David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Minimalist said:
I have no idea where this 'nice, hard working man' stuff came from. He's been a miserable feck since I've first seen him at Everton.

At United it was magnified for the world to see. He's a complete tosser (and a fecking loser who can't take responsibility, just to make it even worse) and I genuinely can't help but feel baffled by those who try to spin that nonsense even today.
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His mates in the press no doubt. These stories about Moyes being a miserable fecker who doesn't give club staff the time of day have came out at Everton, United and now Sunderland.

He seems well liked by a lot of journalists and they give him very favourable press and have protected him for years so he's obviously talented at networking and befriending people when he want's to be nice. And yet he didn't seem to be very popular with regular joe staff at three football clubs. So he's probably the type of fecker thats only nice to people when he has something to gain from it.
 
Absolute prick and never once came across as a "nice guy" or anything of the sort. I remember when we appointed him my heart absolutely sank but I obviously was willing to give him a chance. What a nightmare he turned out to be.
 
Minimalist said:
I have no idea where this 'nice, hard working man' stuff came from. He's been a miserable feck since I've first seen him at Everton.

At United it was magnified for the world to see. He's a complete tosser (and a fecking loser who can't take responsibility, just to make it even worse) and I genuinely can't help but feel baffled by those who try to spin that nonsense even today.
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As has been stated before, a lot of it from his friends in the media, who can't describe him in any other way without making it obvious they're lying.

He has no redeeming qualities to endear himself to people who observe him (and seemingly to those he works with), not funny or charming or a good talker like so many other managers. In an effort to try and find something to say about him that isn't "Man he is a boring forgettable character" people have gone with the nice hard working description, which you more or less can't quantify, so you can't dispute it. I don't understand being hard working as a compliment. Surely all managers are hard working? I don't see how you can go above and beyond at your job of being a football manager to such an extent that people consistently describe you as hard working. The only explanation is that there's nothing else to say.
 
I'm not Moyes bashing, but imo Sunderland's team was more than good enough to stay up.

Pickford is a good GK, Defoe is still close to his best even now, Watmore has looked good whenever he's played, Januzaj on loan.

The one big blow was losing Kirschof (sp?) But that alone shouldn't have had them relegated by May
 
Donovan_red7 said:
As has been stated before, a lot of it from his friends in the media, who can't describe him in any other way without making it obvious they're lying.

He has no redeeming qualities to endear himself to people who observe him (and seemingly to those he works with), not funny or charming or a good talker like so many other managers. In an effort to try and find something to say about him that isn't "Man he is a boring forgettable character" people have gone with the nice hard working description, which you more or less can't quantify, so you can't dispute it. I don't understand being hard working as a compliment. Surely all managers are hard working? I don't see how you can go above and beyond at your job of being a football manager to such an extent that people consistently describe you as hard working. The only explanation is that there's nothing else to say.
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Well said.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I'm not Moyes bashing, but imo Sunderland's team was more than good enough to stay up.

Pickford is a good GK, Defoe is still close to his best even now, Watmore has looked good whenever he's played, Januzaj on loan.

The one big blow was losing Kirschof (sp?) But that alone shouldn't have had them relegated by May
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It was definitely good enough it shouldn't even be debatable. They stayed up last year, Moyes added £30m+ worth of talent to the squad and they had one of the most prolific strikers in the league. Keeping them up should have been achievable for any decent manager.

Rarely is a premier league team not good enough to stay up unless they've just been promoted or sold all their best players from the previous season.
 
How many players did Moyes sign for Sunderland that he had worked with already?
 
Whatever people say about they were going to get relegated sooner or later, the fact is that they finished the last few seasons in the high 30s and stayed up. He's only managed low 20s and put up no fight whatsoever. One of Swansea and Hull will go down this season, but no one can say they didn't go down without a fight.

Even Middlesbrough haven't been the embarrassment that Sunderland have been. If they had a goal scorer, like Defoe for example, I doubt they'd be in this position at all.
 
El cagrejo said:
You can only really make that judgement if you regularly watch matches from all of those leagues. If you have then fair enough but it seems unlikely that many people do.

Equally, there would be very few people who have heard of many players playing in the second tier of any country other than their own. It's basically just saying "players I've heard of are better than players I haven't".
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there are lots of people here who don't watch the lower divisions, but let's compare with Burnley and Bournemouth, two financially weak EPL teams. On paper, Sunderland has a better squad but Burnley and Bournemouth are outperforming Sunderland by miles. And finishing the season with 20 odd points is a red flag already. QPR and Cardiff went down with more points but haven't returned since.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Absolute prick and never once came across as a "nice guy" or anything of the sort. I remember when we appointed him my heart absolutely sank but I obviously was willing to give him a chance. What a nightmare he turned out to be.
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He's a dour twat who brings dourness onto anyone who entertains his presence

He's so dour, he's angry at himself and the world for just how dour he is... and who can blame him? If you were as inept as he is at your occupation, you'd be a surly bell-end.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
He's a dour twat who brings dourness onto anyone who entertains his presence

He's so dour, he's angry at himself and the world for just how dour he is... and who can blame him? If you were as inept as he is at your occupation, you'd be a surly bell-end.
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Brilliant and so true :lol:
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I'm not Moyes bashing, but imo Sunderland's team was more than good enough to stay up.

