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[Kentonio]

That would also be France that has forsaken 10% of its population for decades for its labour laws, that has a chronic unemployment problem, that has one of the highest food bank reliant populations in Europe and that has has the largest far right movement in Western Europe, no doubt aided by the poverty suffered by the 10%.

Food bank usage is higher in the U.K. As for the 10% unemployment, yeah that's bad. I wonder what the real figure is in the U.K. though when you remove people who have given up looking for work, and people whose 'employment' is a few low paid hours here and there to help keep food on the table.

The difference over here is that the 90% aren't also being fecked over by big money, something you appear to think is good? Corporations are making record profits in the billions, but over and over we're told that small pay rises, or job security would be an unbearable burden that would cause economic collapse. Bollocks. People are being taken for absolute mugs, and when you can look around Europe and see examples of countries doing things better, then it's nothing more than obtuseness to insist things have to be like this.

 

[Stanley Road]

Food bank usage is higher in the U.K. As for the 10% unemployment, yeah that's bad. I wonder what the real figure is in the U.K. though when you remove people who have given up looking for work, and people whose 'employment' is a few low paid hours here and there to help keep food on the table.

The difference over here is that the 90% aren't also being fecked over by big money, something you appear to think is good? Corporations are making record profits in the billions, but over and over we're told that small pay rises, or job security would be an unbearable burden that would cause economic collapse. Bollocks. People are being taken for absolute mugs, and when you can look around Europe and see examples of countries doing things better, then it's nothing more than obtuseness to insist things have to be like this.

You really think these things dont exist in europe? Big corps get away with no tax in holland. Where is this utopia of yours? The things we do have that are better are paod for by hige taxes, again something brits dont want

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Food bank usage is higher in the U.K. As for the 10% unemployment, yeah that's bad. I wonder what the real figure is in the U.K. though when you remove people who have given up looking for work, and people whose 'employment' is a few low paid hours here and there to help keep food on the table.

The difference over here is that the 90% aren't also being fecked over by big money, something you appear to think is good? Corporations are making record profits in the billions, but over and over we're told that small pay rises, or job security would be an unbearable burden that would cause economic collapse. Bollocks. People are being taken for absolute mugs, and when you can look around Europe and see examples of countries doing things better, then it's nothing more than obtuseness to insist things have to be like this.

If France is doing so much better then why does London have the 6th largest French population of any City in the world (including French cities!)? The demographics are young people looking for work and opportunities. The proof is in the pudding.

The UK is far from perfect but it is reasonable to argue that France is in a worse state economically and socially. France has the largest far right movement in Western Europe and the largest ISIS presence in the Western world. This is becuase of the alienating effect French society has on its minorites, it is a prime recruiting ground.

 

[NinjaFletch]

If France is doing so much better then why does London have the 6th largest French population of any City in the world (including French cities!)? The demographics are young people looking for work and opportunities. The proof is in the pudding.

The UK is far from perfect but it is reasonable to argue that France is in a worse state economically and socially. France has the largest far right movement in Western Europe and the largest ISIS presence in the Western world. This is becuase of the alienating effect French society has on its minorites, it is a prime recruiting ground.

You could make the exact same argument for the whole of the UK as well, mind.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

You could make the exact same argument for the whole of the UK as well, mind.

How do you mean?

 

[NinjaFletch]

How do you mean?

That many areas of the UK are doing just as badly and that young people move to London for work and opportunities.

 

[JPRouve]

If France is doing so much better then why does London have the 6th largest French population of any City in the world (including French cities!)? The demographics are young people looking for work and opportunities. The proof is in the pudding.

The UK is far from perfect but it is reasonable to argue that France is in a worse state economically and socially. France has the largest far right movement in Western Europe and the largest ISIS presence in the Western world. This is becuase of the alienating effect French society has on its minorites, it is a prime recruiting ground.

