I posted either way a few times. After the Soton game at home I could see him gone. After winning the FA Cup and seeing potential replacements I'd have preferred him to stay.
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I posted either way a few times. After the Soton game at home I could see him gone. After winning the FA Cup and seeing potential replacements I'd have preferred him to stay.
We'd have to get rid of pogba. Can't see him fitting into simeones system
It's been a weird season alright. Couldn't be more different to the last one. Leicester wouldn't have a sniff off the title this time round.
And Chelsea wouldn't have a hope in hell last season!
Huh? I'm talking about points totals. Much less points dropped by the top teams this season.
Well I appreciate the effort, I really do. You would think this is the least you could expected from a professional, but Moyes thought us otherwise.
Still whatever he concluded from that analysis - it couldn't have been a winger deficiency.
Yeah I was saying it's mental how teams can change in just 8/9 months. This seasons Chelsea are looking brilliant whereas last year they were hovering near relegation.
He would fit in Koke's old role which he played under Allegri iirc.
Jose is the best coach we can have at this time to bring is back to the top. We just need to breath in and out a few times, relax, and trust that sooner rather than later we will get our mojo back.
I get it. Another jibe at the Manchester United manager. You're fond of those. More than most rival fans, even. They're more subtle when you're sober, mind you.
I like José's style at the exception of some critical games where he just shut the shop but his teams are good to watch 95% of the time.
When you are being out classed by a guy named Shakespeare maybe it's time to rethink what you are doing lol
No its the same Leicester team that won the league last year, but stopped playing for Ranieri for some reason
Jose must stay.
We're not a team who sacks managers for underwhelming performances for 1 season (despite Moyes, who was so pessimistic and not up for the job). That's a Chelsea or City mentality. I curse the posters on here who feel he should be sacked, are you really United supporters? Get a grip, seriously.
The man management of Jose, for me, is on point. Too many times footballers expect to be shielded from the cruel cruel world, but sometimes, if you get a guy who has got great potential, who has been given a chance at United and he's taking the piss, it's good to make a case of him. Wise up dickhead, and do your job you're paid handsomely to do.
We're not a team who sacks managers for underwhelming performances for 1 season (despite Moyes, who was so pessimistic and not up for the job). That's a Chelsea or City mentality. I curse the posters on here who feel he should be sacked, are you really United supporters? Get a grip, seriously.
The man management of Jose, for me, is on point. Too many times footballers expect to be shielded from the cruel cruel world, but sometimes, if you get a guy who has got great potential, who has been given a chance at United and he's taking the piss, it's good to make a case of him. Wise up dickhead, and do your job you're paid handsomely to do.
I agree with this. We need to look back at Fergies time here. First 4 years wasnt brilliant. Im not saying give Jose 4 years but at least 2 and maybe 3. Moyes was out of his depth. LVG playing style was a snooze fest, and at least we seem to be attacking just aimless in front of goal. I think he will bring in 5-6 top players in the summer, and if they cant improve us and finish top 4 then I dont know what can. Fergie always said football is cyclical and maybe hes right. Who would of thought in 1990 that Liverpool wouldnt win the league again?
21 goals in 16 home games (27 home points). Last season we also had 21 goals in 16 home games but 34 points.
Even if we win the last 3 home games, it'd put us on 36 points. Last season we had 41 at home.
We scored six goals in the last three home games that season to give 27 home goals overall. Our last three home games this season are Chelsea, Swansea and Crystal Palace.
Wow. Jose has already got you guys doing what was expected in the 3rd season as done by us and Madrid fans.
I'd say yes, and because of the noticeable (albeit frustratingly staccato) improvement in our general play that everyone was unanimous about a mere couple months ago.
His past can't just be casually dismissed. It's contributed to his profile. A profile that has helped us attract players like Pogba and Ibrahimovic, and until it's totally ruined, will help us attract others like them. If he continues to fail, then sure, get rid, but unless he relegates us, I struggle to see what people think we could genuinely lose by giving him another season? United failing under Jose Mourinho is still a bigger story than almost anything else in football. We aren't in danger of falling off the radar.
Chelsea, Liverpool and even Leicester have all mounted serious recent title challenges off the back of seasons way more disastrous than ours. As long as we're still big news, and rich (both of which we are) we're unlikely to ever be more than a season away from resurgence. I'm not sure if it's impatience or paranoia, but the panic seems unfounded to me.
Difference being our clubs aren't run by our players
A little from column A and a little from column B. With a sprinkling of gleeful "toldyousoism" from people who refused to give Mourinho a chance from the get go.
And how has that helped Utd in the last 4 seasons?
You forget when things are going well what he's like. When things are shit, he's a prick. Always will be. Have a go at the ref, the crowd, the bastard opposition for defending, one of our youngsters, whatever. But of course he gets another year. We've stalled but we're better than last year, no doubt. Only a fool would deny progress and once there's progress we back him.
I rarely go in player performance threads anymore because of this. When you know who the culprits are, it's almost comical to watch the clockwork regularity with which they disappear for weeks, then pounce on one poor performance to spew a diatribe they've patently been waiting months to release. Almost if the intermitting good games have been agony for them.
