David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

He'll be very lucky to get another Premier League job - provided he doesn't bring Sunderland back up. Clubs are looking for something that bit more modern. Silva at a club like Hull being an example.

And unlike Big Sam or Tony Pulis, Moyes doesn't have a reputation for saving struggling sides.
 
He is a dinosaur and got found out. If he stayed at Everton, they would have sacked him at one point is my guess, since they stagnated a bit in the end and the league is getting more and more competitive with Everton wanting more.

You just need to look at his transfers since leaving Everton. Some are still deluded
 
stevoc said:
A manager is only as good as his last job until he proves otherwise. In Moyes case hes only as good as his last three jobs where he has been backed financially in each one with substantial funds and yet failed miserably each time.

At this point he would have to do something spectacular to rebuild his reputation. He's done i reckon, wouldn't surprise me if he slinks off from sunderland in the sumer and leaves them in the lurch. Spineless mope that he is.
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I agree which is why I thin he is not owed anything right now and no one's gonna complain if he gets sacked but I'm making a prediction that he will bounce back to a level that he's comfortable at (mid table premier league).

Besides, he'd just have to promote with Sunderland which isn't too miraculous of a deal one would think.
 
shamans said:
Besides, he'd just have to promote with Sunderland which isn't too miraculous of a deal one would think.
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Championship level players saddled with several years of barely escaping relegation followed by it finally happening with a completely uninspiring, tumescent manager and a general air of hatred around the place for the owner doesn't exactly make it easy.

They've got to replace a lot of shite and they're terrible at buying plus they've got to get everyone fired up to fight which clearly none of them are equipped to do any longer.

Villa were a similar case and look how well they've done this season...

It's gonna be a massive job and Moyesey certainly isn't the one who's gonna be capable of doing it.
 
BBC Article about Moyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39759279

He has looked world-weary, by-passed in the Premier League by a younger generation such as Eddie Howe at Bournemouth and Marco Silva at Hull City, a worn-down figure struggling to find the powers he could call upon in the past. He was once a symbol of that emerging group but his recent record makes him damaged goods.
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even though I'm aware of how bad he has been for last three years, at the same time it's still surprising to me.

I keep saying to myself that he was simply out of his depth at United. then I said the same thing after Sociedad. now when it's obvious he can't even manage Sunderland, you have to wonder what can he actually do at this point.

it's almost like he forgot everything he knew about football, managing and tactics or it just became useless over night.
 
K2K said:
You can just stay out of the thread if people talking about a central character in United's recent history bothers you so much.

People where shouted down when they mentioned what an idiotic appointment this was in 2013. 4 years later and with Moyes having proven that beyond any reasonable doubt, they should have the freedom to say so.
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Thats rubbish! This is a thread that should be discussing how he has done at Sunderland, not dwelling on what he did four years ago at United.
 
Bole Top said:
even though I'm aware of how bad he has been for last three years, at the same time it's still surprising to me.

I keep saying to myself that he was simply out of his depth at United. then I said the same thing after Sociedad. now when it's obvious he can't even manage Sunderland, you have to wonder what can he actually do at this point.

it's almost like he forgot everything he knew about football, managing and tactics or it just became useless over night.
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On talent Sunderland should go down and should have seasons ago. They just did not have the late season miraculous push they had in the past.
 
Is he done as a manager? There'll always be a place for managers like pulis and allardyce but I don't see what club would take a chance on him and Sunderland are just as likely to get relegated again next season as they are promoted.
 
There'll always be a place for him as a manager. The only question is what level it's at. I think he's too arrogant to accept certain positions, meaning he's once again his own worst enemy. If he could come to terms with the fact that he was out of his depth at OT and take a look at himself, he'd make for a better manager because be honest about his failings and move on to better himself. Instead, he's content to try and convince the world he was hard done by and coast on the reputation of having been entrusted with the United position. In short, he's shit but will always think of himself as too good for many positions.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
It was inevitable Sunderland were going down regardless of the manager.
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You'd be hard pressed to find someone who'd make as much of a mess with transfers as Moyes has though. With a different manager and different signings they could have stayed up again.

