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[Full bodied red]

Again more people working creates more spending that creates more jobs. Inflation is also kept in check so although wages may not rise quickly they go further.

Foreign workers who live here spend money here, are taxed here, they have a positive effect on GDP.

Free movement helps poorer nations catch up quicker

I don't know about the UK, but the majority of economic migrants ( both EU and non-EU ) in France pay virtually no tax because they either (a) are so lowly paid that they don't earn enough to have to pay tax, and/or (b) don't have the necessary skills or language proficiency to obtain a better paying job, so vanish into the Black Economy.

May be it's different in the UK, of course, because so many non-UK people learn English as their first second language, and which I think is one of the reasons why so many have chosen the UK to emigrate to.

Give me one French or UK citizen who has enough mastery of Lithuanian or Polish to make it possible to emigrate to Lithuania or Poland and hold on to a simlar level of employment, and I'll give you 50,000 Lithuanians and Polish who can speak English sufficiently well to hold down a job in the UK.

And which is why the EU's Freedon of Movement is flawed - apart from pensioners moving to Spain and Portugal, nearly all the migration inside the EU is from east to west

 

[Rams]

Well you could always try to make a start instead of just calling someone a fool.

Explain where, how and why Bill is distorting the truth or just plain factually incorrect

C'mon....Show us your eveidence

Bury should defend himself, but should I start that Bury is correctly giving examples why EU regulates its farming industries and why the U.K. will continue to regulate its industries long after Brexit, which our friend there has a different opinion on (even if it isn't rubbish and it is actually the factual and objective truth)?
The real problem with the agricultural industry in the 3rd World is corruption, western consumer demand for exotic goods like coconuts & avocado's and the and the extortion of cheap labour by greedy landowners who put all their profit in their own pockets. The reason why people are starving in Africa is because of war & famine, and not the CAP despite all it's faults. There's a lot more I can write about Kill Bill's post, pages even.

 

[Rams]

It's a hypothetical example that it's impossible to blame member states for unemployment while the EU rules and their strict enforcement prevents member states.

Nontheless close to where I live there has been a major power plant build recently and the estimate that about 80% of the builders was from foreign countries is very conservative. It could have been a huge boost to employment when many builders lost their jobs after the 2008 financial crisis, but it didn't work like that because the Polish, Romanians, Portuguese etc were a lot cheaper.

Maybe the government should increase the minimum wage or appoint construction companies who will use a mainly local work force rather going for the cheapest and crappiest tender? No, it's all the EU's fault!

 

[Rams]

I don't know about the UK, but the majority of economic migrants ( both EU and non-EU ) in France pay virtually no tax because they either (a) are so lowly paid that they don't earn enough to have to pay tax, and/or (b) don't have the necessary skills or language proficiency to obtain a better paying job, so vanish into the Black Economy.

May be it's different in the UK, of course, because so many non-UK people learn English as their first second language, and which I think is one of the reasons why so many have chosen the UK to emigrate to.

Give me one French or UK citizen who has enough mastery of Lithuanian or Polish to make it possible to emigrate to Lithuania or Poland and hold on to a simlar level of employment, and I'll give you 50,000 Lithuanians and Polish who can speak English sufficiently well to hold down a job in the UK.

And which is why the EU's Freedon of Movement is flawed - apart from pensioners moving to Spain and Portugal, nearly all the migration inside the EU is from east to west

I know for a fact that Eastern Europe is full of expats from all over the world doing high paid jobs. If anything the opposite of what you write is true, the freedom of movement is stopping highly paid jobs going to the locals in Eastern Europe.

 

[Stanley Road]

Again more people working creates more spending that creates more jobs. Inflation is also kept in check so although wages may not rise quickly they go further.

Foreign workers who live here spend money here, are taxed here, they have a positive effect on GDP.