I mean, we've all done it to some degree. But the regular naysayers in the big player threads are the best, and often the most comically belligerent.
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It's pathological. I get just as irritated by the pointed silence every time said player has a good game.
The hard working players are all doing well under Jose: Valencia, Herrera, Young, Rojo, Fellaini etc, its the talented and creative players like Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Martial, Rashford who are struggling under the manager. At some point it becomes a case of whether Jose can reach attackers as much as he can get out of the grafters because he seems to be a manager who lacks ideas when the side is struggling creatively.
Simple as
It hasn't, was just pointing out it's hardly the same scenario. I highly doubt the club would accept players throwing their toys out of the pram and trying to push the manager out, that's the board's decision.
I'm not entirely sure anybody on this forum - or anywhere - has seriously suggested sacking Mourinho, have they? I'm not really sure why it's a discussion. The current debate is fair game, however. Debating whether or not Mourinho's approach is still relevant, or special, or as effective as it once was, is certainly worthy of debate and there is increasing evidence to suggest that this might be the case. Last season was a disaster. This season has been underwhelming, in the league at least. His sides are struggling to score goals. Mourinho is right to be questioned, just as much as he is right to be given time at United to sort us out.
Multiple people have.
Where?
On mobile so can't find them for you atm, but go look through the "Is Jose still the special one" and the "Luke shaw is behind 3 other players" threads. Albeit some of them are speaking out of their dislike for him as a person rather than his accomplishments this season.
If we finish 6th and don't get CL football. It gives our board a very serious decision to make. Given the fact an LVG team finished 4th and joint 4th, we've spent(wasted) £150m and our rivals have spent significantly less. There is no question Jose's job will be under threat.
He's on an upward trajectory! From disaster to underwhelming in just one season. Next season we could be satisfactory!
Since our Top 4 hope now is next to impossible, we should go all out attacking mode in our remaining EPL games.
I refuse to believe that our lack of goal is solely because we do not have quality players. We have to start looking at the tactic at some point.
We have to try something different and be bold to attack from the start and not last 10-20 mins of the match.
This is in preparation for next season tactic where we will still face many opposition parking the bus against us.
I don't think signing new players next season is the answer. We have been doing this for the last 3-4 seasons and we are pretty much the same slow and predictable football team.
This is the time to change as both our play and result deteriorated badly in the last few months.
I refuse to believe that our lack of goal is solely because we do not have quality players. We have to start looking at the tactic at some point.
We have to try something different and be bold to attack from the start and not last 10-20 mins of the match.
This is in preparation for next season tactic where we will still face many opposition parking the bus against us.
I don't think signing new players next season is the answer. We have been doing this for the last 3-4 seasons and we are pretty much the same slow and predictable football team.
This is the time to change as both our play and result deteriorated badly in the last few months.
I've never liked him, personally. After his capitulation in the recent Chelsea job, I was very much against the idea of us hiring him, but it happened, so we go from there.
If he can get Champions League football, one way or the other, he's fulfilled the minimal requirement. If not, then it's clearly another failed season and that has to be taken in to account. That said, I'd really be inclined to stick with him, for the sake of continuity, unless things worsen between now and the end.
Constantly changing managers is an incredibly expensive way to achieve little, so I am inclined to give any manager the benefit of the doubt, as I did the last two much longer than most.
If he can get Champions League football, one way or the other, he's fulfilled the minimal requirement. If not, then it's clearly another failed season and that has to be taken in to account. That said, I'd really be inclined to stick with him, for the sake of continuity, unless things worsen between now and the end.
Constantly changing managers is an incredibly expensive way to achieve little, so I am inclined to give any manager the benefit of the doubt, as I did the last two much longer than most.
I mostly agree with your point, but I think it's not the whole story. It is also the players fault, in Rashford, Martial's, Lingard's, and even Pogba's case, they are very young and need to learn how to perform under pressure. Mhiki has struggled when the whole creative weight of the team falls on him. He seems to do better when both he and Mata are the creative outlets.
Hopefully, Rashford or Martial will score one or two goals and tgat will lift the pressure on the whole team.
SAF was exceptional at motivating players to play under pressure. José is good at creating a very strong team spirit and formidable mentality too, but he isn't as good as SAF (perhaps noone is as good) at helping players deal with pressure. However, I believe José is better at overall tactics and team building.
We just need to have a bit of patience.
What we need the most over the summer are one or two clinical finishers, whether strikers or wingers. That plus one midfielder (assuming we also get Pereira back from loan) and we will start clicking.
Agree with all this, except I do like him since Porto from way back. The thing is, he knows how to build teams, so I'm pretty confident that we will win something sooner rather than later, and I'm grateful for his four signings. But I don't think the relationship will be a long term one.
No doubt about that. Likewise, if José were underperforming elsewhere that way, Caf users would mock the respective fanbase all day for the same blind faith that's practiced here. I suppose objectivity isn't a football fan's strongest suit, regardless of the club s/he feels attached to.
It will be interesting to read some of the posts here again after United wins the Europa Cup.
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