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Having an agreement with someone to supply a product is fine and that it could be exclusive is fine but that would be for a limited period and if the agreement is tariff-free then suppliers from the same country as devilish would have the same rights.

I think Stan is advocating tariff free worldwide which sounds nice but is unworkable as you lose control and becomes one of Stan's pet hates, a race to the bottom.
Its not inconceivable, everyone has to be in agreement tho. The race to the bottom exists now even with whatever regs are in place.
 
Having an agreement with someone to supply a product is fine and that it could be exclusive is fine but that would be for a limited period and if the agreement is tariff-free then suppliers from the same country as devilish would have the same rights.

I think Stan is advocating tariff free worldwide which sounds nice but is unworkable as you lose control and becomes one of Stan's pet hates, a race to the bottom.

It's not inconceivable or unworkable but I don't see the point, what goal is that suppose to achieve? What would be the benefit for Stan? One of the important aspect of tarrifs is that they pay customs costs and unless we decide to just get rid of our relatively high quality standards we will have to monitor and control incoming goods which costs a lot of money.
 
Its not inconceivable, everyone has to be in agreement tho. The race to the bottom exists now even with whatever regs are in place.

Yes everyone. "I can do it cheaper" has always existed.
An example was some of the products I was dealing with in the early 2000s - Europe and the USA both decided to put a zero tariff on those products to assist China in their development.
Result - in the USA most of the companies manufacturing those products went bust and quite a few in Europe until they reintroduced tariffs
 
It's not inconceivable or unworkable but I don't see the point, what goal is that suppose to achieve? What would be the benefit for Stan? One of the important aspect of tarrifs is that they pay customs costs and unless we decide to just get rid of our relatively high quality standards we will have to monitor and control incoming goods which costs a lot of money.

It's not unworkable or inconceivable if every country in the world is in agreement and everyone abides by the same regulations and everyone was on a fairly even playing field, it works in the EU and there are no customs or duties to pay within the EU.

One of the Davis/Gove/Johnson trio, can't remember which one, said that the tariffs would pay for the increased government investment in the NHS etc but the tariffs are paid by the importer and thus the consumer.

There's no advantage to Stan because someone who can produce it much cheaper somewhere else will undercut him.
 
It's not unworkable or inconceivable if every country in the world is in agreement and everyone abides by the same regulations and everyone was on a fairly even playing field, it works in the EU and there are no customs or duties to pay within the EU.

One of the Davis/Gove/Johnson trio, can't remember which one, said that the tariffs would pay for the increased government investment in the NHS etc but the tariffs are paid by the importer and thus the consumer.

There's no advantage to Stan because someone who can produce it much cheaper somewhere else will undercut him.

Yeah, that's how I see it. What Stanley propose makes sense locally which is why the globe is divided in free trade areas.
 
Can't say I knew either were based here, but that was surely inevitable. Would've thought the parliament and ECJ in Belgium and France are the real 'crown jewels' tbh.

It was especially humerous though because the Express decided to run the story under a tagline of how the EU were 'punishing' Britain. By doing exactly what Leave voters voted for..
 
Can't say I knew either were based here, but that was surely inevitable. Would've thought the parliament and ECJ in Belgium and France are the real 'crown jewels' tbh.

Months ago, I read that the EBA being in London was great for the Uk because it made it more vulnerable to lobbying. Do you know anything about that?
 
It was especially humerous though because the Express decided to run the story under a tagline of how the EU were 'punishing' Britain. By doing exactly what Leave voters voted for..
EU chooses to house EU institutions in the EU shocker.

Months ago, I read that the EBA being in London was great for the Uk because it made it more vulnerable to lobbying. Do you know anything about that?
Not really tbh. ECB was certainly widely seen as anti-London, resenting so much euro trading being settled in the City though.
 
The UK is leaving the EU hence UK based companies can't compete for contracts for EU projects.

And good luck convincing the most protectionist president in US history to allow UK based companies unrestricted access to the US markets.

Absolute horseshit. You do know the UK did trade with the world before the EU was invented.
 
Absolute horseshit. You do know the UK did trade with the world before the EU was invented.

You just quoted and bolded a line about a non-EU country not being allowed to compete for EU projects (which is completely true) and called it horseshit because pre-EU we used to trade with people? That was very confusing..
 


So the policy is utterly stupid, but sure Andy, only rich people drink coffee.
 
Absolute horseshit. You do know the UK did trade with the world before the EU was invented.

