Chelsea under Conte | Let's sign the next Hazard, literally.

Zelalem said:
I want this fecker to fail miserably. He's been running his mouth about how cash isn't everything. It's ironic a Chelsea manager would say that. Surely, he knows how Chelsea got here?
And He spent 124m quids for christ sake!
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  • Asked if the title would represent his proudest moment, Conte replied: ‘For sure, for sure. To win in England these days is not easy. We must be proud of our work.
  • ‘We reached this target only through our work, work, work. It’s very important for me and also for the players, to understand that". ‘It’s not always about who spends more money. Otherwise, this season the name of the team would not be Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal or Liverpool.’
  • He considers Manchester United and Manchester City the big spenders and expects them to launch another summer of heavy trading. Conte said: ‘Every season they spend a lot of money. This isn’t the only season the Manchester clubs have spent a lot. It’s right for them to do this, to reinforce their teams, if they think this is the right way to win the title. Every club must decide its own strategy and do what they think is best for their team.
  • ‘It’s important to find the right balance. If you have to spend money, try and spend it in the right way, take players with the right characteristics for your idea of football. We are trying to build something important for the present and to build to become a real power in the future.’
So what the feck was wrong with his comments above? You take some words out of the contex and expect them represent the same meaning?

Also, he has just been in charged for 9 months so he just needs to focus on his current time being here and doesn't have to care about how much money were spent or who were the people spending big in the past. Given the fact that he was not the biggest or second biggest spender last summer also.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Conte been complaining about fixture congestion?
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He made the point that Spurs had a day longer to recover from the semis than Chelsea.
It's fair point and I see it as a bit of a moan too. We know Utd also have had to play with little time between fixtures so just see it as the way it is, live with it.
 
roonster09 said:
Net spend doesn't tell full story without context and putting any time frame is also flawed method as players like Hazard, Cahill, Azpi, Courtois and few others were all signed before 3 years.

There is no doubt ManUtd didn't do well with money spent but what Conte said is wrong. He is deluded if he thinks Chelsea are in the same bracket as Spurs when it comes to money spent. They spent around 120 Million this summer.
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Azpi, Cahill and Courtois we got them so cheap actually. We spent 20M collectively for those three players. Hazard (cost us 32 - 35M) was quite expensive given his age and the market condition at that time but it turned out to bean excellent signing.

At the same time, however, we waste money on Luis, Baba (left back), failed with Torres and probably also Bats last summer.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
  • Asked if the title would represent his proudest moment, Conte replied: ‘For sure, for sure. To win in England these days is not easy. We must be proud of our work.
  • ‘We reached this target only through our work, work, work. It’s very important for me and also for the players, to understand that". ‘It’s not always about who spends more money. Otherwise, this season the name of the team would not be Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal or Liverpool.’
  • He considers Manchester United and Manchester City the big spenders and expects them to launch another summer of heavy trading. Conte said: ‘Every season they spend a lot of money. This isn’t the only season the Manchester clubs have spent a lot. It’s right for them to do this, to reinforce their teams, if they think this is the right way to win the title. Every club must decide its own strategy and do what they think is best for their team.
  • ‘It’s important to find the right balance. If you have to spend money, try and spend it in the right way, take players with the right characteristics for your idea of football. We are trying to build something important for the present and to build to become a real power in the future.’
So what the feck was wrong with his comments above? You take some words out of the contex and expect them represent the same meaning?

Also, he has just been in charged for 9 months so he just needs to focus on his current time being here and doesn't have to care about how much money were spent or who were the people spending big in the past. Given the fact that he was not the biggest or second biggest spender last summer also.
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What an idiot.

