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Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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Not dining out, just making a point about which team has hit greater heights this season. That particular period was extremely strong. That is all.
Another thing that plays into the narrative about United's poor season, is expectations.
Most pundits expected United, with the acquisitions and José, to challenge for the league.
Very few expected Liverpool to come close to that, so obviously United have been more disappointing.
So when arguing about Klopp's inability to build a squad one can't reference his previous record, as the parameters (set, apparently, by KM) of this specific thread are exclusively about his time at Liverpool. Makes sense.
Absolutely. Which I referenced in in my earlier post.
But the season isn't over yet. United still have plenty to play for and a chance to make the season very memorable. It's possible to be excited about what may happen rather than disappointed about what did not. It's obviously a major positive to be going into the business end of the season with another shot at silverware. The empty feeling of pushing solely for a mouldy non-achievement 4th place would certainly grind people down much more.
But it doesn't make sense. We're Carling cup winners, odds on to reach the EL semi on Thursday and have games in hand to draw level on points with your lot in the league.
Beating Swansea and Watford by a wide margin last September shouldn't even register at this point.
As I said, I don't give a shit as to what Klopp did with Mainz or Dortmund. His squad building at Liverpool has been shit inspite of been given three transfer windows. You can understand whatever you want too from my earlier post.
If you want to talk about perception then you have to go back to the start of the season & ask yourself would you have been happy if you could have seen the future & looked at the PL table as it currently stands. 66 points with 5 games still left to play would have made most Liverpool fans happy I imagine. & the pundits obsession with United's lack of a title challenge is no different to that of the average United fan. Be honest, you're up there with Chelsea & City in the spending stakes. You have an infrastructure that's built for success. Therefore it stands to reason that you shouldn't be in a position whereby you're struggling to make the top 4 on a consistent basis. So when you start 'bragging' about having more trophies than Liverpool over recent years, you're on the slippery slope to RAWK land.
In my fifteen years on this forum I have never seen the Mickey Mouse Trophy so loftily celebrated than this season. Firstly, good that Utd fans finally acknowledge it as a proper trophy. Secondly, tells you where Utd sit at the table nowadays.
In my fifteen years on this forum I have never seen the Mickey Mouse Trophy so loftily celebrated than this season. Firstly, good that Utd fans finally acknowledge it as a proper trophy. Secondly, tells you where Utd sit at the table nowadays.
I think it's important, especially for our young players, that they become accustomed to success and winning trophies. Those players have a shot at winning 3 trophies in the space of a year, including last season's FA Cup. How you can twist this to anything but a positive for United mystifies me.
But I suppose Liverpool did beat Watford 6-1 back in November.
I'm not gonna be churlish - Liverpool are a (slightly) better team than us at the moment. Their attack is superior. Our defence is better than theirs though.
So not much in it & of course no European football has probably flattered their performances in the league somewhat.
However, I expect Jose to move us up a gear next season. Will be interesting to see how Liverpool cope on 4 fronts next season seeing as Klopp effectively threw the FA Cup this season with less of a schedule.
So not much in it & of course no European football has probably flattered their performances in the league somewhat.
However, I expect Jose to move us up a gear next season. Will be interesting to see how Liverpool cope on 4 fronts next season seeing as Klopp effectively threw the FA Cup this season with less of a schedule.
It seems to be form from 6 months ago v carling cup victory.In my fifteen years on this forum I have never seen the Mickey Mouse Trophy so loftily celebrated than this season. Firstly, good that Utd fans finally acknowledge it as a proper trophy. Secondly, tells you where Utd sit at the table nowadays.
I know what I would rather have, especially as it seems Liverpool only sit in the top 4 because of the calender and playing more games rather than outplaying United and City to get there.
All those goals scored and yet it seems our goal difference could be identical if we win our games in hand.
Fans of clubs like Liverpool who haven't won anything in a decade shouldn't really make fun of United fans when they celebrate a cup victory.
In my fifteen years on this forum I have never seen the Mickey Mouse Trophy so loftily celebrated than this season. Firstly, good that Utd fans finally acknowledge it as a proper trophy. Secondly, tells you where Utd sit at the table nowadays.
I think it's only silly when former League Cup winners (their supporters) have used it as a boast over a side that has finished without a trophy despite being part of the title chase for much of the season (or had a long run in the CL as another example). In that case of course, I'd rather my club was chasing the title all season long than lifting the League Cup.
Don't think there's much to talk about regarding Liverpool vs Man United seasons. Both have sucked in the league. The latter will possibly mitigate it with two trophies.
In my fifteen years on this forum I have never seen the Mickey Mouse Trophy so loftily celebrated than this season. Firstly, good that Utd fans finally acknowledge it as a proper trophy. Secondly, tells you where Utd sit at the table nowadays.
United sit the same place as you but with more trophies you buffoon
Have you lot actually looked at the table?
You do know there is very little difference between United, City and Liverpool don't you?
Less fixtures, no trophies won, or has the beating West Brom trophy been delivered already? I'd rather a massive fixture list and be fighting for trophies than having an easy ride and winning sweet feck all like Deludedpool.In my fifteen years on this forum I have never seen the Mickey Mouse Trophy so loftily celebrated than this season. Firstly, good that Utd fans finally acknowledge it as a proper trophy. Secondly, tells you where Utd sit at the table nowadays.
