinho's first team? I'd have them down as fighting for the title fairly comfortably. That defence was superb: Terry and Carvalho with Cech in goal, and Makelele as the anchor in midfield. Lampard regularly contributed to goals as well. While the side was lacking in a striker I'm not too sure they'd be down battling for 4th: while they perhaps lacked the individual star power that they'd gradually amass once Drogba hit his peak for them, it was a superb unit which functioned as well as any team in the PL era.
well said! We sometimes forget the good deeds of a manager when he is sacked. Mourinho, now Raneiri and many more. I will always rate Mourinho among the best because he has always carried passion in every club he's been and his method haven't failed a lot. He is a tactically skilled manager who knows how to read situations. Conte is a good manager but he's also sticking to his methods from the days at Turin.
After a year, we'll sing praises for Mourinho and he'll make the Chelsea fans and the club REGRET their decision.
Eidur Gudjohnson was awesome.
Good player, yeah, but obviously never quite that top level. Always handy as a squad figure though. Shocked me he was playing for Iceland still last summer.
That's hardly a problem when those methods result in him consistently winning trophies though, is it?
That a below par Portugal team won the tournament says nothing of the standard of other teams. Others have already pointed out the huge slice of luck one side of the tournament had. Spain, Italy, France and Germany wete all on one side. Still want to maintain it was winnable for each and every one of them?
Germany are World Champions. The Majority of their players are together at club level. France is brimming with talent. Belgium too. But sure, a team with rejects from Sunderland and Southampton should have won the euros
Conte has nothing to prove really. He romped Serie A with Juve breaking records, took an unfancied Italy to within touching distance of Euro final and is pissing the prem with Chelsea.
If Jose left, id happily take Conte. Absolutely
If Jose left, id happily take Conte. Absolutely
What you are trying to say, if im reading between the lines right, is Mourinho should get credit if Chelsea win the league? Because Conte took his side who had won the league X amount of yrs earlier etc etc made small change, and effectively it is mostly Jose's team which has won them the league practically.
Wrong, Jose will get zero credit and rightly so
He was supposed to make us regret it this season though according to you lot. Time's running out, don't you think?
Not sure why you expect TW to be able to reason like a sane human being. He's either a masterful troll or a delusional bellend.That a below par Portugal team won the tournament says nothing of the standard of other teams. Others have already pointed out the huge slice of luck one side of the tournament had. Spain, Italy, France and Germany wete all on one side. Still want to maintain it was winnable for each and every one of them?
Germany are World Champions. The Majority of their players are together at club level. France is brimming with talent. Belgium too. But sure, a team with rejects from Sunderland and Southampton should have won the euros
No, that isn't what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that United fans should appreciate and rally behind Mourinho more. Saying that we would be winning the league with Conte, or suggesting that Conte is a better manager, is disrespectful to our manager and our club. Let's get behind our manager. He has won a lot more and proven himself again and again. He is an elite manager. One of the best in the world.
Let's not be like Chelsea fans, who seem to have not fully appreciated his quality as a manager in addition to what he has done for them. The posts by Chelsea fans here seem very unappreciative. This is a guy who won you lots of trophies FFS, have some respect.
It is a pity that you have decided to adopt such a dismissive and ungrateful attitude towards a man who has won bucket loads of trophies for your club, and rendered six years of service during which he gave his all to your club. It's sad that Chelsea fans are now so arrogant and entitled that they can't even be appreciative towards one of their own legends. A sad, sad state. No wonder Jose is fired up, not only did your club sack him, the attitudes towards him are just very regrettable.
I sincerely hope that we eviscerate your team at Stamford Bridge, to give this legendary manager the vindication that he rightfully deserves. If you won't respect the man, maybe Zlatan's goals can beat some respect into you.
Your definition of "appreciative" seems to be "give him all the credit for what Conte has done this season", which is patently absurd.
Obviously there is a special place in every real Chelsea fan's heart for Mourinho, but his legacy is somewhat clouded by the fact that he bungled his final season so completely and acted like a total prat, as well as the fact that he's now managing a direct rival. I also don't think it's absurd to suggest that Conte is the better manager right now. Mourinho has the better CV, but Conte is certainly at minimum a better fit at Chelsea and it would seem a better man manager at the very least.
Also, this notion that a potential victory in a single FA cup tie provides vindication is comical in a season where you're trailing by 15 points.
Chelsea fans appreciate Mou more than anyone. Well, except for you I guess since you seem to think he's a God among men who should be worshipped.