Chelsea the biggest, and first, sugar daddy spoon fed club of the PL era :lol:
 
Claude Makélélé said:
  • Asked if the title would represent his proudest moment, Conte replied: ‘For sure, for sure. To win in England these days is not easy. We must be proud of our work.
  • ‘We reached this target only through our work, work, work. It’s very important for me and also for the players, to understand that". ‘It’s not always about who spends more money. Otherwise, this season the name of the team would not be Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal or Liverpool.’
  • He considers Manchester United and Manchester City the big spenders and expects them to launch another summer of heavy trading. Conte said: ‘Every season they spend a lot of money. This isn’t the only season the Manchester clubs have spent a lot. It’s right for them to do this, to reinforce their teams, if they think this is the right way to win the title. Every club must decide its own strategy and do what they think is best for their team.
  • ‘It’s important to find the right balance. If you have to spend money, try and spend it in the right way, take players with the right characteristics for your idea of football. We are trying to build something important for the present and to build to become a real power in the future.’
So what the feck was wrong with his comments above? You take some words out of the contex and expect them represent the same meaning?

Also, he has just been in charged for 9 months so he just needs to focus on his current time being here and doesn't have to care about how much money were spent or who were the people spending big in the past. Given the fact that he was not the biggest or second biggest spender last summer also.
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There is lot of wrong. Putting Chelsea name next to Spurs or even Arsenal/Liverpool who didn't spend much. Chelsea are one of the biggest spenders in the league this season, so he is clearly wrong. Also Chelsea spent more than any club except Madrid in this decade, so taking shots at other clubs spending is not a wise thing to do, especially for a Chelsea manager.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
Azpi, Cahill and Courtois we got them so cheap actually. We spent 20M collectively for those three players. Hazard (cost us 32 - 35M) was quite expensive given his age and the market condition at that time but it turned out to bean excellent signing.

At the same time, however, we waste money on Luis, Baba (left back), failed with Torres and probably also Bats last summer.
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Nothing to do with the point I made. Net transfers without context or putting time frame that suits club is not the right way to judge the money spent.
 
TheReligion said:
What an idiot.

Chelsea the biggest, and first, sugar daddy spoon fed club of the PL era :lol:
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I am replying to a post above related to Conte's comments during the press time before Southampton match this night.

If you want to change the topic then make a new thread then I will discuss about it.

Otherwise, I f@cking don't care about this and your further comments anymore.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
I am replying to a post above related to Conte's comments during the press time before Southampton match this night.

If you want to change the topic then make a new thread then I will discuss about it.

Otherwise, I f@cking don't care about this and your further comments anymore.
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Sorry. I was calling Conte the idiot. Not you.
 
TheReligion said:
Sorry. I was calling Conte the idiot. Not you.
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He doesn't care about that either. He is a manager so after Chelsea he will go to another club, even Liverpool, Arsenal or United if they want him. So he should only focus on his current time being and work best for his current club.

It is also bullsh!t to think he can't not mention about money as an excuse just because the previous managers spent big. Surely this summer he is not going to be the biggest spender too, unless he has to sell Hazard to Madrid.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
He doesn't care about that either. He is a manager so after Chelsea he will go to another club, even Liverpool, Arsenal or United if they want him. So he should only focus on his current time being and work best for his current club.

It is also bullsh!t to think he can't not mention about money as an excuse just because the previous managers spent big. Surely this summer he is not going to be the biggest spender too, unless he has to sell Hazard to Madrid.
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Not his previous manger, Conte also spent big money. He was the third highest spender in the league. So just because 2 Manchester clubs spent big and didn't do well doesn't mean Chelsea didn't spend big money.
 
roonster09 said:
Nothing to do with the point I made. Net transfers without context or putting time frame that suits club is not the right way to judge the money spent.
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That net spend theory probably would be the one I agree with you, given the fact that we got 50M from Oscar transfer to Chinese league. We got lucky with that deal apparently and surely it will reduce our net spend this summer considerly :D
 
TheReligion said:
What an idiot.

Chelsea the biggest, and first, sugar daddy spoon fed club of the PL era :lol:
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I don't really see why Conte has to take the burden of previous managers/administrations.

He's not really saying anything wrong. Conte has been there 1 season, and they didn't spend as much as United or City.
 
roonster09 said:
Not his previous manger, Conte also spent big money. He was the third highest spender in the league. So just because 2 Manchester clubs spent big and didn't do well doesn't mean Chelsea didn't spend big money.
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The whole league is spending big recently. Agree that the spending gap between City and United vs Chelsea is not that hugely big last summer, similar to Chelsea's spending to Arsenal and Liverpool's.

