Yeah. System player if you ask me, just good in some system and that's all.
Considering he's a midget, ref would have probably spanked him.
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Yeah. System player if you ask me, just good in some system and that's all.
Considering he's a midget, ref would have probably spanked him.
Good too see Leicester are done and dusted. The dream is dead and soon the circlejerk will be too as they fade back into irrelevance
"It's unbearable to what extend the referees, who don't have access to replays, slow-mos or even mathematical calculations, are publicly attacked. This can and should be stopped in the future."
St. Kalle, after winning a cup final thanks to a wrongfully disallowed goal.
"Today I experienced maddening rage for the first time. Rage, because we got robbed"
St. Kalle, after Vidal got sent off 30 minutes too late.
Time for technology lads, allow video replay!
Make football great again!
Make football great again!
How convenient when you just list the errors that went in our favor.Maybe we got a few shocking decisions in our favor but Bayern also got some, let's not try to rewrite history here.
Really can't believe there is this much outrage, especially by Barcelona fans who shouldn't complain too much themselves when it comes to this matter. At least our players didn't dive all over the place, feign injury and crowded the ref every 2 minutes.... The decisions made by the ref are out of our hands, but I guess all is fair game when trying to make us look like a horrible team. Hypocrites.
The sweet bitterness of Bayern Got outclassed over 2 games and show no class afterwards, standards have fallen. Hypocrites
I think the most sad/bizarre thing is that Bayern actually profited way more from Kassai's mistakes than Real. Vidal's foul in the 48th minute was the most obvious (second) yellow possible and that one would've basically ended the tie right there.
To a certain degree I can understand why Bayern's side are mad but the general public/media doesn't really have an excuse.
The more sober German press actually sees Kassai's mistakes as 4:3 in Real's favour though they count Vidal's eventual sending off as one, which is debatable, since he should've been off long ago by then and this angle actually shows that it indeed was a foul:
To a certain degree I can understand why Bayern's side are mad but the general public/media doesn't really have an excuse.
The more sober German press actually sees Kassai's mistakes as 4:3 in Real's favour though they count Vidal's eventual sending off as one, which is debatable, since he should've been off long ago by then and this angle actually shows that it indeed was a foul:
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They really weren't. Bayern had Real backed into a corner before Vidal was shown red.
Really? You scored two offside goals and Vidal got sent off with a second yellow for what wasn't even a foul. People are always going to focus on those facts and not on the fact that he indeed shouldn't even have been on the pitch anymore at that point, but the fact that Casemiro was apparently allowed to do whatever he likes doesn't really help in that regard either. It would've been the same if it was Barça who got those decisions in its favour.
Maybe we got a few shocking decisions in our favor but Bayern also got some, let's not try to rewrite history here.
Really can't believe there is this much outrage, especially by Barcelona fans who shouldn't complain too much themselves when it comes to this matter. At least our players didn't dive all over the place, feign injury and crowded the ref every 2 minutes.... The decisions made by the ref are out of our hands, but I guess all is fair game when trying to make us look like a horrible team. Hypocrites.
You as a fan can't do anything about last night but all that just showed how much we really need video assistance in football.
Edit: and if you basically meant that it's hypocrite to be outraged by that if you're a Barça fan, then I agree with you, although it's not anormal that they're mad.
Real were the better team with the better chances. They played better yesterday, in the second half, was their best football in the tie, but they failed at home and in the first half
They did not play better yesterday, not even close.
In the first half, neither team played particularly well.
In the second half, Bayern was clearly superior before Vidal was shown red.
In extra time, Madrid took advantage of their man advantage, but two of their three goals were still offside.
I doubt you even watched yesterday judging by your comments.