Free movement helps poorer nations catch up quicker

People arent spending tho, thats an issue

 

[Full bodied red]

Bury should defend himself, but should I start that Bury is correctly giving examples why EU regulates its farming industries and why the U.K. will continue to regulate its industries long after Brexit, which our friend there has a different opinion on (even if it isn't rubbish and it is actually the factual and objective truth)?
The real problem with the agricultural industry in the 3rd World is corruption, western consumer demand for exotic goods like coconuts & avocado's and the and the extortion of cheap labour by greedy landowners who put all their profit in their own pockets. The reason why people are starving in Africa is because of war & famine, and not the CAP despite all it's faults. There's a lot more I can write about Kill Bill's post, pages even.

Agree with everything...Well almost....

I spent 20 years working out of Nigeria and Kenya.

Nigeria is a shithole, full of corruption, a thouroughly nasty place for a white man to live. And apart from oil, has sweet f/all to export anyway. Doesn't stop it getting raped by the oil multinationals, of course, but it isn't the white men's fault or the multinationals' fault that the Government has the money to improve the lives of all 130 million Nigerians but choose not to. I feel sorry for the overwhelming majority of Nigerians, and despise the rest.

Kenya and Tanzania, on the other hand, are much better developed, both economically and infrastructure, than plenty of other counties which the EU chooses to have Trade Deals with. Government in those countries is 'light' and reasonably democratic; farmed produce is already extensively supervised by European agricultural companies; most agricultural products are grown semi-organically as there's no need for intensive use of chemicals; and by 3rd World standards, corruption isn't a huge problem.

Ignoring our arguments about the worth or necessity of CAP for the EU, there is absolutely no reason why the UK should not be allowed to import as much or as little food as it needs from Commonwealth countries as it is safe, cheap, and by Christ, the Africans need someone to help them while their access to the EU is blocked by tariffs and quotas.

 

[devilish]

Italy's never had the benefit of British rule.

Italy is a union of regions brought together by deceit. The Kingdom of two Sicilies and the North areas much united as England and France are

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Maybe the government should increase the minimum wage or appoint construction companies who will use a mainly local work force rather going for the cheapest and crappiest tender? No, it's all the EU's fault!

First it's about skilled work, and minimum wage isn't relevant for that. Secondly, it's organized through chains of subcontractors and job agencies that do the housing to, it's extremely difficult to check and enforce even minimum wage. The builders don't know their rights, don't speak the language to find out and for their cost of living at home it's a lot of money anyway. The EU doesn't allow checks and enforcement that might be to the disadvantage of a foreign worker in any way. Thirdly doesn't allow favoring companies with local workforce (you don't know much about the EU, do you?).

So yes, the EU forces the cost of unemployment on the member state and prevents it from fighting unemployment effectively. It's a massive force for lower costs of labour, they're organizing a race to the bottom.

 

[Full bodied red]

I know for a fact that Eastern Europe is full of expats from all over the world doing high paid jobs. If anything the opposite of what you write is true, the freedom of movement is stopping highly paid jobs going to the locals in Eastern Europe.

Ex-Pats....Probably sent there by their multinational employers and have no intnetion of spending the rest of their lives there. Multinational companies rarely entrust locals to manage large investments outside their own home base. As you say, prevents good jobs for locals but it's the same globally, whether inside the EU or outside the EU.

Economic Migrants - I might be wrong, of course, but I'd suggest a ratio of about 500 to 1 is east to west amongst non-management and unskilled jobs.

 

[Rams]

Agree with everything...Well almost....

I spent 20 years working out of Nigeria and Kenya.

Nigeria is a shithole, full of corruption, a thouroughly nasty place for a white man to live. And apart from oil, has sweet f/all to export anyway. Doesn't stop it getting raped by the oil multinationals, of course, but it isn't the white men's fault or the multinationals' fault that the Government has the money to improve the lives of all 130 million Nigerians but choose not to. I feel sorry for the overwhelming majority of Nigerians, and despise the rest.