Honestly both sides are tiring. Neither countries are doing particularly well, neither are exploiting their potential properly and neither is really better than the other.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

That many areas of the UK are doing just as badly and that young people move to London for work and opportunities.

Do you have any data?

I know is the 30-35 category the phenomenon is that people are increasingly leaving London for places like Birmingham and Manchester etc.

@JPRouve

I agree.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Do you have any data?

I know is the 30-35 category the phenomenon is that people are increasingly leaving London for places like Birmingham and Manchester etc.

@JPRouve

I agree.

Increasingly because they're being priced out of the housing market rather than because of a wealth of opportunities outside London.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Increasingly because they're being priced out of the housing market rather than because of a wealth of opportunities outside London.

I realise that but I'm curious on the data of young people heading London purely for economic reasons rather than a desire to make it there because it's London.

 

[Kentonio]

If France is doing so much better then why does London have the 6th largest French population of any City in the world (including French cities!)? The demographics are young people looking for work and opportunities. The proof is in the pudding.

You can go to London, live in a shitty, tiny apartment, make a ton of money and have lots of fun, and then leave with what you've saved to have a better life elsewhere. That's a big reason why people move to London from countries like France. That and London being a great multicultural melting pot of people and ideas, something that Brexit spat in the face of.

The UK is far from perfect but it is reasonable to argue that France is in a worse state economically and socially. France has the largest far right movement in Western Europe and the largest ISIS presence in the Western world. This is becuase of the alienating effect French society has on its minorites, it is a prime recruiting ground.

After the referendum France overtook Britain in the GDP tables. If you think France is in any way in a worse socially, I can only assume you haven't spent any time in France. They certainly have problems, but compared to Britain its a peaceful, prosperous, happy country to be in.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

You can go to London, live in a shitty, tiny apartment, make a ton of money and have lots of fun, and then leave with what you've saved to have a better life elsewhere. That's a big reason why people move to London from countries like France. That and London being a great multicultural melting pot of people and ideas, something that Brexit spat in the face of.



After the referendum France overtook Britain in the GDP tables. If you think France is in any way in a worse socially, I can only assume you haven't spent any time in France. They certainly have problems, but compared to Britain its a peaceful, prosperous, happy country to be in.

In what way is Britain not peaceful? I can only deduce that you live in cloud cuckoo land over there given the large scale terrorist attacks France has suffered recently.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

That would be France whose workers have strong and well protected working rights and conditions way above Britain. Yes, they have those because they will strike to protect what they have, not just roll over to business and end up working a zero hour contract for a pittance with tiny breaks.

Just making the point that France is in the EU and still has union issues so the suggested improvement in the UK's industrial relations probably had nothing to do with the EU.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

Nestle shifting some production to Poland. Described as the tip of the iceberg..

http://mobile.foodmanufacture.co.uk...utm_campaign=SocialMedia#.WQI50Gqj4yl.twitter

Hmmm

"
However, a Nestle spokesman denied the proposals were anything to do with Brexit.

He told the BBC: "This move would be necessary irrespective of the decision to leave the EU."

The spokesman added that Blue Riband was one of 16 products made at the Newcastle Fawdon site and was the only one being moved "to simplify production on a very complicated site".

The announcements are proposals and are subject to a 45-day consultation with trade unions and employee representatives.

If the cuts go ahead, they would take place over the next two years.

Nestle currently employs 8,000 people in the UK."

 

[Kentonio]

Just making the point that France is in the EU and still has union issues so the suggested improvement in the UK's industrial relations probably had nothing to do with the EU.

No, they don't have anything to do with the EU. The point is that they're already worse, and with the Great Repeal Bill there's a good chance they're likely to get much worse.

 

[Kentonio]

In what way is Britain not peaceful? I can only deduce that you live in cloud cuckoo land over there given the large scale terrorist attacks France has suffered recently.