Two of the signings he made had been in the top five of the list of most injured since 2011/12. Unsurprisingly Pienaar only played 15 games in the league this season and Gibson has been a disaster.

From the other signings:

McNair - 353 minutes, unfortunate cruciate ligament injury
Love - 606 minutes
Lescott - 33 minutes (literally half an hour against Palace then out of the team for the rest of the time)
Anichebe - 1089 minutes... 3 goals all season as a striker
Djilobodji - 1577 minutes... hasn't played since Feb onwards

Ndong has played over 2000 minutes and has probably been one of their better transfers (though as a club record signing you'd hope so). Even then, Moyes put his foot in it with reason for dropping him at home to Burnley:

"I decided I wanted Jack [Rodwell] and Gibbo [Darron Gibson] together. I thought the game might suit more Britishness in the middle of the pitch. I just felt I would go with that in the middle and the two boys up front."
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They ended up drawing 0:0 in a dull game.
 
The way Sunderland's results were going this season, it was a question of when, not if, they were getting relegated. Feel bad for O'Shea, he doesn't deserve an ending like this. As for Moyes... I've not cared about his dealings since he left United, just tossed him a generic "wish him the best going forward" and moved on. I half understand and am half amused at the almost irrational reaction towards him from other United fans (see shades of that in the Fellaini thread, but that's another story entirely). Always felt a decline was due after Ferguson's last season but other managers could have kept the club in the CL places. Moyes was just out of his place. In retrospect he may have been better off staying at Everton but if United call you answer.

He'll be fine with the multiple severance packages received over the years.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
On talent Sunderland should go down and should have seasons ago. They just did not have the late season miraculous push they had in the past.
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Do you really believe they would have gone down under Big Sam? No chance.
 
In defence of Moyes, he did quite well at Everton. They hadn't finished in the top 10 for a decade before he arrived, but he not only achieved top half every season during his entire tenure there but actually got them into the Champions League qualifier.

Seems bizarre to think just a decade ago, Moyes and Everton finished 4th.

No idea what the factors behind his relative success there were, but I really don't know how he's ended up managing the worst team in the league and going down miserably. He's clearly not United tier, but given his solid and consistent run with Everton he's surely better than the Championship. Isn't he??
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
In defence of Moyes, he did quite well at Everton. They hadn't finished in the top 10 for a decade before he arrived, but he not only achieved top half every season during his entire tenure there but actually got them into the Champions League qualifier.

Seems bizarre to think just a decade ago, Moyes and Everton finished 4th.

No idea what the factors behind his relative success there were, but I really don't know how he's ended up managing the worst team in the league and going down miserably. He's clearly not United tier, but given his solid and consistent run with Everton he's surely better than the Championship. Isn't he??
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most easygoing chairman in football, no pressure to win anything. just do your best.

Expect him on the panel of BeIn sports with his 'old skool' mates Keys/Gray for expert opinion on modern football. Sunderland were not doomed for relegation start of the season, until he opened his mouth. Hull have proved you can put up a fight. He is limited and has no answers, fight or credit anymore
 
King Kendrick said:
Aye, take out Pickford and Defoe from the side and they look a mediocre championship team let alone a prem one.
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I disagree with that. Koné was getting rave reviews last season, Kirchhoff and Khazri are good players, Cattermole and Larsson have almost 600 matches of Premier League experience under their belts and John O'Shea has won more in his career than Sunderland have in their entire history. If you believed this forum a few years ago Januzaj was a future Ballon d'Or contender.

He also got rid of Van Aanholt, Kaboul and Giaccherini, all of whom would walk into their current team and improve it.

Compare that to Brighton's squad and I wouldn't call it mediocre by Championship standards at all.
 
El cagrejo said:
I disagree with that. Koné was getting rave reviews last season, Kirchhoff and Khazri are good players, Cattermole and Larsson have almost 600 matches of Premier League experience under their belts and John O'Shea has won more in his career than Sunderland have in their entire history. If you believed this forum a few years ago Januzaj was a future Ballon d'Or contender.