Kenya and Tanzania, on the other hand, are much better developed, both economically and infrastructure, than plenty of other counties which the EU chooses to have Trade Deals with. Government in those countries is 'light' and reasonably democratic; farmed produce is already extensively supervised by European agricultural companies; most agricultural products are grown semi-organically as there's no need for intensive use of chemicals; and by 3rd World standards, corruption isn't a huge problem.

Ignoring our arguments about the worth or necessity of CAP for the EU, there is absolutely no reason why the UK should not be allowed to import as much or as little food as it needs from Commonwealth countries as it is safe, cheap, and by Christ, the Africans need someone to help them while their access to the EU is blocked by tariffs and quotas.

It doesn't matter how much food we import from the 3rd World if revenues from it isn't distributed more evenly. And, we should really be encouraging the 3rd World to grow sustainable crops meant to sustain their own populations, and not so that we here in the West can have an avocado in our salad.

 

[Mozza]

No, they don't, not always. When there's a huge building project they tend to stay in cheap temporary housing just to work and save money, not really live there. They make less money, they accept that because of lower cost of living in for example Romania, but shy away from the high prices in the richer country. So it's just groceries and the odd visit to bars and prostitutes.

That's debatable. When the best workers work in richer countries it's not easy to get the local economy going, and all these men and women beeing away from home for large parts of the year is disruptive to society. It's certainly not good for families and happiness.

You can't have it bought ways. The money they make has a stimulating effect somewhere, either in this country or home.

 

[Full bodied red]

Italy is a union of regions brought together by deceit. The Kingdom of two Sicilies and the North areas much united as England and France are

You're taking me back 50 years to school - Cavour, Mazzini and Garibaldi.

Those guys are probably spinning in their graves.

 

[711]

Great biscuits as well.

 

[Mozza]

First it's about skilled work, and minimum wage isn't relevant for that. Secondly, it's organized through chains of subcontractors and job agencies that do the housing to, it's extremely difficult to check and enforce even minimum wage. The builders don't know their rights, don't speak the language to find out and for their cost of living at home it's a lot of money anyway. The EU doesn't allow checks and enforcement that might be to the disadvantage of a foreign worker in any way. Thirdly doesn't allow favoring companies with local workforce (you don't know much about the EU, do you?).

So yes, the EU forces the cost of unemployment on the member state and prevents it from fighting unemployment effectively. It's a massive force for lower costs of labour, they're organizing a race to the bottom.

The EU shouldn't allow checks that would discriminate against foreign workers. The law must apply to everyone equally. It's up to the separate nations to design laws that stop the exploitation of workers.

 

[Full bodied red]

It doesn't matter how much food we import from the 3rd World if revenues from it isn't distributed more evenly. And, we should really be encouraging the 3rd World to grow sustainable crops meant to sustain their own populations, and not so that we here in the West can have an avocado in our salad.

It doesn't matter how much food we import from the 3rd World if revenues from it isn't distributed more evenly. And, we should really be encouraging the 3rd World to grow sustainable crops meant to sustain their own populations, and not so that we here in the West can have an avocado in our salad.

No argument with that....

But I'd add that there are very, very few starving Kenyans and Tanzanians. Plenty of poor ones, not many hungery ones.

 

[Mozza]

People arent spending tho, thats an issue

They are here in the UK, to the point where savings levels are as low as they were before the crash

 

[Rams]

No argument with that....

But I'd add that there are very, very few starving Kenyans and Tanzanians. Plenty of poor ones, not many hungery ones.

Good. So then I'm sure we'll see the UK help sustain 3rd World economies by, for example, lowering tariffs on roasted coffee beans and raising tariffs on raw coffee beans as soon as they leave the evil EU and the shackles of the CAP...

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Cost you more? You simply don't know. Both the remain and brexit campaigns were full of spurious shit like this. You won't actually know until the deal is done, and the effects are measured over a period afterwards.