Pickford is a good GK, Defoe is still close to his best even now, Watmore has looked good whenever he's played, Januzaj on loan.

The one big blow was losing Kirschof (sp?) But that alone shouldn't have had them relegated by May
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nah they are a bad lot. The team he inherited wasn't good enough and the players he added were poor also. Everyone has to take their share of the blame at that club. Manager, players and the board. I don't even think they win the championship with that team, I really don't. That club really needs to take a long hard look at themselves, because if they don't it could be a few yrs before they see pl again. You'd imagine their only bright spark this season ie Defoe will leave, and possibly even their keeper.To me they need a lot of investment even for the championship.
 
Moyes carefully maintains his public image, at all times.

First thing he does when taking on a new job is to immediately attempt to lower expectations with the fans. The aim? To try and prevent criticism of his reputation.

Next job - get all the media lads on side by inviting them to buddy-buddy up with him and feed them snippits they'll enjoy. The aim? To prevent the papers from damaging his reputation by criticising his performances and results.

Sunderland get relegated, the players stay on the field to face the cameras and fans. Moyes next job - leg it down the tunnel immediately. The aim? To avoid having his face projected around the world on camera as a relegated manager.

At all times, protecting his reputation from criticism.

The man is living, breathing damage control. And it's finally stopped working for him.
 
stevoc said:
Not really though mate, every professional footballer is talented to a certain degree. Premier league players even more so, otherwise anyone could be a footballer.
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Apologies for the attempt at humour, mate.
 
It was the same old spiel that really pissedme off when he was at United.

"We're trying really hard to get things right...."

"We'll give ourselves a chance at competing at the top end of the league"

"Hopefully this......"

"Hopefully that....."

He really must be embarrassed by the amount of apologetic, negative post-match press conferences he's done over the last 4 years!

Surely he must realise it's time for him to feck off for good....or prove himself again in the National League or something.
 
Said it before but I really don't get this hard working persona. He stopped trying to learn Spanish within a few months of being there and first thing he did at United after being appointed was to sod off on holiday. Contrast that with Jose who arrived with his famous folder of players data he'd collected whilst not working.
 
How bad is Sunderlands team in comparison to Hull, Swansea and Boro? I never thought Sunderland had much quality at all but Hull sold two of their best players and least are putting up a fight.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I'm not Moyes bashing, but imo Sunderland's team was more than good enough to stay up.

Pickford is a good GK, Defoe is still close to his best even now, Watmore has looked good whenever he's played, Januzaj on loan.

The one big blow was losing Kirschof (sp?) But that alone shouldn't have had them relegated by May
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You're joking right?

I agree with the first two, Pickford is very good and he's gonna be at the centre of a lot of bidding this summer I think and Defoe is always going to get goals (well, unless he plays for this Sunderland team in the last few months) but everyone else in that team is utter dross and they're all operating on zero confidence too so they're playing even worse.

Januzaj just isn't even remotely good enough and Watmore is absolutely average at best
 
He had the perfect gig at Everton and was in his comfort zone.

Man United failure must have really shocked him and changed him.

He has never recovered from that it's clear to see he carries a chip on his shoulder and it's after crushing him

He's proven once he's out of his comfort zone he's a nothing manager.

Look at his signings he can't identify talent and can only fall back on players he knows who are not good enough.

Man United truly broke him because he wasn't cut out for it and is still living in denial
 
matherto said:
You're joking right?

I agree with the first two, Pickford is very good and he's gonna be at the centre of a lot of bidding this summer I think and Defoe is always going to get goals (well, unless he plays for this Sunderland team in the last few months) but everyone else in that team is utter dross and they're all operating on zero confidence too so they're playing even worse.

Januzaj just isn't even remotely good enough and Watmore is absolutely average at best
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You can't convince me that their team is any worse than some teams that are likely staying up. I think Sunderland had a decent team this season
 
LawCharltonBest said:
You can't convince me that their team is any worse than some teams that are likely staying up. I think Sunderland had a decent team this season
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I think their team is woeful but no more woeful than some of the other sides down there. Given Sam kept them up last season and Moyes spent £30m, they really should have been better off this season but instead they have been rock bottom and completely hopeless for the whole season.
 
He was shite and proof that denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Shockingly out of his depth here at OT.
 
Robbie Boy said:
I think their team is woeful but no more woeful than some of the other sides down there. Given Sam kept them up last season and Moyes spent £30m, they really should have been better off this season but instead they have been rock bottom and completely hopeless for the whole season.
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Exactly, it's not even that bad. Defoe is the best striker for teams around there. Pickford's a good keeper, Koné a very good centre-half (he's had a poor season this season by most accounts, but in the summer he was very highly rated and a decent manager could have built on that). They've also got a lot of players who are solid Premier League players if nothing special. Going into the season it was more than enough to build on.