He also got rid of Van Aanholt, Kaboul and Giaccherini, all of whom would walk into their current team and improve it.

Compare that to Brighton's squad and I wouldn't call it mediocre by Championship standards at all.
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Compare it to the other squads in the division. The biggest difference between Middlesborough, Sunderland, Hull, Burnley, Palace, Bournemouth and Watford are the quality of the managers. Look at the job Dyche has done. Keane and Defour are decent players, Heaton is solid and Gray & Hendrick is good. Besides that the team screams Championship (and Brady is quality, but joined in January). But Dyche has made players like Lowton, Boyd, Ward, Mee play really well. Similar at B'mouth. The only players who would walk into the Sunderland team would be Wilshere and Arter. Howe has helped players like Francis, Cook, Daniels etc punch far above their weight.

Creating a team that's hard to beat and can score a few on the break shouldn't be that bad. Setting up with Pickford, Kirchkoff, O'Shea, Kone, Ndong, Januzaj, Khazri, Borini and Defoe isn't a bad squad to start with. Even players like Billy Jones, Watmore and Larsonn can do a job.

The transfer market excuses really are useless as well. The loan market exists for a reason. You could find a lot of quality in midtable France/Germany/Serie A that would love to be on the wages that Anichibe/Pienar/Gibbo, and what he was thinking buying McNair and Love for...
 
TheCorkman said:
Compare it to the other squads in the division. The biggest difference between Middlesborough, Sunderland, Hull, Burnley, Palace, Bournemouth and Watford are the quality of the managers. Look at the job Dyche has done. Keane and Defour are decent players, Heaton is solid and Gray & Hendrick is good. Besides that the team screams Championship (and Brady is quality, but joined in January). But Dyche has made players like Lowton, Boyd, Ward, Mee play really well. Similar at B'mouth. The only players who would walk into the Sunderland team would be Wilshere and Arter. Howe has helped players like Francis, Cook, Daniels etc punch far above their weight.

Creating a team that's hard to beat and can score a few on the break shouldn't be that bad. Setting up with Pickford, Kirchkoff, O'Shea, Kone, Ndong, Januzaj, Khazri, Borini and Defoe isn't a bad squad to start with. Even players like Billy Jones, Watmore and Larsonn can do a job.

The transfer market excuses really are useless as well. The loan market exists for a reason. You could find a lot of quality in midtable France/Germany/Serie A that would love to be on the wages that Anichibe/Pienar/Gibbo, and what he was thinking buying McNair and Love for...
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That is the a good question, the worst english teams still have money to find decent players all over Europe. Happy to see them going down and specially with Moyes at their hem, it couldn't be better than this way.
 
Let's give David Moyes some credit here.

He worked very hard all season, pour his heart and soul into this. It's not an easy job and despite what he's done in the past, we need to remember this.

He's finally done something for Manchester United - feck you Sunderland for those celebrations.
 
Have a lot of sympathy for Moyes. He got appointed for a job which was completely out of his depth. He made mistakes not keeping people from the previous coaching staff but was also unfortunate to have a new CEO who didn't know what the feck he was doing at that stage. His failure was nothing very surprising. If anything, I am more sympathetic towards him watching our struggles since then. We have spent close to 500m pounds after Moyes and still are only an outside shot for a top 4 finish. In fact, I think we'll end up in 5th or 6th this season. Which kind of vindicates him, at least for me. Go to any transfer thread and we want another 4 or 5 world class players to challenge with supposedly the best manager in the world. Puts things in perspective.

The main issue right now with him is that he hasn't been able to get over that failure. Anyone would find it hard if they feck up such a golden opportunity. Jobs like United don't generally come to guys like Moyes. For his sake, he should take as much time as he wants from the game to regroup himself and come back ready to fight. His stint with Everton proved that he is an excellent mid-table premier league manager.

As for Sunderland, feck them. Their relegation was inevitable. Surprising it took this long.
 