As to the last point, pure conjecture. It's like saying the poor working class don't contribute anything and therefore shouldn't have a voice?

Wouldn't it be better to assess the situation before making a decision, apparently not. Of course if the Uk retain all the benefits they currently which they assume they will , cheap flights remain, telephone roaming remains the same and so on, but we'll see as time goes on.

For the last point, I meant people who don't pay tax cannot complain about money spent by the government. They can have a voice about other things.

 

[devilish]

You're taking me back 50 years to school - Cavour, Mazzini and Garibaldi.

Those guys are probably spinning in their graves.

They should be spinning. They sold the idea of a unified Italy as something that will bring a level of playing field to everybody only to implement the Northern Italy way of politics which killed off any sort of industry down South. Any sort of rebellion was crushed by the Army. That's criminal

 

[endless_wheelies]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...on-eu-exempt-transfers-signings-a7659381.html

Odd that Premier League clubs just want to maintain the same current EU permit exemptions (although presumably still lose the movement of 16-18 year olds), rather than use it to barter watered down permits from the FA/Home Office for the rest of the world. Far more value/quality in South America, plus marketing opportunity elsewhere.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Agree with you about unemployment in France - and I'd lay it firmly at the door of the unions, who block every attempt to change Labour Laws to make it more attractive for employers to hire employees. Remember this ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ory-country-stupid-labour-laws-communist.html

As for other countries - I'm like you. I don't know the laws in each individual country. But I'll give you an example that I do know of.

In Italy, major Logistics companies with big warehouses employing hundreds or thousands of people, hire their employees from the unions - not the temping agencies like Blue Arrow, Adecco and Ranstad as they do in the UK and down here. To me, it's so obvious that is a great idea. Unions and Employers working together to provide jobs. Why don't FO or CGT do that instead of non-stop confrontation ?

OK...I understand now. I thought you might have been talking about cigarette packets.

Yes, as far as I'm aware, the French Government are ' in the process of implementing ' the EU Recommendations, whatever that means.

Doesn't seem to be working yet, though, does it ? Maybe legislation would be more effective, but then again, quite a few countries in the EU have form when it comes to ignoring EU legislation if it doesn't suit them or they simply can't do it - France being one of them.

I don't disagree with you about the unions, I've had a lot of first hand experience, maybe it's the same in the other countries, but I don't know.

The Uk promise all sort of tax advantages and they wonder why their services are so rubbish but daren't propose tax rises to the electorate, in France the workers have so many rights it is unbelievable, but how does the government get more people back to work when there is a wall of defence stopping progress, does France go through the UK problems of the 60s,70s and 80s . This is not the sole reason though.

I know France has introduced those recommendations but that doesn't get people back to work.

But I still stick to the same point, the UK , Germany, Holland, Ireland have all low unemployment and southern European have higher unemployment.
It does not mean the EU or even the Euro are to blame, it is the individual countries.

Not to worry, if Le Pen gets in, retirement for all at 60, extra holidays, less working hours and probably a free winning lottery ticket for all French white people.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...on-eu-exempt-transfers-signings-a7659381.html

Odd that Premier League clubs just want to maintain the same current EU permit exemptions (although presumably still lose the movement of 16-18 year olds), rather than use it to barter watered down permits from the FA/Home Office for the rest of the world. Far more value/quality in South America, plus marketing opportunity elsewhere.

The home office should allow any immigrant from any country with a job offer that pays the top tax rate to come here IMO

 

[Full bodied red]

Good. So then I'm sure we'll see the UK help sustain 3rd World economies by, for example, lowering tariffs on roasted coffee beans and raising tariffs on raw coffee beans as soon as they leave the evil EU and the shackles of the CAP...

I suspect that the UK and the Commonwealth countries will already secretly be discussing what they can do together once the UK leaves the evil EU and the shackles of the CAP. And probably the UK has spent the past six months talking to China, India, Japan, tc, but secretly you understand, because while the UK remains a member of the evil EU they are not allowed to.

