You laugh like we all have this feeling. Why don't you check the post match thread of the City game to see what the majority of fans have said about our performance, rather than arguing with a select couple in here and labelling the entirety of our fan base because of that.I love how bus parking is being considered as genius. Utd fans and Jose are truly deserving of each other.
Top 4 race 2016/17
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I think the Hull embarassment could haunt Liverpool on Monday. Watford will have had 8 days to stew over it and could be motivated to put that right in front of their own fans.
That's motivation that wasn't there for them a week ago
It was just a reaction. You're right, of course.
I love how bus parking is being considered as genius. Utd fans and Jose are truly deserving of each other.
Haha.
Liverpool fans still bitter about Jose parking the fecking Boeing 777 at Anfield in the slippy game.
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It's not hard to understand why Liverpool fans might be embittered about bus parking given that it's the very tactic that denied them their first title in over 2 decades. Orchestrated by Mourinho no less. Then they watched Chelsea go on to the win the very title they've coveted for so long, by parking bus in the the second half of the season. They're not wumming, they're genuinely frustrated.
The irony is that if they had Mourinho themselves and were doing the same, they'd be loving every minute of it. That's exactly what such a tactic is designed to do, frustrate the opposition on the pitch (and incidentally does the same off it too).
It was fine with the Liverpool faithful when Benitez was doing plenty of it.
I'm hoping that same motivation is there for us considering the defeat to Palace next week.
You clearly are in denial and trying to rewrite my comments .. the original is here to refresh your memory so I have no need to qualify it now since I qualified it from the start. It's OK I understand senility and can sympathise. https://www.redcafe.net/threads/top-4-race-2016-17.421932/page-125#post-20805346
How you interpret my comment is your issue not mine, I've clearly stated that no matter what work is done pre-match once the match starts players can and do feck it all up and other factors come into play, so that at those times managers have limited ability, in very limited time, to correct it. So no matter how much of a genius you personally think Jose is there is still a match to be played and my point about not being on the field refers to the comments I've just made. And Spurs are still holding all the cards for that match.
AXVnee7 : I'm not ignoring your more eloquent post on the same subject as Kentonio. I just feel I've covered it. You clearly feel that a manager can affect a match in progress far more than I do (I've already made the exception of tactical changes at HT and substitutions) since often a match already has a flow that is difficult to alter and asking players (some of whom are not in possession of too many little grey cells) to adjust to new tactical demands at that stage may or may not work. Of course there are plenty of examples of positive changes but also many matches that continue their flow unabated to the obvious conclusion.
It's naturally impossible to say with any degree of certainty how much difference a manager can make in-game, so this is just a matter of opinion.
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Actually I would agree that outside of subs and HT talks, the manager only has a limited capacity to influence the game. Hence my use of 'subtly'. However, the point I was really trying to make is that it's an underestimation to assume our capacity to defend is down to Mourinho, and not giving enough credit to the players who've put in some hard shifts and kept cleans sheets against some of the League's best offences accordingly. I think there is an issue of two separate debates arising. One is about the influence the manager can have during the game, and the other is in relation to the Spurs match. For the latter, one has to consider events before the game can have a huge impact on the outcome, just as much as the events that transpire during the game too. Both have to be weighed in and considered.
Now of course, even if Jose theoretically gets his tactics spot on and prepares everything with perfection then it's still up to the players to execute. If we mess it up on the day, more likely than not we will be punished and lose that game. But there's a lot to be said for the way we set up and the personnel that we employ that can give us the best chance of at least coming away with a point. But who knows what will happen? There's still a lot football to played in between, and even then anything can happen on the day. The point myself and others are trying to make is that whilst Jose can only do so much once the games started, his influence in setting up the team can be the difference and has been on occasions. In other words, having Jose in our corner will more than likely (given his record) be beneficial. Of course he could get the tactics completely wrong, or as mentioned previously the players may fail to perform. Though, so could the same happen to Spurs.
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I don't disagree with any of that at all.
My whole initial premise (that some posters took issue with) was that once a match starts any manager, including Jose, has limited room to manoeuvre and change the course of the game. That's on the players either to execute those tactics or, as often happens, individual moments of brilliance or errors set the tone and maybe the result of the match. Hence my 'Jose is not on the field' teaser.
I love how bus parking is being considered as genius. Utd fans and Jose are truly deserving of each other.
Our entire spine was ripped out, Rojo, Pogba & Ibra. Our 3 best players this season alongside Valencia.
Jose was spot on going for the draw, it keeps City within reach and we now have the chance to jump above Liverpool into the top 4 with our game in hand.
It was smart considering the circumstances, denying that is fecking idiotic.
Well, you are the one who is acting childish. Saying the same thing again and again and trying to take subtle (read lame) digs and trying to rile up our fans for no reason. If you want to take subtle digs do it on the Liverpool forum and you won't even need to be subtle there. Please read this post by @Regulus Arcturus Black first before arguing again and again.