A manager who wasn't intent on slagging them all off from day one, and who didn't buy so much rubbish (Love, Djiblioiigiiidi, Anichebe etc...) with the limited resources they had would have kept them up fairly easily I think. Their side looks worse than it is because of him, had Allardyce stayed I think they would have been a comfortable 14th or 15th.
 
Robbie Boy said:
I think their team is woeful but no more woeful than some of the other sides down there. Given Sam kept them up last season and Moyes spent £30m, they really should have been better off this season but instead they have been rock bottom and completely hopeless for the whole season.
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30 million quid is peanuts in the PL, Newcastle spent more in the championship. The other problem Moyes had were his signings. 13.6 for Ndong, 8 for Djilobodji, 7.5 to sign Gibson and Oviedo together. 5.5 to sign McNair and Love togther. None of them can be labelled a success. Plus the likes of Jnuzaj and Lescott who came on frees were poor also. I think the board at Sunderland hasn't helped Moyes, but when you have limited funds you need to spend better.
 
poleglass red said:
30 million quid is peanuts in the PL, Newcastle spent more in the championship.
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Maybe, but they still spent more than 6 clubs according to this:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...remier-league-club-spend-on-transfers-in-2016

Spent more than Hull, Burnley, Boro, Swansea.
He basically defeated his group of players a game or two in, and then destroyed those that were coming in January by calling them jabronies.

He can complain about money if he wants, but his job is to be manager. Hes meant to manage what he has and make the best out of it if hes limited, otherwise why hire him? You can hire anybody if the job is to spend copious amounts just to get mid table or similar.

I really do think he was hoping to get sacked hence some of his statements, get that pay off, and then walk away saying he wasnt backed by the club hence why they got relegated.
 
I remember when I got laughed at when I said I'd even prefer Big Sam than Moyes. Obviously I didn't want either, but this goes to show I was probably right with that statement. Moyes is a horrendous manager. The biggest con artist in the game, with the whole British media on his payroll.
 
They're holding talks about his future. Wonder who he will blame if he gets sacked this time
 
poleglass red said:
30 million quid is peanuts in the PL, Newcastle spent more in the championship. The other problem Moyes had were his signings. 13.6 for Ndong, 8 for Djilobodji, 7.5 to sign Gibson and Oviedo together. 5.5 to sign McNair and Love togther. None of them can be labelled a success. Plus the likes of Jnuzaj and Lescott who came on frees were poor also. I think the board at Sunderland hasn't helped Moyes, but when you have limited funds you need to spend better.
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It is twice as much as Real Sociedad spent and just over four times what Celta Viga spent. Transfer values are much lower in La Liga and you would have thought that having spent a year in Spain, Moyes would have been aware of some decent players playing in there that he could have got for a reasonable price.

Instead, he did what he did, he bought who he bought and I hope, gets what he deserves.
 
Sylar said:
Maybe, but they still spent more than 6 clubs according to this:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...remier-league-club-spend-on-transfers-in-2016

Spent more than Hull, Burnley, Boro, Swansea.
He basically defeated his group of players a game or two in, and then destroyed those that were coming in January by calling them jabronies.

He can complain about money if he wants, but his job is to be manager. Hes meant to manage what he has and make the best out of it if hes limited, otherwise why hire him? You can hire anybody if the job is to spend copious amounts just to get mid table or similar.

I really do think he was hoping to get sacked hence some of his statements, get that pay off, and then walk away saying he wasnt backed by the club hence why they got relegated.
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3 of the teams you list Hull, Boro and Swansea are fighting for survival right down to the wire. In fact 2 of them will most probably be relegated. So your examples actually reinforce my point. You want to stay in the pl you need to back your manager. Yes he has to manage and coach what he has, but Sunderland were coming of a bad season. Newcastle spent 45 million in the championship, they will spend more again this summer. I agree Moyes is too negative but 30-35 million to improve a bad team isn't enough. The 3 teams you list, all 3 of them threw one last throw of the dice and brought a new manager in, in 2017. Sunderland board didn't, whose to say a modern manager like Silva or Clement couldn't have turned things around- we don't know but surely worth a try when you consider the money generated by being in pl.
 
poleglass red said:
3 of the teams you list Hull, Boro and Swansea are fighting for survival right down to the wire. In fact 2 of them will most probably be relegated. So your examples actually reinforce my point. You want to stay in the pl you need to back your manager. Yes he has to manage and coach what he has, but Sunderland were coming of a bad season. Newcastle spent 45 million in the championship, they will spend more again this summer. I agree Moyes is too negative but 30-35 million to improve a bad team isn't enough. The 3 teams you list, all 3 of them threw one last throw of the dice and brought a new manager in, in 2017. Sunderland board didn't, whose to say a modern manager like Silva or Clement couldn't have turned things around- we don't know but surely worth a try when you consider the money generated by being in pl.
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It's the fact that they went down without a fight that is so damning against Moyes. Sunderland is a dysfunctional club but, when the manager targets a relegation struggle after 2 games, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Also, while 30m is not a king's ransom, he surely could have cast his net a bit wider than Everton's 2009 team and United rejects.
 
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