Prior to the EU was invented UK companies couldn't bid to governmental contracts of other countries unless the latter gave consent. I know because we had a similar situation in Malta a few years back. Now every government contract is published outside and any company within the EU can place a bid for it. Once outside the UK, British based companies won't be given that luxury, unless of course, the UK accepts the 4 freedoms
 
Can't say I knew either were based here, but that was surely inevitable. Would've thought the parliament and ECJ in Belgium and France are the real 'crown jewels' tbh.

Not got a clue how important they are but happy to post the inevitable consequences of leaving the EU every time they come up.
 
EU chooses to house EU institutions in the EU shocker.

They will be saying that our MEP's won't be able to vote after we leave Europe next. The English hating European bastards.
 
I could be wrong but I think Jippy was trying to say there are a lot of statements of the bleeding obvious at the moment. Everyone knows.
They will be saying that our MEP's won't be able to vote after we leave Europe next. The English hating European bastards.
Yes on both interrelated counts! How the hell that 'Brexit bill' will ever be agreed without us bending over in the hope of receiving some scraps from the trade table is beyond me.
 
How about 250 pips gain on the Yen and 200 on the euro?

The election announcement has helped the pound as well but FTSE also suffered biggest loss since the referendum, one goes up the other goes down.
If Le Pen loses the french election, I would expect a rise in the Euro.

Note that Hammond says he welcomed the rise in Sterling whereas before we kept being told the fall in the Pound was good for exports.
I don't expect major changes until we know how Brexit negotiations progress.
 
The election announcement has helped the pound as well but FTSE also suffered biggest loss since the referendum, one goes up the other goes down.
If Le Pen loses the french election, I would expect a rise in the Euro.

Note that Hammond says he welcomed the rise in Sterling whereas before we kept being told the fall in the Pound was good for exports.
I don't expect major changes until we know how Brexit negotiations progress.
Tbf, Hammond was never in the fall camp, I doubt any on the usual suspects Hannan, Farage and ReesMogg would change their tone.

That said, now May will have a chance to have a soft landing rather than a hard one.
 
Tbf, Hammond was never in the fall camp, I doubt any on the usual suspects Hannan, Farage and ReesMogg would change their tone.

That said, now May will have a chance to have a soft landing rather than a hard one.

She could but as she changes her mind so often, who knows which stance she will take.
 
The election announcement has helped the pound as well but FTSE also suffered biggest loss since the referendum, one goes up the other goes down.
If Le Pen loses the french election, I would expect a rise in the Euro.

Note that Hammond says he welcomed the rise in Sterling whereas before we kept being told the fall in the Pound was good for exports.
I don't expect major changes until we know how Brexit negotiations progress.
The market was already down before the announcement tbh- lower iron ore prices weighing on the miners.
@Rado_N I think this is an example of the dull technical points we were talking about earlier, just realised...
 
The market was already down before the announcement tbh- lower iron ore prices weighing on the miners.
@Rado_N I think this is an example of the dull technical points we were talking about earlier, just realised...

Yes part of the reason for the FTSE fall was for the iron ore but also partly because of rise in Sterling, also partly the weakness of USD, quite a few factors today plus a vague possibility of a softer brexit.
 
Yes part of the reason for the FTSE fall was for the iron ore but also partly because of rise in Sterling, also partly the weakness of USD, quite a few factors today plus a vague possibility of a softer brexit.
The rise in sterling is somewhat counter-intuitive if May has carte blanche for hard Brexit. Currency markets are a bit of a casino.
 
The rise in sterling is somewhat counter-intuitive if May has carte blanche for hard Brexit. Currency markets are a bit of a casino.

I suppose you could argue that markets have already priced in the cost of a Hard Brexit and are reckoning on May having a better negotiating position?

Or equally I guess optimistically hoping that she might lose.
 
The rise in sterling is somewhat counter-intuitive if May has carte blanche for hard Brexit. Currency markets are a bit of a casino.
Or if she has a larger majority, with lots of lovely soft brexit tories, she doesnt need the hard brexit tories to get it through :lol:
 
I suppose you could argue that markets have already priced in the cost of a Hard Brexit and are reckoning on May having a better negotiating position?

Or equally I guess optimistically hoping that she might lose.
She's 1/10 with Paddy Power so that's some optimism.
Can't see how a bigger majority becomes a bargaining chip when convincing Wallonia to let us keep our passporting rights tbh.