Meh, at the end of the day, we deservedly won in germany, we were the better team in the first half yesterday, and on the whole i think we were better, though it was mostly a matter of them making more mistakes than us outplaying them
As for yesterday the worst part, the only inexcusable part imho, was how the ref went with a certain level of tolerance in terms of cards, only to suddenly change it and send off vidal. Everything that happened before Casemiro's foul on Robben the use of cards had been consistent(with one exception, xabi alonso being booked for a tactical foul), so there's no point in saying Vidal should have been sent off sooner or Casemiro should have been off sooner. No, Casemiro should have been off for that foul on Robben in the 79th minute. That was the first big mistake. The second big mistake was sending off Vidal minutes later for something that maybe wasn't even a foul, certainly not deserving of a yellow, and the ref had already discounted number of fouls(because again, Casemiro). Those were the two big mistakes by the ref, because they weren't consistent with the way he'd officiated the game until then.
As for the offsides, there was one big instance of lewandowski maybe being onside, maybe slightly offside, which they called offside, a lesser one of cristiano on the other end -same thing- bayern's 2-1 which was clearly offside but the lino probably doesn't see the ball since Muller's body is screening it, cristiano's offside which looks outrageous on a still but again was actually pretty difficult in real time, cristiano's second offside goal, same thing
All in all, the linos made mistakes but none of them were really bad. All difficult calls which they got wrong.
It's those two instances by Kassai with Casemiro and Vidal that were really bad, and i understand bayern fans being angry. I'm kinda angry myself and i'm a madrid fan
As for yesterday the worst part, the only inexcusable part imho, was how the ref went with a certain level of tolerance in terms of cards, only to suddenly change it and send off vidal. Everything that happened before Casemiro's foul on Robben the use of cards had been consistent(with one exception, xabi alonso being booked for a tactical foul), so there's no point in saying Vidal should have been sent off sooner or Casemiro should have been off sooner. No, Casemiro should have been off for that foul on Robben in the 79th minute. That was the first big mistake. The second big mistake was sending off Vidal minutes later for something that maybe wasn't even a foul, certainly not deserving of a yellow, and the ref had already discounted number of fouls(because again, Casemiro). Those were the two big mistakes by the ref, because they weren't consistent with the way he'd officiated the game until then.
As for the offsides, there was one big instance of lewandowski maybe being onside, maybe slightly offside, which they called offside, a lesser one of cristiano on the other end -same thing- bayern's 2-1 which was clearly offside but the lino probably doesn't see the ball since Muller's body is screening it, cristiano's offside which looks outrageous on a still but again was actually pretty difficult in real time, cristiano's second offside goal, same thing
All in all, the linos made mistakes but none of them were really bad. All difficult calls which they got wrong.
It's those two instances by Kassai with Casemiro and Vidal that were really bad, and i understand bayern fans being angry. I'm kinda angry myself and i'm a madrid fan
This.
Football is too tied to tradition. One referee and a couple linesmen, unaided by video, are always going to screw up a lot. It doesn't have to be this way. Do it like the NFL. Give each manager two "challenges," when they can pause the match for 60 seconds while the referee consults 3-4 video angles of a controversial call to see if they got it right. It won't break up the flow of the game that much and it'll prevent egregious match deciding decisions.
Exactly, Bayern's pressure collapsed after Vidal was sent off. Vidal should've been sent off in the 48th minute. Do ze math.
Real Madrid the most corrupt football club on the face of the earth followed closely by Barcelona. Cant stand either of them. Level of the ref was scandalous last night
Casemiro should have also been sent off, which would have leveled the playing field. Also, Casemiro made far more dirty challenges and fouls than Vidal did in that game.
Two offside goals by Real stood, the first one was offside by a mile.
Madrid and Barca fans pointing fingers at each other about ref decisions really is like Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile discussing sexual morale.
Hugely entertaining though, please do continue
Hugely entertaining though, please do continue
Why corrupt?
I somewhat agree.
I'd like video technology but don't want the game to be a slave to it like it's in NBA and NFL where games last two times longer due to it.
I mean don't question every ridiculous like call or faul.
Mbappe hattrick tonight?
And two laughable Penos in both games for Bayern. And one offside goal by Bayern. And the challenge by Vidal WAS a foul, watch the vid in do.ob´s post, makes two perfectly derseved yellow cards. The ref was horrible yesterday but in both directions.
