Take a look Hazard's legs at the end of the match. And you still get people calling him a "diver", "going to ground too easily".
EDIT: Not from last night's game. Disregard. Still disgusting how much he was kicked last night.
Epic fail
Eden Hazard 16/17 Performances
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Epic fail
You mean the tactic? I agree. It was an epic failure in the end.
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No. You. You're an epic failure.
It was disgusting? Jesus pal have you never played football before? You leave a few on players to unsettle them. Happens from Sunday League right to the top of Premiership.
It's not the greatest way to approach the game but being cynical is a long way away from disgusting. Costa is disgusting for instance.
Eden Hazard.
When's he's not busy pretending he's injured he's stamping on ball boys instead.
When's he's not busy pretending he's injured he's stamping on ball boys instead.
Dybala is easily in the same class as Hazard. Less Dynamic but more decisive.
Dybala is a brilliant player but he's playing in a team that runs roughshod over its league; his performances in Serie A need to be taken with a grain of salt. He scores a lot of goals from the spot as well.
Obviously I'd take him in a heartbeat and to be honest I think United spent their £89m on the wrong Juve player, but for me he's not on Hazard's level yet. If, however, you asked me who the better player was at the same age, that's a much better question. I may be more inclined to lean towards Dybala, since Hazard didn't have his dominant season for Chelsea until he was 24 and Dybala is 23.
As dislikeable a player as there is but a damn good player, unfortunately.
Top, top player when he fancies it. Likes to carry & thrust from a standing start so tends to get fouled a lot - but likes to make sure he gets the FK that's for certain.
Erm. OK then.
His penchant for throwing himself to ground was taken to a new level last night, breathe on him and he's over.
But he once got a hole in his sock and a bit of blood on it, so I suppose it's understandable.
But he once got a hole in his sock and a bit of blood on it, so I suppose it's understandable.
Juventus might win the league every season, but they are not some dominant offensive machine, they are just the most balanced side in the league. Its nothing like what Bayern do to the bundesliga for example. Hazard also scores a fair number of goals from the spot. dybala was dominant last season in a way hazard never is, at least consistently. Forget the different age stuff, at this point in time, they are on par with each other.
Aye, Neymar is fouled constantly too, yet people don't say he's "drawing fouls", simply that he dives. Odd.
How is it a free kick when a player moves behind you, don't use their arms or their legs, but just sort of dry humps you, and you then fall over like timber? Hazard does that all the time "shielding the ball" - to where I might ask? Several of the free kicks given to him were like this - he was hardly touched, and he fell down.
Eden Hazard is one of the best at drawing fouls but I think you enter cloudy waters when debating whether or not he dives. A lot of the time, as with the Herrera fouls tonight I think he is the one who initiates the contact with opposition players by running in to them or by sticking out a leg to make contact. There is a usually a lot of contact made in the fouls Hazard draws so can't really be described as a dive but he is the one often makes the contact then roles and screams like he's been shot.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then mate. For what it's worth, Hazard has scored 2 from the spot this season, Dybala has scored 5. Dybala's season last year wasn't as good as Hazard's in 2014; he didn't single-handedly carry Juventus to the title the way Hazard did for Chelsea. All I know is if my life were riding on the outcome of a single match I'm taking Hazard every time right now and I don't think that it's particularly close.
A lot of the plays seen as dives here are actually obstructions.
That can be a dive, or an obstruction. The only thing that separates the two is the position of the ball and who controls it. If Hazard dribbles a defender, the defender has to either go for the ball, or allow Hazard to pass him. Standing still and blocking Hazard trajectory towards the ball is an obstruction, regardless of who initiates the contact.
That can be a dive, or an obstruction. The only thing that separates the two is the position of the ball and who controls it. If Hazard dribbles a defender, the defender has to either go for the ball, or allow Hazard to pass him. Standing still and blocking Hazard trajectory towards the ball is an obstruction, regardless of who initiates the contact.
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And a lot of the plays seen as obstructions are actually dives.
Depends on the situation. But if the attacker goes into the defender, it doesn't mean it's a dive. That's my point.
When they exaggerate the contact and or throw themselves to the floor for no reason, like Hazard does for example pretty much endlessly then it's a dive.
I don't see the argument here, the guy is as blatant a diver as you'll ever see. The first half last night was getting ridiculous, Herrera was stupid for getting sucked into the trap.
No it isn't; a dive by definition is going to ground when there is no contact. Hazard is a master of drawing contact from opposing defenders; it's why he's always just about the most fouled player in Europe. If there is actual contact then it isn't a dive.