 

[endless_wheelies]

The home office should allow any immigrant from any country with a job offer that pays the top tax rate to come here IMO

Well they did used to but people whinged that useless British players weren't being given the opportunity to be useless in the Premier League so they introduced special football restrictions.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

The Uk are looking to trade with the commonwealth countries mainly to sell, not to buy

 

[Rams]

I suspect that the UK and the Commonwealth countries will already secretly be discussing what they can do together once the UK leaves the evil EU and the shackles of the CAP. And probably the UK has spent the past six months talking to China, India, Japan, tc, but secretly you understand, because while the UK remains a member of the evil EU they are not allowed to.

I'm sure all those countries will be mightily impressed by the shear weight of the government's negotiating power and that Britain will be making trade deals in the interests of sustainability and the British public. It's going to be great days for Britain's weapons industry I reckon.

 

[Rams]

The home office should allow any immigrant from any country with a job offer that pays the top tax rate to come here IMO

The problem with that is that it makes Britain uncompetitive and the net result will lead to a loss. Therefore, I predict that exactly the opposite will happen and Britain will become a tax haven.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The problem with that is that it makes Britain uncompetitive and the net result will lead to a loss. Therefore, I predict that exactly the opposite will happen and Britain will become a tax haven.

If they are tax efficient or not once they are here is up to them.

 

[Full bodied red]

I don't disagree with you about the unions, I've had a lot of first hand experience, maybe it's the same in the other countries, but I don't know.

The Uk promise all sort of tax advantages and they wonder why their services are so rubbish but daren't propose tax rises to the electorate, in France the workers have so many rights it is unbelievable, but how does the government get more people back to work when there is a wall of defence stopping progress, does France go through the UK problems of the 60s,70s and 80s . This is not the sole reason though.

I know France has introduced those recommendations but that doesn't get people back to work.

But I still stick to the same point, the UK , Germany, Holland, Ireland have all low unemployment and southern European have higher unemployment.
It does not mean the EU or even the Euro are to blame, it is the individual countries.

Not to worry, if Le Pen gets in, retirement for all at 60, extra holidays, less working hours and probably a free winning lottery ticket for all French white people.

She won't get in...There aren't that many racists in France. I hope.

Your thing about unemplyment in Southern Europe.

At the risk of sounding racist myself, I've always had this theory that there is a different work ethic between Northen Europeans and Southern Europeans which developed over the last 20,000 years. In Northern Europe, if the people didn't work hard in the fields, ploughing, planting, harvesting, etc, they'd have nothing to eat. In Southern Europe, with a milder climate and longer growing season, that wasn't so much a problem as there were always plenty of wild vegetables and fruits that they could just pick when they needed them.

As society developed and then industrialised, the Southern Europeans found it difficult to change after 20,000 years and so carried on with the ' Nature will provide ' attitude. Here in Provence, the locals say that Spain has its famous manana attitude but Provence has 30 equivalent words although none convey the same sense of urgency as manana.

Where the EU comes into it, I believe, is that when it was just a Free Trade Association it was all OK. But when it became the EU, it was constructed and operates on a more sophisticated Northern European model of how an economy and society should work, and too many countries were not ready for the huge change that the EU model has required them to be, and they're still struggling to adapt.

Perhaps some on here will call me racist to say all this, but my theory anyway.

 

[Mozza]

The Uk are looking to trade with the commonwealth countries mainly to sell, not to buy

They are looking to trade but those pesky brown people want visas in return! How dare they belive they can step foot on these blessed isles

 

[Paul the Wolf]

She won't get in...There aren't that many racists in France. I hope.

You're thing about unemplyment in Southern Europe.