Vidal missed the only "laughable" penalty. The one on Robben was a penalty.
Vidal clearly won the ball first, and Lewandowski was wrongly flagged offside in another play when he was 1-on-1 with Navas.
The ref was horrible in general, but clearly in Madrid's favour.
All of that happened like 30-50 minutes later. You think that much time a man up wouldn't have changed things?
10 on 10 wouldn't have been much different to 11 on 11.
Without Thiago, we wouldn't have had any midfield to speak of yesterday. Thiago's defensive contribution might have been the sole reason we didn't get completely thrashed at the start of the game, because Vidal thought it was a great idea to run around like a headless chicken, attack one player after the other, without ever actually getting the ball in the process. Vidal was a complete disaster yesterday and Alonso is far too old to compensate for his foolishness. So it was solely up to Thiago to put up any fight against the best midfield in all of football, Kroos and Modric.
Just because he didn't flash on a constant basis yesterday, doesn't mean he had a bad game, or even worse is overrated.
The tie changing mistakes
I like neither of those two but the Casemiro thing was shocking. He should have been sent off twice. The ref was almost resisting to send him off.
I know the account is biased but look at the ref's reaction after the challenge. You can't make this up:
I like neither of those two but the Casemiro thing was shocking. He should have been sent off twice. The ref was almost resisting to send him off.
I know the account is biased but look at the ref's reaction after the challenge. You can't make this up:
If your referring to the Griezmann penalty, then surely you have to acknowledge that Saul deserved a penalty about 5 minutes later in the first leg?
Real-Bayern was bad though. There's getting decisions wrong and their's what happened yesterday where it's clear there's a preference just like Barca-PSG. It's one of the reasons we won't see video technology because that will limit the B.S that can go the way the organizers want.
Vidal missed the only "laughable" penalty. The one on Robben was a penalty. No for me it was not. Air Robben did it again.
Vidal clearly won the ball first, and Lewandowski was wrongly flagged offside in another play when he was 1-on-1 with Navas.
Vidal clearly won the ball first ? mate just watch the vid! He clearly got the foot first.
Vidal clearly won the ball first, and Lewandowski was wrongly flagged offside in another play when he was 1-on-1 with Navas.
Vidal clearly won the ball first ?
mate just watch the vid! He clearly got the foot first.That casemiro incident was around the 80th minute right? Even if you somehow assume that being a man up wouldn't affect the game at all (despite both ties proving the opposite) there's like 30 minutes between those incidents.
A competent ref would've ended Vidal and therefore the tie right after half time. So all the tears over Real require some strong mental gymnastics.
And because the UEFA wanted Real to go through, we got a completely ridiculous penalty in the first leg, a soft, yet correct one in the second leg and Vidal could run around murdering people until the ref had absolutely no choice left but to show him Red?
If anybody wanted to manipulate this tie, he did so in an extremely stupid fashion.
More likely it was Madrids poor finishing that kept Bayern alive yesterday.
I don't think it's a planned conspiracy by the UEFA, at least in recent years. I rather think it's subconscious manipulation of the referee by Spanish teams especially (not only the ref, also the media and the fans in part). It's not even the pure diving and moaning part, the most manipulative is the constant pretending to be seriously hurt.
Players from Barca especially, but also Sevilla, Atletico, and other Spanish teams (not all, i rarely see teams like Bilbao doing it) react like they'd have broken their leg anytime they get touched in the slightest - believe me, i am a footballer myself, and 80% of the fouls where those players roll around and cry like babies you don't even feel during the game. This behavior triggers protection measures on people who watch it - including the ref - and are leading to the ref throwing cards around for every slightest coming together. It was the same case in the first leg from Juventus - Barca, referee throwing cards on Juve for absolutely nothing, if not even fouls from Barcelona (like Sergi Roberto throwing himself into the Juve elbow to trigger a card, which also worked). Me and my buddies watching it were going absolutely mad, despite none of us being a Juve supporter or even sympathizer. Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there who don't understand those psychologic tricks and can't comprehend the manipulative way of those teams. This behavior brought especially Barca and Sevilla a lot of glory in recent years - of course it didn't decide every single tie, i don't want to deny them their footballing class - , but ever so often it is the deciding factor in close ties in favour of Spanish teams, as it was just last round for Barcelona. I was really happy seing the Juve players being so unfazed by their theatricals, i would have gone mad if i'd been on the pitch.
