As said above its the best second tier league in Europe. Very competitive.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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Villa probably had a bit better squad than Sunderland have now last year, though still poor. Spent a lot of money, & two managers later are mid table in the Championship, so not as easy as you think. The likes of Leeds, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Forest, Wolves etc all say Hi. It is a graveyard of so called big sides.
Jesus, I didn't realise Gibson was there too.
What an insignificant player he turned out to be.
What an insignificant player he turned out to be.
It's really not that bad at all
I've no idea if you can say it's the best 2nd tier in the world. Unless you look at money and amount of supporters each game, then it really would be
But what it is, is an extremely unforgiving and unpredictable league. Fast forward 1 year from now and I would not be shocked to see Sunderland at the very bottom or at the top of the league
Yep look at Villa.
Wigan and Blackburn in recent years. Sunderland can easily fall in that trap. Lots of players who don't wanna be there. Owner who has had enough. Useless manager. It's just a bad combination.
Craig Hope in the mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4458840/David-Moyes-played-blame-game-season.html
At least he's prepared to be critical of Moyes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4458840/David-Moyes-played-blame-game-season.html
At least he's prepared to be critical of Moyes.
You'd think the thread title decided that, but clearly not.
I didn't know he was on a one year contract. Or does the thing about respecting a contract's length only go one way?
Since the others have told you about how competitive the championship is, I will tell you about other reasons why Sunderland should be worried about next season.
Moyes has a close to non-existent scouting network currently. People always say that Man Utd ruined him. I think Everton ruined him.
He had a very small, but very stable squad at Everton. He never had to achieve much. As long as he finished in the top half of the league, his job would be considered safe. He was never competitive in Europe, and finishing anything higher than a 5th or a 6th place was considered a bonus. He never had to make an overhaul to the squad. If one guy left, he only had to buy another guy to replace him. He did not have to scout or experiment much, So he became really complacent and lazy and stopped improving his squad.
When he came to United, he pretty much did not know who to buy except for Bale and Ronaldo. He got Felliani in, who many considered as a panic buy. The other person he was interested was Leighton Baines, and there were many left backs who were better than Baines and much younger than Patrice Evra at that time.
Even now at Sunderland, he did not who to buy, except for his former Everton and Manchester United players. The number of players who were part of his team is going to run out soon. For instance, if he intends to replace Pickford if he leaves, he cannot look at his Everton or Manchester United teams anymore, like Tim Howard, because there are not many left whom he can buy and many are too old. Moreover, there are not many players who will want to follow him to the championship. Guys like Fletcher and Coleman will not want to move a division down. He can only look for the ready-to-retire players like Jagielka. So, who is he going to buy to bolster the Sunderland squad, especially when he is going to lose around 10 to 11 players after the relegation?
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The guy is a fraud. I'm not even a United fan and I cant stand him because I can see right through all his bull
He's always used a tactic of being really friendly to the press, he invites them to training sessions etc. That's where the 'good man' narrative came from.
He may never get another PL job again unless a team is desperate and have no alternative.
Leaving Everton was the worst thing he ever did
He hasn't i think his problem is the game has moved on and he hasn't adapted to it. He's still using the same methods that worked well at Everton over a decade ago.
Fair enough mate fair play to you for still backing him. But weren't you also optimistic a few months back that he would turn Sunderland around and keep them up?
It's harder to get up here than staying up here.
Many lesser team can pull the trick surviving premier-league, but if they go down... It'll be very hard to come up.
We haven't had the same team in a long time, most promoted teams arent here last season meaning those relegated last season failed to get back.
They have a big name down there, the likes of Newcastle, blackburn, and many others with even bigger stadium and actual trophy in their history list aren't even a sure bet for promotion.
Lets not forget that the team sunderland fails to compete with isn't united/arsenal/chelsea but hull/swansea/Boro.
It's a tough hell hole to be at
He's a fecking cretinous creature.
I've just had a flashback to them celebrating City winning the league and them mocking us. Including the flashing of the scoreboard when Aguero scored, so with that said, have that you utter cnuts
Yeah. Been wrong about a few things so far. Him and Januzaj but I am gonna wait it out a bit more to see what happens. In both cases though I can't blame anyone for what happens to them and they deserve whatever is coming.
There is something fundamentally wrong when someone is a repeated failure, sacked from multiple consecutive positions for being utterly and totally shit and is rewarded with millions of Ponds for his complete lack of ability
People scoff at the Mail but Craig Hope has strongly criticised Moyes two days running.
Football is broken is many ways, this is just one of them.
Yeah theres one or two Journos who don't have Moyes tongue stuck up their ass.
Not that it's even relevant to the conversation but what evidence is there for it being the "best second tier league in Europe"? It's the most popular but how can one quantify if it's any better than Serie B, Bundesliga 2. or the Segunda División in terms of quality.
Being a "big side" is irrelevant to what I'm saying though. Is Sunderland's current squad better than most if not all squads in the Championship? Clearly it is.
The right manager would have no problem getting this squad up, nor would they with the relegated Villa side. It's an irrelevant discussion as very rarely do these squads stay together after relegation but to say they're average by Championship squad standards suggests that people haven't seen many Championship squads.
The quality of players, it's noticeably better.
You can only really make that judgement if you regularly watch matches from all of those leagues. If you have then fair enough but it seems unlikely that many people do.
Equally, there would be very few people who have heard of many players playing in the second tier of any country other than their own. It's basically just saying "players I've heard of are better than players I haven't".
Equally, there would be very few people who have heard of many players playing in the second tier of any country other than their own. It's basically just saying "players I've heard of are better than players I haven't".
That was a brilliant read, I love seeing this guy suffer.
Interesting that the article touches on staff not caring for his 'demeanour'... really not as 'nice' as he made himself to be. I recall reading similar from staff at United.
I have no idea where this 'nice, hard working man' stuff came from. He's been a miserable feck since I've first seen him at Everton.
At United it was magnified for the world to see. He's a complete tosser (and a fecking loser who can't take responsibility, just to make it even worse) and I genuinely can't help but feel baffled by those who try to spin that nonsense even today.
And Everton.
My favourite little line about Moyes came from Louise Taylor in The Guardian, referring to his 'carefully burnished reputation'.
Repeated endlessly in the media and some fans just ate it up. I admit I never thought much of him at Everton, was just indifferent to him. /however, it was pretty clear early on at United that he was far from being 'Mr Nice Guy'. LVG had his faults, but by all accounts, he treated the staff at Carrington and OT with respect. The players may not have been crazy about him, but the staff at least never had a bad word to say about him
That's precisely what it was.. shame on those journalists that went along with this. Being insulated from criticism hasn't actually helped the guy at all. If you never see you're doing anything wrong, then you won't be pushed to improve.
All in all, it's back fired on him imo.
My mate was sat across from him on a train to London this afternoon. He said a women came up to him and said 'excuse me, this is my seat'. Even gets relegated on the fecking train
hope she didn't get a slapMy mate was sat across from him on a train to London this afternoon. He said a women came up to him and said 'excuse me, this is my seat'. Even gets relegated on the fecking train
My mate was sat across from him on a train to London this afternoon. He said a women came up to him and said 'excuse me, this is my seat'. Even gets relegated on the fecking train
Still can't believe 4 years on this clown was appointed United manager.
Even worse than people believing that Lazio player was 17!
Even worse than people believing that Lazio player was 17!