But lets talk frankly, the gap in points (yes in points only - we just lost to United convincingly) between Chelsea and City and United is quite big. So that's probably the point. Not the biggest spender but the gap to the biggest spender is 10+ points so that's why Conte maybe he is thinking money can't solve the full problems here. And I think he is right.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
The whole league is spending big recently. Agree that the spending gap between City and United vs Chelsea is not that hugely big last summer, similar to Chelsea's spending to Arsenal and Liverpool's.

But lets talk frankly, the gap in points (yes in points only - we just lost to United convincingly) between Chelsea and City and United is quite big. So that's probably the point. Not the biggest spender but the gap to the biggest spender is 10+ points so that's why Conte maybe he is thinking money can't solve the full problems here. And I think he is right.
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Money solved the problem for Chelsea when they spent around 120 Million this season, just because Manchester clubs squandered bit of money or under performed doesn't mean Chelsea didn't spend big, which is my point from the beginning. If Poch made the comments then fair enough but Conte making this comments is just laughable.
 
roonster09 said:
Money solved the problem for Chelsea when they spent around 120 Million this season, just because Manchester clubs squandered bit of money or under performed doesn't mean Chelsea didn't spend big, which is my point from the beginning. If Poch made the comments then fair enough but Conte making this comments is just laughable.
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No. I don't think so. Because of that money we spent 55M + on Luiz and Alonso in the deadline day (they are never on our rada before the deadline day) so this call panic buys. There was no guarantee those money would be spent well. Bats - we spent 32M on him but most of us (Chelsea fans) are believing that is the board signing and we are probably going to waste that money anyway. So that's almost 90M in total. The only signing which was certainly made by Conte and before the deadline day was Kante.

So for me, it was Conte who woke up the old players ( Hazard, Costa, Cahill ...) and convinced them not leaving but fighting for him. Then he put the right system that worked ( we failed with back 4 in few beginning games). Plus Kante. That was how the problem solved.

Of course we always need luck in football and we got it because Luis and Alonso turned out to be not the liabilities as people (even some Chelsea fans) thought they would be.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
No. I don't think so. Because of that money we spent 55M + on Luiz and Alonso in the deadline day (they are never on our rada before the deadline day) so this call panic buys. There was no guarantee those money would be spent well. Bats - we spent 32M on him but most of us (Chelsea fans) are believing that is the board signing and we are probably going to waste that money as well. So that's almost 90M in total. The only signing which was certainly made by Conte and before the deadline day was Kante.

So for me, it was Conte who woke up the old players ( Hazard, Costa, Cahill ...) and convinced them not leaving but fighting for him. Then he put the right system that worked ( we failed with back 4 in few beginning games). Plus Kante. That was how the problem solved.

Of course we always need luck in football and we got it because Luis and Alonso turned out to be not the liabilities as people (even some Chelsea fans) thought they would be.
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So Chelsea spent money and you are giving how they spent it. So Kante is Conte's signing but Batshuayi is boards, please excuse me if I don't buy all this.

Conte woke up old players? Costa, Hazard were already class players and they proved it season before. Their problem was Jose, so it's not like Conte did something magical with them.

So Chelsea spent 120 Million and that's how most of the problem was solved.
 
Sigma said:
I don't really see why Conte has to take the burden of previous managers/administrations.

He's not really saying anything wrong. Conte has been there 1 season, and they didn't spend as much as United or City.
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It's a very silly thing to say given he's in charge of a sugar daddy club who have bought their way to success though isn't?

The squad he's inherited wasn't assembled by charitable donations.
 
roonster09 said:
So Chelsea spent money and you are giving how they spent it. So Kante is Conte's signing but Batshuayi is boards, please excuse me if I don't buy all this.

Conte woke up old players? Costa, Hazard were already class players and they proved it season before. Their problem was Jose, so it's not like Conte did something magical with them.

So Chelsea spent 120 Million and that's how most of the problem was solved.
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Kante and Bats issues were already discussed on this thread (or another Conte thread). There is no need to bring it back. And as I said above, Bats cost 32M and we waste it anyway. Only Kante deal worked.