I have great respect for technical / attacking players who play the game fairly and don't dive. Who understand that this is a contact sport and being fouled is normal. Eden Hazard is not one of these players and thus he will never be recognized as truly world class. What a prick, totally unsportsmanlike, and completely snide and cynical.
Yeah, I've seen Hazard play a few times before thanks mate
I guess we will have to. Its easy to draw parallels of what Dybala did last season to what Hazard did in 2014. Lets no forget that Costa and Fabregas were both having a stellar season until their form fell off and then Hazard drove them to the title. Last season Dybala's form basically changed the fortunes of Juventus. They lost Pirlo, Tevez and Vidal in one window. After that they had a really slow start to the campaign, as did he. They were looking pathetic and then he caught fire, and they went on a long winning run.
I don't know who i'd pick for a single match. As i say, Dybala is more decisive, while Hazard is more dynamic(like comparing Totti with Kaka). Actually i'd say it depends on what sort of team i have. Hazard is one of those players that seems to look better when things are really tight. He's had amazing performances in matches where chelsea aren't particularly playing well and are under the cosh. In fact, i'd say that even when the team is doing really well, it doesn't seem to raise his level which is the case with most players of his ilk. Dybala in those circumstances id say is a lessor player but if a team is functioning well, i'd have dybala any day of the week. if you find him in his spots he's more likely to make the difference on the score-sheet. i.e if i was picking a player for Barca i'd go Dybala, if i was picking for Atletico Madrid, i'd go Hazard.
last season, dybala had 23 goals and 9 assists in 3079 mins including 6 pens(a goal every 134mins) while in 14/15 Hazard had 19 goals, 13 assists in 4440 mins including 6 pens(a goal every 234 mins)
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It's hopeless, I gave up, bias with Hazard with some people here is pretty strong. They will defend him with some pretty ridiculous statements, cringey stuff. Silky legs Hazard gets a free pass from some no matter what. I give up.
Care to give some examples of these players?
Take a look Hazard's legs at the end of the match. And you still get people calling him a "diver", "going to ground too easily".
EDIT: Not from last night's game. Disregard. Still disgusting how much he was kicked last night.
Uses a fake example to make a point, gets found out, claims his point still stands regardless.
Bar Rojo's disgraceful stamp near the end, he wasn't even kicked. Look at all the fouls leading up to the red card (4 of them) and tell me where he was "kicked".
He was brilliant that year but singlehandedly carried them to the title? I think you are doing a disservice to Costa, Fabregas and Terry's contributions that year.
This is a new low you've stooped to, congratulations.
I find it unbelievable united fans have absolutely anything to moan about when there game plan from the off was simply to break up the play and foul our players especially hazard as much as possible! Yet when Rostov applied similar tactics it was "thuggish football" hard to imagine the thoughts that go through some peoples head.
Are you seriously suggesting that Jose Mourinho before the game said to his players "see that Hazard lad, kick him repeatedly".
Or
Did he say "don't let Hazard turn and run at you, don't give him space to hurt us".
Do you think the Rostov manager said differently? Nope I think both manages would have said get tight to him and foul him if there is a chance of him going past you and look to break up the play, it was what Jose used to do at us so not sure why it wouldn't apply here.
I'm sure the Chelsea fans here had similar sympathy for Ronaldo when he was being kicked around the pitches of the Premier League.
A manager setting up a team to deal with the opposition best player, shock horror. Does any manager do anything differently? I think Jose would have gave special instructions to the players to deal with Hazard but I don't believe he or any manager would say "kick ten lumps out of him" especially in this day in age. Furthermore I don't actually see that many incidents tonight could be considered a "kicking". There were many niggling fouls but none outrageous.
He didn't even get lumps kicked out of him anyway. There were a few fouls most innocuous, think he was fouled 4 times up to the sending off
The way the media last night and this morning are making out you'd think every player of ours took turns in lunging two footed at him. The majority of fouls leading up to the sending off were those pesky 'player feels minimum contact on he's back and goes down' types.
Oh course not, fans rarely care when its other teams players taking it. It doesn't stop it being amusing though when suddenly after one match the most fouled player in the PL is suddenly a horrific diver who barely even gets fouled but is just an incredible actor.
Possibly. But the money they'd make they could sign whoever they wanted in theory.
Seen Suarez play much? Arguably one of the biggest cheats in football yet undoubtedly world class. A lot of your posts seem to be through red mist and smack of hatred.
I think many people envy how good he is.