I don't know. It is true that after being arch rivals for many years you tend to respect a person. On the other hand, it sounds like they are taking the piss by defending a stubborn and outdated manager.
Should Wenger be sacked?
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I don't think this is true at all. Neville just hates seeing managers get sacked, he even thought Moyes should have been kept on.
But after 21 years maybe it's time to go.
So basically, exactly what non-United pundits were doing regarding Moyes and LVG. They knew that neither manager would do a single thing with United so were desperate for us to keep them. It's very telling for Arsenal fans that United pundits want him to stay. The man simply has to go, if you're an Arsenal fan.
Charlie Nicholas is a prat, few weeks ago "Arsenal will beat Bayern" "Arsenal have one of the strongest squad in Europe"
Today Id sell at least 10 of that squad, theyre not good enough. Doughnut
Today Id sell at least 10 of that squad, theyre not good enough. Doughnut
That type of wild inconsistency is ridiculous, but we see this sort of thing with every team. After a good result for us you hear 'we're almost ready to challenge, one or two quality additions and we can compete on all fronts next season' then we draw against Bournemouth/Hull/Burnley and it's all reined back in.
The thing with Arsenal is that the season they've had has happened time after time after time. For the best part of a decade they have bowed out at the last 16 of the CL, often in embarrassing circumstances to the very teams their fans were told they would be competing with once they were settled at the Emirates, and they haven't seriously challenged for the title since they won it in 2004.
It is surely high time for change. Arsenal need a new ethos at the top of the club from the board and owners through to management and coaching. Standing still for more than a decade is unforgivable.
I reckon he should leave, at least he'd do so with some dignity in tact if he volunteered to go. Arsenal should, however, learn from our mistakes when Fergie retired.
Before Wenger goes I'd like to see us bid £40 million & £1 for Sanchez.
Just reading Wenger having an absolute hissy fit about the referee last night?
Am I missing something or was that not a stonewall penalty and red card?
Am I missing something or was that not a stonewall penalty and red card?
I'd be careful, you might accidentally end up with him sulking around the place.
Totally agree with both of you. He dismantled the 2003-04 team too quickly, and he's failed to develop a squad with a smilar mentality ever since.
Neville defended Moyes and wanted him to have more time. He's not a snake he just thinks managers should never be sacked no matter how badly they do
Arsenal fans need to take a long look at us to see what happens when you lose a long term manager. I think it will be a complete disaster so I'm all for a sacking.
Looks like Alonso got the ball.
It may very well be a complete disaster. But then isn't it already?
The fans want to challenge for titles/cups. If the board has the same ambition then Wenger hasn't been good enough for far too many years now and needs to be replaced. That replacement potentially being worse is a risk you always take, but when the status quo isn't good enough then changes are simply what's needed.
Lol that would be funny.
3 league titles and 6 FA Cups in 21 years that's not actually a great return.
Even Graham managed to win in 7 years
2 League titles
2 league cups
1 FA Cup
1 UEFA Cup Winners Cup
I've not counted The Charity Shield as that's not a major honour
Yes he changed how they played football, how Arsenal were perceived, but they are the 3rd biggest club in the country (in terms of honours) he should've won more but for some strange reason he didn't. He lost the Monaco job because he wanted to continue to play youth players that weren't good enough that was what was happening at Arsenal. Now he's even given up on that but the players he has bought aside for Sanchez and Ozil haven't been top drawer.
Even Graham managed to win in 7 years
2 League titles
2 league cups
1 FA Cup
1 UEFA Cup Winners Cup
I've not counted The Charity Shield as that's not a major honour
Yes he changed how they played football, how Arsenal were perceived, but they are the 3rd biggest club in the country (in terms of honours) he should've won more but for some strange reason he didn't. He lost the Monaco job because he wanted to continue to play youth players that weren't good enough that was what was happening at Arsenal. Now he's even given up on that but the players he has bought aside for Sanchez and Ozil haven't been top drawer.
Mmmm, i'd say it's 50/50 from that video. Gets the ball first and seems to kick it away from theo's possession, but i'm not sure Theo couldn't still have got to it...
Definitely not something worthy of complaining, especially when you're 5-2 down.
I disagree. Arsenal are desperate for a new manager.
The longer Wenger stays, the better for us all (apart from Gooners of course!)
The difference between our situation and Arsenal's situation, for me, is this: We were in search of a continuation of what we had been doing up until that point whereas Arsenal need basically the opposite. So when we got Moyes we wanted the longevity and consistent success Sir Alex gave us, but Arsenal need a shake up and I think that is a much easier task than what we needed to do. For me, they should go all out for Simeone because he's so different to Arsene. I doubt any player at Arsenal fears Wenger, they play neat attacking football and have zero aggression. They can't defend very well and they're one dimensional tactically. Simeone is almost the polar opposite. He's intimidating, ruthless, aggressive and can drill a team defensively. Arsenal are stale right now and he can shake things up.
If they looked for a continuation of what they've been doing up until now then they'd probably employ someone like Eddie Howe, and that'd be a disaster.
If they looked for a continuation of what they've been doing up until now then they'd probably employ someone like Eddie Howe, and that'd be a disaster.
Arsenal are a stagnant football club. They need a change and to freshen thing up, but that probably extends to board level too, as all they want is to finish top four and fill their pockets with money. Just maintaining the status quo of top four is all they'll ever care about.