You also have to stop acting as though José was an innocent party in his parting with us. It was he who made his position untenable. It was he who embarrassed the club with the doctor situation. It was he who persisted with underperforming players. It was he who lost the players and placed the sole blame on them while taking no responsibility himself.
I still love Jose. It pains me to see him struggling in the league with United this season. I hope he can turn it around and get them 2nd.
Nah, inter fans appreciate him more than you do. They worship the man
No, no, no. Come on. I still love him, too, but I want to see them miss the top 4 just to watch Mou's reaction.
He's salty as feck this season about having the aggravation and inconvenience of Europa League. Imagine how he'd be next season with it as well.
My ideal top 4 would be Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal. Wenger keeps his job, Liverpool fail after thinking it was "their year," and The most expensive side in history doesn't even get a CL place. Perfect all around!
No, no, no. Come on. I still love him, too, but I want to see them miss the top 4 just to watch Mou's reaction.
He's salty as feck this season about having the aggravation and inconvenience of Europa League. Imagine how he'd be next season with it as well.
My ideal top 4 would be Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal. Wenger keeps his job, Liverpool fail after thinking it was "their year," and The most expensive side in history doesn't even get a CL place. Perfect all around!
Feck is wrong with you. You want your two London rivals to grab a top 4 spot instead of United?
And that whole "most expensive side in history" thing you can drop all together. United spends the money the club made, not the money given to us in the lottery.
Spurs and Arsenal making the CL means nothing as neither will challenge for it. They'll both get bounced when they play serious teams like they always do in Europe.
Not begrudging you spending huge money that you earn, either. Just think it'd be amusing to see the side that were title favorites preseason go on to finish outside the top 4.
In regards to the top 4 I don't think about the CL, since the greatest threat against both of us will always come from teams like Bayern, RM and Barca. I really don't think United making top 4 will affect your chances in the CL next season, instead you might turn it around and say that United only having the league to focus on next season will heavily threaten your defence of the title.
Liverpool and Arsenal in the CL would probably be easier for United as opposed to Chelsea, but there is no way in hell I'd like to see the cnuts in there either way.
His days at Inter was full of glories and he left Inter with glories, while he left Chelsea in 2007 in such a painful way for the fan, who was absolutely loving him. The majority of the fans felt the same when he left last year, I believe.
I mean we have been with him ups and downs. A lot of emotions. Glories and laments, we have been with him. That may make us have different feelings about him than others.
You will be serious CL contenders next year. If you qualify, that is
Depends on the transfer window. If Jose gets in another 3-4 players that click immediately like his last transfers then admittedly we will be right up there.
I just have a hard time seeing it, but that might be due to the amount of traumatization and scarring us United fans have experienced these last years. Really on paper if you line up our team and figure in a few good purchases in the summer then it is a team right up there.
Still I really don't see the logic from a Chelsea points view though, if they get stopped by United in the CL they will sure as shit get stopped by Bayern \ RM \ Barca.
If there's anyone that knows Chelsea fans love him, it's Jose. I mean, we were singing his name at the top of our voices when he had us 17th last season. He even spoke of how emotional that was to him. You lot were flying banners over Old Trafford when Moyes had you 6th or was it 7th. You might want to sit this one out. And as @TheMagicFoolBus said, you seem to think we should lick his feet and regard him as a god walking the earth despite the way the season ended and the fact that he's couldn't wait to manage a direct rival. Again, I'm not sure if you're a masterful troll or a delusional bellend.
You've won twice at the Bridge since 2002. Chances of you beating us at the Bridge are slim and even if you do, it will hardly be an "evisceration". I'm sure you'll find another excuse about how we're overrated and at the same time Jose should get credit for how overrated we are when we beat you.
Twat. When even your fellow Utd fans side against you in an argument with the Chavs or Scousers, you are doing something wrong.
One thing that impresses me about this forum is the reasonable attitude of most United fans towards the opposition.Treble winner should learn and follow the example of a poster like Salford. He seems obsessed in his hatred of Chelsea ,perhaps he could explain why.
He's Duncan Castles.
Not so much, he just hallows the ground Jose walks on and have an attitude that you'd probably best describe as 'Utd exceptionalism'. You should check out his pearls of wisdom in the pre-match thread before we last played the Scousers
We should avoid the pitfall of promoting groupthink here, and no one should be silenced because their views don't jive with the majority, but it's hard to take you seriously when you come out with stuff like 'Conte should've been Jose's assistant'.