I think he saw Loserpool above United and decided the points difference was 20 rather than 6 with 2 games in hand.
They are are a strange bunch
Because as we all know, RAWK have been able to brag about Liverpool winning more trophies than United "in recent years" for the last two decades or so, such was the lack of success at Old Trafford.
I think the point has been well and truly missed there. Despite us being on an apparent downward slope, we've now won two trophies in two seasons. Funnily enough, they happen to be the same two trophies that you last won, except you have to go back five seasons for one of them, and eleven for the other. Additionally, the only two times you've looked like getting Champions League football in the last eight seasons has been when you've had no European football and been dumped out of everything else by February.
You do understand the word 'perception' don't you ? You do understand the concept that most, if not all, United fans would have expected their side to be quite a way clear of Liverpool at this stage of the season.
None of us are shouting our mouths off about the fact, more saying that we'd have been very happy to be in our current position at the start of the season. Are you happy to be in your current position ?
Ouch
Totally agree with you. Winning one trophy is great. Winning 3 is just wow. People who ridicule such an achievement should hang their heads in shame.
Now you're telling me what I did and didn't think before the start of the season to make you feel better about how your team is doing?
I think it was ridiculous as you lot seemed to try and put your treble on par with ours.
That's what made it daft.
Comparing a young transitioning United team to the finished article '99 treble winners is ridiculous.
United fans would never call winning those trophies The Treble. That's where you went wrong. You thought you were emulating us but you weren't even close.
Clubs set out the season with different objectives. While one team may try to avoid relegation, another may want to win the league. But if both of those objectives are met by the respective clubs then it's a success for both.
For this reason I personally believe we could have a better season, because of our original aims. We set out for a CL spot and are still competing for that.
You set out to win/compete for the league. You did. United fans couldn't hold in their excitement when the signings of Pogba and Zlatan were announced in their triple figure million Black Friday esque shopping spree. And you got Mourinho too, the quick fix, instant success, always wins the league in the second season manager.
On top of that you had a good start to the season so there was double optimism. Halfway through however things started to falter, and you had to re-evaluate your aims, convincing yourselves that after the debacle of LvG a CL spot always should have been the objective and it was silly to think you could win the league straight away.
Yes you've won a League Cup and may even add a Europa league to that too. But at the end of the day had I told you (if this happens by the way) you'll end up 6th with a League cup and Europa League you'd of been a bit surprised considering the money spent and manager brought in. Although maybe you could of been convinced to accept it because of the Europa league. I don't know you tell me
However, if you told me we'd be knocked out of all the cups but end up 4th. I'd be happy. (Cups would have been a bonus but hey, 4th was always the aim).
For this reason I personally believe we could have a better season, because of our original aims. We set out for a CL spot and are still competing for that.
You set out to win/compete for the league. You did. United fans couldn't hold in their excitement when the signings of Pogba and Zlatan were announced in their triple figure million Black Friday esque shopping spree. And you got Mourinho too, the quick fix, instant success, always wins the league in the second season manager.
On top of that you had a good start to the season so there was double optimism. Halfway through however things started to falter, and you had to re-evaluate your aims, convincing yourselves that after the debacle of LvG a CL spot always should have been the objective and it was silly to think you could win the league straight away.
Yes you've won a League Cup and may even add a Europa league to that too. But at the end of the day had I told you (if this happens by the way) you'll end up 6th with a League cup and Europa League you'd of been a bit surprised considering the money spent and manager brought in. Although maybe you could of been convinced to accept it because of the Europa league. I don't know you tell me
However, if you told me we'd be knocked out of all the cups but end up 4th. I'd be happy. (Cups would have been a bonus but hey, 4th was always the aim).
My other name for them is Liverscum.
"You're more ambitious than us so you've had a poor season, even though you're winning stuff"
"We set out to win the league, but got this poundland cup thing instead. It's all good though. A cup is a cup"
"We bottled every competition to make a run for the title, but we threw that away as well."
"I feel happy shitting on the only trophy we've won in 10 years, because we beat 10 man Hull by 4 goals back in September"
Arsenal? No wait... City? Ah I give up
It was sensible until this. Now it seems like I've ruffled your feathers.
Grow up lads.
Neither of our clubs can class this is a memorable season. Measuring dicks about it is tantamount to measuring micro penises. Neither United fans or Liverpool fans should be taking their dicks out this season.
We are Man United and Liverpool, the two most illustrious clubs in England, yet we are both have our finger tips clinging on to top four finish in mid-April (although United have, in fairness, done really well in cups). No set of fans have anything to shout about, certainly not league-wise anyway.
Neither of our clubs can class this is a memorable season. Measuring dicks about it is tantamount to measuring micro penises. Neither United fans or Liverpool fans should be taking their dicks out this season.
We are Man United and Liverpool, the two most illustrious clubs in England, yet we are both have our finger tips clinging on to top four finish in mid-April (although United have, in fairness, done really well in cups). No set of fans have anything to shout about, certainly not league-wise anyway.
Arsenal? No wait... City? Ah I give up
It was sensible until this. Now it seems like I've ruffled your feathers.
Yes your cutting wit and incredible level of self-awareness has really ruffled the nest here.
I see a bright future for you on RedCafe @LFC-Fans