Costa wanted to leave for Atletico, so did Courtois. Matic were also heavily linked for a leave. So the first thing to solve Chelsea problem was to convinced them stay. We can't replace all of them with new players. Conte did it.

Then, there was no guarantee that Hazard will back to his current form also. To be specific, the whole team form - including Hazard's form - were till not good until we changed to the new 3CB system. Also by using that system, we finally see how good Moses is as a player and see Pedro is till not over yet. So that system (13 wins in rows) was the second biggest thing to solve the problem at Chelsea, beside Kante.

Conte did make magical with at least Costa, let alone Moses as I mentioned above. He - with his cool head- was phenomenal at the first half of the season (after the formation changed, of course). Conte solved Chinese transfer issue with him also, as he kept it in dressing room.

So it is probably better to say Chelsea wasted money (on Bats specifically) because it is absolutely not convincing to say Money solved or almost solved Chelsea problem.
 
On one side, it is his usual self-aggrandising, fake low-profile bs ("I am winning against the real powerhouses!"), on the other side it is a clear request to Abramovich for his contract talks ("Give me a looooot of money to me and for the market or the powerhouses will beat us next year!").

The man is very able on the pitch but his mouth precedes him sometimes, too clever by half. Subtle dig after mistimed remark, he usually ends alienating himself in spite of all the exceptional work he does on the pitch. The good part is he will leave with a very good foundation in place and Chelsea next manager will reap rewards, same as Allegri at Juve and Ventura at Italy NT.

He is cut made for Inter now, really, so let's see how the talks with Abramovich go on: with a double in the bag, it is safe to assume he will have what he wants for his second year at Chelsea.
 
Claude Makélélé said:
Kante and Bats issues were already discussed on this thread (or another Conte thread). There is no need to bring it back. And as I said above, Bats cost 32M and we waste it anyway. Only Kante deal worked.

Costa wanted to leave for Atletico, so did Courtois. Matic were also heavily linked for a leave. So the first thing to solve Chelsea problem was to convinced them stay. We can't replace all of them with new players. Conte did it.

Then, there was no guarantee that Hazard will back to his current form also. To be specific, the whole team form - including Hazard's form - were till not good until we changed to the new 3CB system. Also by using that system, we finally see how good Moses is as a player and see Pedro is till not over yet. So that system (13 wins in rows) was the second biggest thing to solve the problem at Chelsea, beside Kante.

Conte did make magical with at least Costa, let alone Moses as I mentioned above. He - with his cool head- was hhenomenal at the first half of the season (after the formation changed, of course). Conte solved Chinese transfer issue with him also, as he kept it in dressing room.

So it is probably better to say Chelsea wasted money (on Bats specifically) because it is absolutely not convincing to say Money solved or almost solved Chelsea problem.
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Luiz, Alonso, Kante were signed who are all first team players who played almost every min. So whatever excuses you are giving, it was money that solved the problem. Credit to Conte for getting the system right but his system is nothing without players and the players he signed spending big money.

When was the last time Chelsea lost players they wanted to retain? You are overplaying Conte's hand way too much.
 
roonster09 said:
Luiz, Alonso, Kante were signed who are all first team players who played almost every min. So whatever excuses you are giving, it was money that solved the problem. Credit to Conte for getting the system right but his system is nothing without players and the players he signed spending big money.

When was the last time Chelsea lost players they wanted to retain? You are overplaying Conte's hand way too much.
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So that's your opinion. I respect it. I have given my reasons and I firmly keep my opinion same. Just no way to engage to an endless discussion and stopping it is good for both of us.

TheReligion said:
It's a very silly thing to say given he's in charge of a sugar daddy club who have bought their way to success though isn't?

The squad he's inherited wasn't assembled by charitable donations.
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If you ask him that "don't you know Chelsea was the club spend heavily in the past?". He will answer:

- Yes, it is true. We used to spend big. We used to do it in the past. But at the moment we can't spend more than City and United anymore. They are financially better than us in the market. So we have to chose the right players for our team and our system.