In case of yesterday though, you really can't blame Madrid. The situation where Vidal was sent off, the Real player didn't moan or act in any way, and it's not their fault if the linesman can't spot an offside. It was pure and simple a very bad day for the refs.
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So what do people think happens tonight?
I think Juve will defend. They can prepare and talk about going at them all they want, but just like with PSG, knowing there's a huge lead mentality kicks in and they'll probably close down and defend from the get go.
Barca will use their usual recipe. They will dive, they will crowd the ref, they will not get sent of when Juve breaks and they foul them but I think Juve can score one from a counter attack and go on to lose 3-1 or 4-1 and make it through.
I think Juve will defend. They can prepare and talk about going at them all they want, but just like with PSG, knowing there's a huge lead mentality kicks in and they'll probably close down and defend from the get go.
Barca will use their usual recipe. They will dive, they will crowd the ref, they will not get sent of when Juve breaks and they foul them but I think Juve can score one from a counter attack and go on to lose 3-1 or 4-1 and make it through.
Juve shouldn´t be afraid, I mean, not to pull back the defense. Seeing the defense of Barcelona it would be more profitable to have an active attitude
Barcelona to win the match, Juve to progress.
Some people in here
It matters feck all which team has more chances and is playing better. The only important thing in the end is if you score often enough or not. If you're too fecking stupid to put the ball in the net, you don't deserve to go through just because you missed the goal more often than the other team.
If one team wins because the ref screwed the other one, that team didn't win fairly even though it might have been the better team. Some in here are just too thick to understand that.
The real problem here is not the match yesterday, but that it happens all the time. There is no "it evens itself out over the course of a season" when your season is over after it happens to you.
A competition as important as the CL shouldn't be decided by some useless ref.
It matters feck all which team has more chances and is playing better. The only important thing in the end is if you score often enough or not. If you're too fecking stupid to put the ball in the net, you don't deserve to go through just because you missed the goal more often than the other team.
If one team wins because the ref screwed the other one, that team didn't win fairly even though it might have been the better team. Some in here are just too thick to understand that.
The real problem here is not the match yesterday, but that it happens all the time. There is no "it evens itself out over the course of a season" when your season is over after it happens to you.
A competition as important as the CL shouldn't be decided by some useless ref.
Bayern has a better goalie, nothing to do with luck.
The referee was a Madrid fanboy = clearly luck
I agree, but PSG was probably thinking the same until the game started. I think it's impossible to train the (let's call it) human nature out of the players. There's 3:0 in the bag and if Barca come close to scoring early I think they will all drop behind the ball and defend from then on.
It would be sweet to see Barca come close and then go out on a referee error in the final minutes. Offside goal by Juve to make it 4-1 in the last minute would be nice.
When Kroos, a player known for his technique and passing kept overhitting it. How is that due to Bayern having a better goalie?
Ref was pushing Madrid, no question about it. In fact it seem that all Spanish clubs are getting help from the ref's, albeit Atletico very rarely. Only instance I can remember Atletico being helped is vs. Leicester at home.
Hey I remember you, weren't you the one that is saying Alba is better than Marcelo and Felipe Luiz?
Bizarre thread this, Barca and Bayern fans trying to take the moral high ground.
Add in Robben, Ribery, Alba and Suarez and you've got two teams easily as objectionable as Real.
Last night Bayern just lost to better cheats.
Add in Robben, Ribery, Alba and Suarez and you've got two teams easily as objectionable as Real.
Last night Bayern just lost to better cheats.