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When they were first announced i was opposed to most of Osborne's plans for child/family credit, the financial thresholds and taper in particular. However...this cut-off at two children is more of a debate IMO. Maybe you argue that the limit ought to be three, or that multiple births should be exempt, yet the general principle is not an extreme one.

Ultimately it's the child that will suffer for the sake of a few votes, disgusting policy
 
While I'm aware there are many struggling to send their children private I doubt the price elasticity is that tight and if private schools lost 10% of pupils would they reduce their fees or offer part paid burseries to some children? Or extend multi children discounts. I think they probably would.

I heard today on a radio call in that private schools can claim payment from the LEA for each child they take, so if that's true they are strain on the system to an extent.

I do agree that I don't think funding middle class famalies meals isn't as benefiscial as spending on the school itself. But some of the poorest children will suffer currently as spending more schools generally and they do need it.

Schools definitely need more money currently there are schools who are employing unqualified teachers to teach, which should be unacceptable. There is also a post code lottery of whether you can get into a good school or an inadequate school. Part of that is richer districts having far more money than poorer districts and part of it is just whether a head is good or poor. But I digress....

But I digress, this does play to Labour voters past and present, it will win them many more votes than they will lose.

If the object is to improve nutrition and diet over the longer term, a proper Home-Ec curriculum is where the emphasis should be.

I think you are right on the potential appeal for some Labour voters; there was a caller on the radio earlier today, who saw Eton as as being representative of private education generally.
 
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I have not looked through the posts, but has anyone mentioned that charging VAT on school fees is a tax on education? It doesn't matter if the parents can afford it or not, taxing education is fundamentally, and morally, wrong.
 
To think some people will vote for this toad



Is there really any inconsistency there? When Trump was elected, he was elected on a promise of not meddling in Middle Eastern affairs with the exception of defeating ISIS. He's now changed that stance by targeting Assad, which people didn't expect of him. Farron isn't saying he supports Trump's Presidency or that he thinks we're particularly safe at all with Trump in charge; he's just saying that he supports this particular action of Trump's. Whether or not he's right is another matter, but it doesn't strike me as him flip-flopping.
 
Is there really any inconsistency there? When Trump was elected, he was elected on a promise of not meddling in Middle Eastern affairs with the exception of defeating ISIS. He's now changed that stance by targeting Assad, which people didn't expect of him. Farron isn't saying he supports Trump's Presidency or that he thinks we're particularly safe at all with Trump in charge; he's just saying that he supports this particular action of Trump's. Whether or not he's right is another matter, but it doesn't strike me as him flip-flopping.

Agreed. The facts changed so he changed his mind. Don't see the problem here.
 
From the Yanks I heard interviewed in Time Square today it seems like this has been a political win for him on a domestic level. 'Not a Trump supporter but he has done the right thing here' was the gist of it.
 
Agreed. The facts changed so he changed his mind. Don't see the problem here.

Yep. I'm not even particularly sure if I agree with Trump's actions on this one because it's a far more complex situation than he'd ever admit in his simple-minded approach, but at the same time it's fine for someone like Farron to occasionally agree with the actions of someone he thinks is dangerous, and for him to be fine with someone he disagrees with when they've actively moved away from a previous stance.
 
I have not looked through the posts, but has anyone mentioned that charging VAT on school fees is a tax on education? It doesn't matter if the parents can afford it or not, taxing education is fundamentally, and morally, wrong.

How is it more fundamentally, and morally, wrong than taxing the very poorest people on gas and electricity?
 
Waking up each morning to discover Jeremy Corbyn is still leader of the Labour party is as depressing as I imagine it would be if we all woke up tomorrow and discovered Paul Daniels wasn't actually dead.
 
Waking up each morning to discover Jeremy Corbyn is still leader of the Labour party is as depressing as I imagine it would be if we all woke up tomorrow and discovered Paul Daniels wasn't actually dead.
FFS :lol:

Wouldn't begrudge Daniels a good ol' death fake, seemed a nice bloke (future disclaimer - no allegations were known at time of posting). I had actually forgotten he was dead, and indeed had ever existed.
 
What Britain needs is a principled, serious opposition, who's said he'd make another coalition with The Tories.

If the Lib Dems could be in coalition with the Tories and neuter the worst elements of them then there's worse that could happen. Don't get me wrong...I was no fan of the coalition and still think the Lib Dems were weak as feck for a party who found themselves in a very strong position, but since the coalition we've had the snooper's charter and Brexit. Stuff we probably wouldn't have gotten with the Lib Dems still kicking around. Again, far from perfect, but I'd much rather a party I've got mild reservations about working with one I actively dislike than the party I actively dislike/can't stand operating on their own.
 
If the Lib Dems could be in coalition with the Tories and neuter the worst elements of them then there's worse that could happen. Don't get me wrong...I was no fan of the coalition and still think the Lib Dems were weak as feck for a party who found themselves in a very strong position, but since the coalition we've had the snooper's charter and Brexit. Stuff we probably wouldn't have gotten with the Lib Dems still kicking around. Again, far from perfect, but I'd much rather a party I've got mild reservations about working with one I actively dislike than the party I actively dislike/can't stand operating on their own.
This was the thing, they massively underplayed their hand and naively imagined that they would be rewarded for being cooperative.