King Kendrick said:
Larsson has the experience but he's on the downside. Cattermole is meh, Kirchoff is a walking ambulance, even under Big Sam Khazri wasn't as impressive as his other buys IMO. PVA Kaboul and Gia are no longer in the squad, so that furthers my point. He weakened them by selling his few Prem-level players. If you take out Pickford and Defoe, a very likely occurrence, I struggle to see them making the top half of the table in the Championship, regardless of who manages them.
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You're overrating the Championship. It's a poor quality league.

Look at the Huddersfield, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday squads. They're piss poor. If Sunderland kept their current side together (obviously they won't) and hired a manager like Chris Hughton they'd walk promotion. The likes of Cattermole, Larsson and Rodwell would be top players in the Championship. Bear in mind that Joey Barton was Burnley's player of the year and named in the PFA team of the season last year.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
The Moyes season was terrible but, he did not even last a full season, he only signed two players, Fabio was the only player he sold out right, most of the players he worked with are no longer at the club. So people still should not be blaming him for current issues at the club.
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He fired all of Alex Ferguson's coaches and then proceeded to uproot the winning mentality from the club, by his comedy of errors and utter incompetence. I remember reading an article with a list of the errors made by David Moyes, it was pages long. And the list was not even complete. As I saw it, the man was out to destroy our club.
 
There are problems at Sunderland but to be relegated before the end of April in a league featuring clubs like Hull and Swansea (who have far more unrest at board level) is an absolutely terrible performance.

Ironically, with all of the talk of him being "hard-working", I think after his comfortable gig at Everton, he doesn't have the work ethic to start again at a new club. Stability is all well and good and with the right manager, there is huge value in a "long-term plan". With Moyes it seems he needs time so he can get paid handsomely for a few years before the club realises he doesn't have one.

Even managers of the level of Jose and Pep need their hearts to be in it and be totally commited to working like crazy to improve their teams. Moyes seems to feel that he has paid his dues and now should be on easy street in a top level job.

Being appointed United manager in May, going on holiday and doing absolutely nothing until he officially started on 1 July summed up his mentality when given the chance of a lifetime. If that was his attitude at United, how would anyone expect him to work harder at Sunderland?
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Thats rubbish! This is a thread that should be discussing how he has done at Sunderland, not dwelling on what he did four years ago at United.
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Who is to decide that?

This is a thread to discuss David Moyes.

It seems your problem is that you were one of his blind backers and now that it's undisputed that you were wrong about it, you seem bothered that people are discussing it.

Again, if it bothers you so much, you can spare yourself the trouble of reading it. You might have supposedly moved on from his reign, but I don't think you are a sufficient authority to tell others to move on instead. I really don't get the North Korea attitude some people have with threads discussing topics they seemingly don't like. It's really that simple, staying away.
 
El cagrejo said:
You're overrating the Championship. It's a poor quality league.

Look at the Huddersfield, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday squads. They're piss poor. If Sunderland kept their current side together (obviously they won't) and hired a manager like Chris Hughton they'd walk promotion. The likes of Cattermole, Larsson and Rodwell would be top players in the Championship. Bear in mind that Joey Barton was Burnley's player of the year and named in the PFA team of the season last year.
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You can also look at Blackburn, QPR and Wigan once you go down no guarantee you make it back up.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
You can also look at Blackburn, QPR and Wigan once you go down no guarantee you make it back up.
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I'm not saying they're guaranteed to go up, I'm saying their current squad is very good by Championship standards.

Wigan actually reached the play-offs the season after relegation despite having a much poorer squad than the one Sunderland have.
 
El cagrejo said:
You're overrating the Championship. It's a poor quality league.

Look at the Huddersfield, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday squads. They're piss poor. If Sunderland kept their current side together (obviously they won't) and hired a manager like Chris Hughton they'd walk promotion. The likes of Cattermole, Larsson and Rodwell would be top players in the Championship. Bear in mind that Joey Barton was Burnley's player of the year and named in the PFA team of the season last year.
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Eh? It's the best second tier league in Europe. Better teams have gone down and failed to bound straight back.
 
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