I think that is easy question for him to answer, and he is right if he say that. As mentioned above, he actually said United and City are right to spend the money also.

And if he is going to say:
- yes, in the past it used to be our strategy that we spent big money to get success.

If he is going to answer that question like that - then not him but Jose would be one of the people who would certainly get some angry.

Conte has that question easy to answer, again.
 
He should have just said “Im winning with a team that failed miserably last season”


Because that would be true.


But as manager of Chelsea its probably best to leave anything about money spent off the table
 
So many discussions between Utd and Chelsea fans head off in the sugar daddy/legitimate money direction. Chelsea are trying to generate a higher income by building a bigger stadium but hit serious planning issues. It not easy building a big stadium in central London on top of 2 different railway lines. They have also complied with FFP, unlike City.

Chelsea signings haven't been bankrolled by Roman Abramovich for some time now and they have made significant funds by trading in the transfer market.

I think it's wrong to say Conte hasn't had a significant impact on the team. His change in set up during the Arsenal game was a clear tactical manoeuvre that changed Chelsea's season and he quite rightly is being applauded for this.
 
Bepi said:
On one side, it is his usual self-aggrandising, fake low-profile bs ("I am winning against the real powerhouses!"), on the other side it is a clear request to Abramovich for his contract talks ("Give me a looooot of money to me and for the market or the powerhouses will beat us next year!").

The man is very able on the pitch but his mouth precedes him sometimes, too clever by half. Subtle dig after mistimed remark, he usually ends alienating himself in spite of all the exceptional work he does on the pitch. The good part is he will leave with a very good foundation in place and Chelsea next manager will reap rewards, same as Allegri at Juve and Ventura at Italy NT.

He is cut made for Inter now, really, so let's see how the talks with Abramovich go on: with a double in the bag, it is safe to assume he will have what he wants for his second year at Chelsea.
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Will he though? He's just using the foundation in place left by Mourinho currently, the spine of the team is at a decent age with their best players being between 25-27. I get the feeling he's reaping the rewards of his predecessor to be honest.
 
AltiUn said:
Will he though? He's just using the foundation in place left by Mourinho currently, the spine of the team is at a decent age with their best players being between 25-27. I get the feeling he's reaping the rewards of his predecessor to be honest.
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That's right, he was not starting from scratch for sure.
 
Dumb comments and if we're going to get into transfer dealings Jose has also recouped money in the January window throught the sales of Depay and Schneiderlin and got a major wage earner off the books with Schweinsteiger. He's also likely to get another major earner off this summer in Rooney. He has spent money, but his transfer strategy has improved the side tangibly and he's also improved the value of most of the players he inherited were he to look to move them on this summer.

Conte should really just not talk about spending money given that Chelsea spent a very sizable amount of money last summer and have been lucky to balance their books with Oscar getting his head turned by Chinese money. Chelsea as a club have also been major spenders over the years even before United and City stepped up their spending in the transfer market.
 
Yes surprising indicating they recoup all their money spent on sales. Some budgeting!
 
AR87 said:
Dumb comments and if we're going to get into transfer dealings Jose has also recouped money in the January window throught the sales of Depay and Schneiderlin and got a major wage earner off the books with Schweinsteiger. He's also likely to get another major earner off this summer in Rooney. He has spent money, but his transfer strategy has improved the side tangibly and he's also improved the value of most of the players he inherited were he to look to move them on this summer.

Conte should really just not talk about spending money given that Chelsea spent a very sizable amount of money last summer and have been lucky to balance their books with Oscar getting his head turned by Chinese money. Chelsea as a club have also been major spenders over the years even before United and City stepped up their spending in the transfer market.
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Jose is one of the biggest chequebook managers around too though, to be fair.
 
AR87 said:
He's not chatting shite about other spending money though either. Conte wasn't exactly tight with the purse strings last summer.
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Mourinho was talking about other clubs spending lots of money and not respecting FFP number of times during his last stint at CFC. I think he meant City and PSG.

Of course, he's not going to do it now. United have basically bought themselves a new squad in the last three years.
 