At the risk of sounding racist myself, I've always had this theory that there is a different work ethic between Northen Europeans and Southern Europeans which developed over the last 20,000 years. In Northern Europe, if the people didn't work hard in the fields, ploughing, planting, harvesting, etc, they'd have nothing to eat. In Southern Europe, with a milder climate and longer growing season, that wasn't so much a problem as there were always plenty of wild vegetables and fruits that they could just pick when they needed them.

As society developed and then industrialised, the Southern Europeans found it difficult to change after 20,000 years and so carried on with the ' Nature will provide ' attitude. Here in Provence, the locals say that Spain has its famous manana attitude but Provence has 30 equivalent words although none convey the same sense of urgency as manana.

Where the EU comes into it, I believe, is that when it was just a Free Trade Association it was all OK. But when it became the EU, it was constructed and operates on a more sophisticated Northern European model of how an economy and society should work, and too many countries were not ready for the huge change that the EU model has required them to be, and they're still struggling to adapt.

Perhaps some on here will call me racist to say all this, but my theory anyway.

I can't see her getting in either but people get tempted by false promises, which is why we're in this thread.

Anyway, I don't find French people lazy at all, as was implied in that article. They are handed a lot of benefits although their salaries are not that high and will take advantage of what they can like most people.
In my experience dealing with the Unions is like a mini-Brexit, the union leaders lie to the workers, the most protected job you can get in France is to be a union leader, whatever happens , you're safe, the perks and benefits that go with that job are beyond belief. The more trouble you can cause, the better off you are - doesn't matter if the companies go bust. The workers are well protected to a degree for a while if they're made redundant but that sort of wears off when they can't get another job.

 

[Mozza]

The home office should allow any immigrant from any country with a job offer that pays the top tax rate to come here IMO

What about their family? The wife might not earn so much. The kids will need schooling. Are they allowed in too?

 

[Dion]

She won't get in...There aren't that many racists in France. I hope.

You're thing about unemplyment in Southern Europe.

At the risk of sounding racist myself, I've always had this theory that there is a different work ethic between Northen Europeans and Southern Europeans which developed over the last 20,000 years. In Northern Europe, if the people didn't work hard in the fields, ploughing, planting, harvesting, etc, they'd have nothing to eat. In Southern Europe, with a milder climate and longer growing season, that wasn't so much a problem as there were always plenty of wild vegetables and fruits that they could just pick when they needed them.

As society developed and then industrialised, the Southern Europeans found it difficult to change after 20,000 years and so carried on with the ' Nature will provide ' attitude. Here in Provence, the locals say that Spain has its famous manana attitude but Provence has 30 equivalent words although none convey the same sense of urgency as manana.

Where the EU comes into it, I believe, is that when it was just a Free Trade Association it was all OK. But when it became the EU, it was constructed and operates on a more sophisticated Northern European model of how an economy and society should work, and too many countries were not ready for the huge change that the EU model has required them to be, and they're still struggling to adapt.

Perhaps some on here will call me racist to say all this, but my theory anyway.

I mean this stands up until you look at evidence.

The first great European empire was built by lazy Southern Europeans, also the ancients Greeks who weren't exactly a lazy people.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

They are looking to trade but those pesky brown people want visas in return! How dare they belive they can step foot on these blessed isles

I'd be interested to know what they're planning to sell to the majority of those people earning a few dollars a day (if they're lucky) but of course there is always Canada, NZ & Oz combined population less than Germany alone.

 

[Full bodied red]

I mean this stands up until you look at evidence.

The first great European empire was built by lazy Southern Europeans, also the ancients Greeks who weren't exactly a lazy people.

Yeah....I know.

Maybe they were just resting on their laurels ( geddit ? ) for the next 1,000 years or so

 

[Mozza]

I'd be interested to know what they're planning to sell to the majority of those people earning a few dollars a day (if they're lucky) but of course there is always Canada, NZ & Oz combined population less than Germany alone.