This is what you said :
You say you have seen more of United than half of the people here, did you watch the match against Chelsea by any chance? We had Rojo who didn't let Costa play to his strengths, we had Pogba who didn't let Kante play his game, Rashford didn't get fouled constantly by the Chelsea players like the City players did to him and if he was older and experienced he would know how to deal with physical players. And Martial, who has been in poor form wasn't playing. You want to debate about the tactics and performance then let us debate, Jose can't use the same tactics with different players who have different skill sets, Fellaini can't play like Pogba and Blind can't play like Rojo. Blind might have played well in that match. If you really think our midfield was good enough against City, then you haven't been watching United as much as "half" the people here. Pogba has played most of the matches till now so he knows his role, a role which can't be fulfilled by any of our midfielders because their skills aren't same as Pogba's skills.
Now I will talk (not debate/argue) about performances. Mkhi played badly, Martial played badly, that's like 2 more players missing. So basically we had 5 key players missing on the pitch. There's a difference between parking the bus and using a counter-attack strategy, a strategy which failed I agree. Again Jose was forced to use that tactic because of key players missing and United have played more matches than City, so our players will be less fresh compared to City players. You are entitled to discuss here not take slight digs at United as you are a Liverpool fan. If you still think we are giving excuses then it's your opinion and you can stick to your opinion, however deluded that opinion might be, it is your opinion.
We should rename this thread as Rafateria's excuses. Once I said, knowing Klopp, second part of the season would not be that great. C'mon Liverpool, lose the game tomorrow!
Come on dude those are facts not excuses, the only people giving excuses here are United fans. United fans are so deluded I can't believe it.
SARCASM
I kinda wish i could have read treble_winning's attempts at defending Jose's tactics Thursday. gutted 
Dude, go wobble your head, take a long piss down memory lane, then come back here and apologize to us for taking digs at our fanbase on a United forum.
Yawn.
Bitter scouser still mad at the special one for costing Liverpool the title, I see? Yeah okay keep telling yourself that all Jose does is 'park the bus' and ignore the fact that he's just a world class manager. It's no coincidence that his style of play has won him multiple league titles around the world and European Cups. Also, no coincidence that he has an outstanding record in cup finals while your 'normal' manager has a shockingly bad record. Delusional fanbase to go along with a delusional club. Truly deserving of each other...I love how bus parking is being considered as genius. Utd fans and Jose are truly deserving of each other.
I love how bus parking is being considered as genius. Utd fans and Jose are truly deserving of each other.
Big game for United and City against relegation candidates tonight.
So it's ok to rely on Mane but embarrassing to rely on Pogba.
The top 6 I think will finish as:
Chelsea
Spurs
City
Arsenal
Liverpool
United
Chelsea
Spurs
City
Arsenal
Liverpool
United
Arsenals next two games are against Spurs and United. If they aren't out of the race after those two games they got a decent chance.
Don't you all do the same with us Liverpool fans? :P
It's a crappy tactic but Jose has a record of making it work (probably via a combination of luck & judgement). What else is there to say?
Jose is Tony Pulis or Bobby Gould (take ypur pic) with a cheque book.
Spot on. I just don't get the negativity over this result. Great European teams have been doing it for years where appropriate and Thursday night was an appropriate occasion for us to shut up shop and accept a draw as a fantastic result. It denied City pulling away and it kept our fate in our own hands. What's not to like about that ?
I honestly think some idiots would rather we participated in a great game of football and lost 5-4.
It's Arsenal. They are already out of the race.
Haha, I would rather say the opposite, they are Arsenal, don't count them out of top 4. I do believe they won't get it this year though.
And, you know, trophies
While Klopp is Roberto Martinez with more hair.
Wind your neck in. Thanks for the err contribution.
Read the whole sentence - I know that's maybe difficult for you but you even quoted the whole thing. I also didn't say our whole attack had broken down because of one player - which was the gist (re. your midfield) of the other posters fawning over Pogba.
How ignorant to the actual way this sport plays out in the real world. This genuinely shows a mass amount of misunderstanding of the game.
You again. 241 posts and already an embarrassment to the Mains. The Mods told me to put you on ignore - I should have listened. I will now.
You're an absolute fool @Rafateria if you can't see just how reliant your side is on Mane, I mean, what are the stats since the 1st Jan with or without him in the side?
I'd go as far as saying Liverpool are the side that rely more on one player than any other in the league. It's a fecking abomination.
It was 100% absolutely a smart play from Mourinho. A draw keeps Top Four in our own hands. It wasn't a bad result for City either.
The only side that draw was a poor result for was Liverpool. It kept the destiny of Top Four out of their control.
Mourinho is a master of knowing what he needs from specific matches.
Would you like to add our other injuries to those of Mane before quoting stats ? Though not. He's our top scorer and made the PFA team of the season so it's impossible to say we don't miss him but reliant on him is something else. The raft of injuries has a lot more to do with our inconsistency than one man and you have to be an absolute fool to deny that.