So sacking Wenger is the right thing to do. Even if each season seems a carbon copy of the last, they are gradually going downhill. Just the decline is slow. I highly doubt they would have a repeat of our crisis post-SAF as the circumstances of both clubs were hugely different, what with us being champions.
I hope he stays as long as possible, as my worry is they'll become relevant again under a new manager. Then again they could just appoint some underwhelming yes man like Wenger so who knows. They aren't spoilt for managerial options.
So sacking Wenger is the right thing to do. Even if each season seems a carbon copy of the last, they are gradually going downhill. Just the decline is slow. I highly doubt they would have a repeat of our crisis post-SAF as the circumstances of both clubs were hugely different, what with us being champions.
I hope he stays as long as possible, as my worry is they'll become relevant again under a new manager. Then again they could just appoint some underwhelming yes man like Wenger so who knows. They aren't spoilt for managerial options.
That's all seems very familiar to what we've gone through since the last years of Fergie's reign.
Mourinho went to Chelsea in 2004 and won the league 2005 and 2006.
Wenger in 2005 - building the team
Ferguson won the league 2007, 2008, 2009
Wenger in 2007, 2008, 2009... still building the team
Ancelloti came to Chelsea in 2009 and won the league in 2010.
Wenger in 2010... still building the team
Roberto Mancini came to Man city in 2010and won the league in 2012.
Wenger in 2012... still building the team
Pellegrini came to Man city in 2013 and won the league in 2014.
Wenger in 2014... still building the team
Mourinho came back to Chelsea in 2013 and won the league in 2015.
Wenger in 2015... still building the team
Claudio Ranieri came to Leicester city in 2015 and won the league in 2016
Wenger in 2016... still building the team
Antonio Conte came to Chelsea in 2016 and already taking the EPL by storm until 2017.
Wenger in 2017... still building the team
Wenger in 2005 - building the team
Ferguson won the league 2007, 2008, 2009
Wenger in 2007, 2008, 2009... still building the team
Ancelloti came to Chelsea in 2009 and won the league in 2010.
Wenger in 2010... still building the team
Roberto Mancini came to Man city in 2010and won the league in 2012.
Wenger in 2012... still building the team
Pellegrini came to Man city in 2013 and won the league in 2014.
Wenger in 2014... still building the team
Mourinho came back to Chelsea in 2013 and won the league in 2015.
Wenger in 2015... still building the team
Claudio Ranieri came to Leicester city in 2015 and won the league in 2016
Wenger in 2016... still building the team
Antonio Conte came to Chelsea in 2016 and already taking the EPL by storm until 2017.
Wenger in 2017... still building the team
It's gonna be one hell of a team when he does finish building it, that's for sure.
That's why I do not want to see Wenger sacked. You know what would be better, if we can clone him and put him in charge of Chelsea and City as well.
I think he should leave at the end of the season, but he should never be sacked.
Fair enough. Have discussed it some posts before
I do agree. He deserves some respect, albeit he has lost the plot.
Lol! That's a big pisstake. The man does really needs to resign.
Let me play a bit of devil's advocate
He does deserve respect, but.... If he has lost the dressing room and staying till the end of season results in:
a) Arsenal dropping out of top 4
b) Sanchez leaving
...would that have been a good choice from a business sense by the board to keep him? If they've made their mind up to replace him, would it not be better to sack him now? Look at Leicester. In my mind, they were 100% going down before Ranieri left. The players got motivated to play again.
Though to be fair, convincing Sanchez to stay might be impossible regardless of the manager that comes in.
Who can they get mid season that will guarantee them top 4, as well as convince Sanchez to stay? The manager with the best record at achieving a top 4 finish is already managing them, and Sanchez will stay or leave regardless of who's in charge.
On what basis? What top flight boss carries on getting £8 million a year salary while consistently failing?
The point is that the club is run by people who know nothing about football and Wenger has cleverly manipulated their trust and ignorance over the last few years.
He has managed to convince all of them that UCL qualification is the measure of Arsenal's success when with their revenue stream, history and stature among clubs they should be up there trying to win it
No, absolutely not. What i meant is that i hope he leaves with some dignity.Let me play a bit of devil's advocate
He does deserve respect, but.... If he has lost the dressing room and staying till the end of season results in:
a) Arsenal dropping out of top 4
b) Sanchez leaving
...would that have been a good choice from a business sense by the board to keep him? If they've made their mind up to replace him, would it not be better to sack him now? Look at Leicester. In my mind, they were 100% going down before Ranieri left. The players got motivated to play again.
Though to be fair, convincing Sanchez to stay might be impossible regardless of the manager that comes in.
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Funny post.
And I will add: may he continue to keep building the team for the next 10 years. I only wish that CFC and MCFC would also build a team.
I agree that he does deserve respect but what if the only way to convince him to leave or convince the board not to offer him another contract is to go full force on the protests, banners, and similar actions?
It's a hypothetical but I wonder how many Arsenal fans would be ok with all that then.
It's a hypothetical but I wonder how many Arsenal fans would be ok with all that then.
He's only failed judging by fans' expectations. In the view of the board, he's been a massive success. A lot of his on-pitch failures are the result of a wage structure that can't compete with three other clubs, the same three clubs which have won the league every year since Arsenal last won it (Leicester aside).