The chance of you being effected by a terrorist attack is less than you dying from doing DIY. Its statistically irrelevant. Do you know that the UK has 73% more crimes commited than France? If you look at it as per 1000 people it rises to 80% more. Britain has considerably more violent crime, and over here seeing violence in the streets when the pubs are kicking out is extremely, extremely rare. It's a more civilized, peaceful place to live in general.

 

[Stanley Road]

The chance of you being effected by a terrorist attack is less than you dying from doing DIY. Its statistically irrelevant. Do you know that the UK has 73% more crimes commited than France? If you look at it as per 1000 people it rises to 80% more. Britain has considerably more violent crime, and over here seeing violence in the streets when the pubs are kicking out is extremely, extremely rare. It's a more civilized, peaceful place to live in general.

one thing that I don't miss about the UK is people coming out of pubs and it kicking off everywhere, I haven't seen a pub fight in nearly 20 years here.

 

[JPRouve]

Just making the point that France is in the EU and still has union issues so the suggested improvement in the UK's industrial relations probably had nothing to do with the EU.

What do you mean by union issues?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The chance of you being effected by a terrorist attack is less than you dying from doing DIY. Its statistically irrelevant. Do you know that the UK has 73% more crimes commited than France? If you look at it as per 1000 people it rises to 80% more. Britain has considerably more violent crime, and over here seeing violence in the streets when the pubs are kicking out is extremely, extremely rare. It's a more civilized, peaceful place to live in general.

I'll give you that. The UK does have bad violent crime rates but they are skewed by the way in which the UK police record violent crime as they count a multitude of offences that many other countries don't as violent, including assault without injury and carrying a knife.

There is a definite problem with violence in Cities at weekend most likely to do with how we consume alcohol. Continental folk are more civilised in that regard.

That said, I don't in any way feel that I am living in a war zone or feel threatened.

 

[Kentonio]

I'll give you that. The UK does have bad violent crime rates but they are skewed by the way in which the UK police record violent crime as they count a multitude of offences that many other countries don't as violent, including assault without injury and carrying a knife.

There is a definite problem with violence in Cities at weekend most likely to do with how we consume alcohol. Continental folk are more civilised in that regard.

That said, I don't in any way feel that I am living in a war zone or feel threatened.

Nah, that's perfectly fair. My issue with feeling safe in England is largely down to alcohol but also British teens/young men tend to be more aggressive. In England any kind of even slightly confrontational moment with guys feels like it could kick off, because we have that thing growing up where people can't stand the idea of losing face. In France as long as you smile or act reasonable and don't kick off yourself, the chances of a confrontation turning violent is incredibly small. People aren't out looking for fights and they'd largely much rather just talk it out and walk away content rather than bruised. Obviously there's exceptions, and generalizations are always questionable, but I can walk through the streets of this city in the early hours of the weekend without any concerns for my safety. I don't have the same feeling in England and I never did.

 

[GloryHunter07]

My Girlfriend and I are seriously thinking about leaving Britain in a few years time. The future is bleak.

Ditto. I hope it doesn't come to it but Im thinking about it.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Nah, that's perfectly fair. My issue with feeling safe in England is largely down to alcohol but also British teens/young men tend to be more aggressive. In England any kind of even slightly confrontational moment with guys feels like it could kick off, because we have that thing growing up where people can't stand the idea of losing face. In France as long as you smile or act reasonable and don't kick off yourself, the chances of a confrontation turning violent is incredibly small. People aren't out looking for fights and they'd largely much rather just talk it out and walk away content rather than bruised. Obviously there's exceptions, and generalizations are always questionable, but I can walk through the streets of this city in the early hours of the weekend without any concerns for my safety. I don't have the same feeling in England and I never did.

True, sometimes when I was out in town at the weekends you could almost smell the violence in the air and there inevitably was some, seriously it was always when there was an E drought on and everyone was drunk. I don't go out on the town anymore or drink much so I am not sure what the state of play is these days. I do know that the current generation are being called 'generation sensible' due to their rejection of binge drinking etc so maybe it will get better in years to come.