Still, this was entertaining at least

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To think some people will vote for this toad


I think that tweet is unfair. I am totally against another war, but we simply cannot allow cnuts to use chemical weapons against their population anytime they like.
 
If the Lib Dems could be in coalition with the Tories and neuter the worst elements of them then there's worse that could happen. Don't get me wrong...I was no fan of the coalition and still think the Lib Dems were weak as feck for a party who found themselves in a very strong position, but since the coalition we've had the snooper's charter and Brexit. Stuff we probably wouldn't have gotten with the Lib Dems still kicking around. Again, far from perfect, but I'd much rather a party I've got mild reservations about working with one I actively dislike than the party I actively dislike/can't stand operating on their own.

I'd actually like to see a hung government where each policy is voted between all MPs and the LDs could side with Labour on some issues and The Tories on others. If there is coalition at least don't fall to the 'we got more votes we get more of a say' because undemocratically ignored all Labour and Lib Dem votes. The LDs agreed to pretty much everything The Tories in order to get an AV Referendum. They should have got some increase in taxation of the richest people, they didn't. They should have voted against some of the austerity measures, they didn't. They can pretend 'The Torries would have been worse without us' but in reality The Tories couldn't have got anything through without their power of veto so they had a huge bargaining chip. I'd imagine most of the things they veto'ed were positions The Tories were using as negotiating tactics anyway.
 
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Is there really any inconsistency there? When Trump was elected, he was elected on a promise of not meddling in Middle Eastern affairs with the exception of defeating ISIS. He's now changed that stance by targeting Assad, which people didn't expect of him. Farron isn't saying he supports Trump's Presidency or that he thinks we're particularly safe at all with Trump in charge; he's just saying that he supports this particular action of Trump's. Whether or not he's right is another matter, but it doesn't strike me as him flip-flopping.

Farron and people with his type of politics have been saying since the Trump election win that Trump is a sexist, racist, bigotry, stupid,unqualified, a danger to world peace and a Russian uncover agent. To the point where they are hoping for some sort of indictment or a C.I.A coup. In Farron case, he agrees with John Bercow that Trump shouldn't be able to address the UK parliament.

Yet where does Farron find common ground with a man that he can't stand to be in the same room with. Aye that's right, dropping bombs on the Middle East, thats all the strike was, a muscle flexing exercise which cost the lives of nine people, four of them being children.
If this shows us anything it's that people like Farron still haven't learnt anything from the past 10+ years(Farron almost always votes for ''intervention'')and that their problems with Trump were simply rhetoric based and not his polices.

I think that tweet is unfair. I am totally against another war, but we simply cannot allow cnuts to use chemical weapons against their population anytime they like.
But we watch Al-Assad shoot,bomb,torture, hang and starved men women and children to death everyday. This moral code on chemical weapons is bizarre, it's less of a red line and more of a line of what's acceptable.
 
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More importantly in the rush to support trump from british politicians like farron, none of them say a word about Yemen.

In yemen, not only are civilians being deliberately targeted by bombs we sell the saudis, we have men on the ground as military advisers helping them do it. Where is the uproar for the deaths we are actively involved in from all these people?

Thats right, nowhere, because they don't give a shiny shite about any of them. Those in syria are used as an excuse to play politics, those in Yemen are ignored because the politics there will play badly for britain
 
More importantly in the rush to support trump from british politicians like farron, none of them say a word about Yemen.

In yemen, not only are civilians being deliberately targeted by bombs we sell the saudis, we have men on the ground as military advisers helping them do it. Where is the uproar for the deaths we are actively involved in from all these people?

Thats right, nowhere, because they don't give a shiny shite about any of them. Those in syria are used as an excuse to play politics, those in Yemen are ignored because the politics there will play badly for britain

That's a tad unfair.

http://www.libdemvoice.org/farron-s...arms-deals-with-saudi-arabia-49059.html#spf=1
 
Oh the humanity, a politician said he might be willing to put his party in government if the parliamentary maths allowed it.
 
I hate her.
She's cut from the same cloth as those American Christian cnuts like Mike Pence and ted Cruz.
Child of a vicar...what an hypocrite.
"fairer society"
feck off!
 
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Nick News said:
Described in the piece as 'Britain's very own Fascist-in-Chief'.
"Even Hitler didn't sign off on Brexit!"
 
Early election?

Though i suppose it could be something like giving an update on whats going on with the brexit negotiations.
 
Imagine beginning a 24 month time limited negotiation and then surrendering 3 months of that to your own election.
 
Nothing is being leaked about what its about which is weird. Hopefully nothing serious and its not to do with ill health.
 
I reckon might be Duke of Edinburgh
 
Solidarity with the USA against North Korea? General Election? WWIII?