I'm not sure they are interested in selling that much to them. What I am certain they will do is open up this country to so much dirty money it'll make your head spin

 

[Full bodied red]

I'd be interested to know what they're planning to sell to the majority of those people earning a few dollars a day (if they're lucky) but of course there is always Canada, NZ & Oz combined population less than Germany alone.

UK trade with Germany is a strange one.

What does the UK sell to Germany ? I've no idea, and I've had a few too many full bodied reds tonight to be bothered researching, so maybe you can list it for us.

Meanwhile, I suggest you look around your home/office and have a look what's there that was made in Germany - my wife's German and we often joke about this, beause the only thing in our house is usually just a few bottles of Becks - and I reckon there's not much which are daily essentials to everyday living that couldn't be replaced by something made somewhere else and which would probabaly be an awful lot cheaper.

If, on the other hand, you consider very expensive but highest quality cars and power tools as daily essentials, then you obviously have more money than me.

Of all the EU countries, Germany has the biggest risk if there is no Trade Deal between the UK and the EU.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

UK trade with Germany is a strange one.

What does the UK sell to Germany ? I've no idea, and I've had a few too many full bodied reds tonight to be bothered researching, so maybe you can list it for us.

Meanwhile, I suggest you look around your home/office and have a look what's there that was made in Germany - my wife's German and we often joke about this, beause the only thing in our house is usually just a few bottles of Becks - and I reckon there's not much which are daily essentials to everyday living that couldn't be replaced by something made somewhere else and which would probabaly be an awful lot cheaper.

If, on the other hand, you consider very expensive but highest quality cars and power tools as daily essentials, then you obviously have more money than me.

Of all the EU countries, Germany has the biggest risk if there is no Trade Deal between the UK and the EU.

You sort of contradict yourself by saying Germany doesn't export anything and then say Germany will be most hit if there is no trade deal between the Uk and the EU. The hardest hit by far will be the UK, what do you buy that's British, and please don't tell me it's Boris's chocolate cake made in Walthamstow.

I have all the figures from all countries and all their exports and imports but I don't listen to politicians talking rubbish, I make my own investigation.
Couple of bits of info:
Germany's biggest export destination is the USA followed by France
The biggest exporter of cars to China is Germany and yes Germany's biggest export of all is cars, they sell them worldwide.

 

[endless_wheelies]

I'd be interested to know what they're planning to sell to the majority of those people earning a few dollars a day (if they're lucky) but of course there is always Canada, NZ & Oz combined population less than Germany alone.

Demand for financial services is booming in the likes of China/India but their domestic sectors are way behind.

 

[Full bodied red]

You sort of contradict yourself by saying Germany doesn't export anything and then say Germany will be most hit if there is no trade deal between the Uk and the EU. The hardest hit by far will be the UK, what do you buy that's British, and please don't tell me it's Boris's chocolate cake made in Walthamstow.

I have all the figures from all countries and all their exports and imports but I don't listen to politicians talking rubbish, I make my own investigation.
Couple of bits of info:
Germany's biggest export destination is the USA followed by France
The biggest exporter of cars to China is Germany and yes Germany's biggest export of all is cars, they sell them worldwide.

No...Germany exports billions-worth every week.

What I'm saying is that despite a shit FXRate and potential tariffs, your everyday household bill won't increase because of stuff you HAVE to buy from Germany, even though the UK is Germany's second largest export market and annual UK trade with Germany is about €15 billion negative in favour of Germany.

So on two counts ( German goods will perhaps become too expensive and none are really everday necessities anyway ) lack of free trade between the UK and Germany will hurt Germany for sure. I don't know what the UK exports to Germany, I was hoping you'd tell us so that we could make a judgement whether the sales will dip without a trade deal....That's all.

From the UK in our house ? Off the top of my head, some gin, some English wine, some HiFi equipment, probably some fish landed in the UK, and that's about it, really. The diesel in the cars might be from the North Sea, certainly not from Germany or France.