Anyone else see a big disconnect between in-game, passionate Conte and the tame, soft-spoken post-match interview Conte? Post-match Conte looks like such a calm, soft-spoken man whereas in-game Conte looks like a lion.
 
leontas said:
Anyone else see a big disconnect between in-game, passionate Conte and the tame, soft-spoken post-match interview Conte? Post-match Conte looks like such a calm, soft-spoken man whereas in-game Conte looks like a lion.
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Most of the time, for most Footballers, Coaches and athletes in general it is a switch you can turn on and off.
 
Conte is simply stirring the pot, knowing that there is pressure on both Manchester teams this week. You would hope. As his facts are more than a bit off.

City spent $201m on 6 first string players. ($33.5m ave). Received $35.35m. Net spend = $165m
United spent $185m on 4 first string players. ($46.25m ave) Received $47m. Net spend = $138m
Chelsea spent $133m on 4 first string players. ($33.25m ave) Received $108m. Net spend = $25m
Arsenal spent $109m on 4 first string players. ($27.25m ave) Received $10.35m. Net spend = $99m
Spurs spent $82m on 4 first string players. ($20.5m ave) Received $52.3m. Net spend = $29.7m
Liverpool spent $80m on 5 first string players. ($16m ave) Received $85m. Net received = $5m
(source: transfermarkt)

Conte is very lucky for receiving $60m for Oscar. Third most in spending. Arsenal spent lots too.

Watch Conte spend lots to cope with Champions League.
 
The Outsider said:
He made the point that Spurs had a day longer to recover from the semis than Chelsea.
It's fair point and I see it as a bit of a moan too. We know Utd also have had to play with little time between fixtures so just see it as the way it is, live with it.
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Not different than anything Klopp, Mourinho, Wenger said about bad schedule over the season (Christmas New Year fixture where Chelsea has the best schedule. Our schedule between EL games...). Mourinho especially got sticks for his call FA out for bad scheduling. That's the point the other poster was trying to make
 
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AR87 said:
Dumb comments and if we're going to get into transfer dealings Jose has also recouped money in the January window throught the sales of Depay and Schneiderlin and got a major wage earner off the books with Schweinsteiger. He's also likely to get another major earner off this summer in Rooney. He has spent money, but his transfer strategy has improved the side tangibly and he's also improved the value of most of the players he inherited were he to look to move them on this summer.

Conte should really just not talk about spending money given that Chelsea spent a very sizable amount of money last summer and have been lucky to balance their books with Oscar getting his head turned by Chinese money. Chelsea as a club have also been major spenders over the years even before United and City stepped up their spending in the transfer market.
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Zelalem said:
He said, "I think this season it's very important to understand that it's not always about who spends more money who wins,"
You can see the rest here.
http://m.espn.com/soccer/story?storyId=3111783&top&wjb=
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Read the actual article and decipher the story without taking the headline into account. You really think he's berating teams that spend lots of money? Come on. He's simply stating a fact that it's not about how much money you spend, it's essentially about how smart you spend it. Media have spun it into a sensationalist headline.
 
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Kentonio said:
I think Jose is probably the best tactician in football to be honest. The reason he has such an incredible record isn't man management, it's because he obsessively studies the game and his opponents and devises tactical solutions to counter their strengths. Guardiola is basically the anti-Jose, trusting that his own strategy will be too strong for others to beat.
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He used to be, not anymore though. He's obviously still one of the best but to say he's the best tactician when there are so many top managers about is absurd. In fact, there isn't really a number one manager in the world at the moment.

Also, most top managers obsessively study the game and devise tactical solutions... Whether it being tweaking their system/philosophy, or like Jose - who doesn't really have a rigid philosophy that he sticks by - one to counter their strengths.
 
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The Outsider said:
He made the point that Spurs had a day longer to recover from the semis than Chelsea.
It's fair point and I see it as a bit of a moan too. We know Utd also have had to play with little time between fixtures so just see it as the way it is, live with it.
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I don't see it as a moan at all. Watch the presser and take the whole story in. He said that one of his reasons for resting Hazard and Costa was because we have a game shortly. His point with Spurs was that they could afford to play their best 11 quite easily as they have a day extra to recover.
 
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