 

[Kentonio]

True, sometimes when I was out in town at the weekends you could almost smell the violence in the air and there inevitably was some, seriously it was always when there was an E drought on and everyone was drunk. I don't go out on the town anymore or drink much so I am not sure what the state of play is these days. I do know that the current generation are being called 'generation sensible' due to their rejection of binge drinking etc so maybe it will get better in years to come.

Hopefully. I've done plenty of mad binge drinking (including yesterday ), but I never understood the appeal of people beating the shit out of each other. Really hope we can grow out of it as a country.

 

[WackyWengerWorld]

I was talking about the EU, not a common market. Benefit is one perspective, we've paid a huge amount of money for membership of a club, and the UK voted on the basis that they don't think they are getting the value from it's subscription.

boo hoo, taking my ball home....

The EU had it's foundations prior to the Common Market. May is taking us out of the Common Market and The EU.

When mass recession hits it will be apparent Britains economic future should be controlled by economists, not the uninformed masses. The amount of money we paid to the EU is nothing compared to the devaluation of our currency nevermind the inevitable recession.

 

[Chorley1974]

The UK will still need to abide by European legislation with any products or services traded with the EU.

The only real difference is that we no longer have a vote.

Like that fecking mattered

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Like that fecking mattered

Correct - they selected UKIP MEPs whose only interest was to collect their salaries but not bother to turn up for votes

 

[Stanley Road]

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The EU had it's foundations prior to the Common Market. May is taking us out of the Common Market and The EU.

When mass recession hits it will be apparent Britains economic future should be controlled by economists, not the uninformed masses. The amount of money we paid to the EU is nothing compared to the devaluation of our currency nevermind the inevitable recession.

Oh gawd

Let.economists run the world and lets see where we end up.

 

[sullydnl]

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Oh gawd

Let.economists run the world and lets see where we end up.

Not the world, just economics.

 

[Mozza]

The EU had it's foundations prior to the Common Market. May is taking us out of the Common Market and The EU.

When mass recession hits it will be apparent Britains economic future should be controlled by economists, not the uninformed masses. The amount of money we paid to the EU is nothing compared to the devaluation of our currency nevermind the inevitable recession.

You trust economists after the financial crisis?

 

[sullydnl]

You trust economists after the financial crisis?

Without saying something profoundly anti-intellectual, name a group of people you'd trust more than economists when it comes to economics.

 

[Mozza]

Without saying something profoundly anti-intellectual, name a group of people you'd trust more than economists when it comes to economics.

Economists know economics, but economics isn't a science

 

[JPRouve]

You trust economists after the financial crisis?

You don't put the financial crisis on bankers and investors?

 

[Josep Dowling]

Ditto. I hope it doesn't come to it but Im thinking about it.

Really? I am genuinely curious how a vote on being in or out of the EU would affect your thoughts on this country that much.

Political views and opinions are on an ever changing cycle.

Personally the whole episode is merely deflecting public attention away from other issues. Any UK business that has gone under in the last year has used 'Brexit' as an easy excuse for their failings. Since the vote, has it really affected your day to day life?

 

[Mozza]

You don't put the financial crisis on bankers and investors?

I suspect many bankers and investors have an economics background

 

[Stanley Road]

Without saying something profoundly anti-intellectual, name a group of people you'd trust more than economists when it comes to economics.

Gamblers Anonymous

 

[CassiusClaymore]

 

[devilish]

Its seems that the EU doesn't want to give the UK a trade deal or at least its not a priority for them to do so

 

[Stanley Road]

Its becoming evident that the EU doesn't want to give the UK a trade deal or at least its not a priority for them to do so

Probably not, they are too inward looking. Project saving first, common sense later.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

That thread is horrifying.

 

[PedroMendez]

Worth reading his 30 tweets about the meeting