Which is what is going to happen, I don't see why people think otherwise.
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Which is what is going to happen, I don't see why people think otherwise.
Not really. Why would say that?
The second biggest contributor, one of the biggest customers, one of the biggest European militaries, one of the world's best and most respected intelligence service.
We are not irrelevant to the EU. Believe it and be proud of Britain!
B and c are a bit contrasting
The problem is a lot of Brexiters see the EU in seeking to keep the benefits of being a member for the remaining nations as punishing the UK for leaving
Can we just simply rename this thread the Labour Party anti Brexit Thread. Tories are shit, We will all die after Brexit, it's the Tories fault, we will all die... rinse and repeat... 
Not really, it basically means that the deal given to the UK will not be comparable to a membership but it won't be a sanction either.
Britain is going to threaten the EU with its big military? With hold information that could stop terrorism? A lot to be proud of right there
When the EU says that the UK can't be allowed to make a success of Brexit for example. I can understand that if it means getting various advantages without out paying very much into the EU but the success or otherwise of the decision to leave isn't in the EU's gift.
The UK will interpret anything that is not unrestricted access to the single market as a punishment. Case in point the heavy criticism Malta's PM got because he dared saying that the UK will get an inferior deal as opposed to full membership
No. It's about recognising us as a friend and ally. You are just an idiot.
This is going terrific. We're going to get shafted.
She's like Queen Canute trying to hold back a tide of misery but her Tory chums will probably be OK.
She's like Queen Canute trying to hold back a tide of misery but her Tory chums will probably be OK.
Oh dear
The second biggest contributor- that is something that the UK made absolutely clear it doesn't want to remain for long
one of the biggest customers- it subjective. The EU is not the UK. Its a union of countries each armed with a veto rather then simply England with other minor regions tagging around. That's quite significant. For example Malta has a trade deficit with the UK and doesn't give a feck about how much prosecco the UK customers buy from Italy. What they do care about is that Brexit is good for them because businesses are leaving the UK and moving to Malta. On the other hand 47% of the UK business is linked to Europe. What happens if that 47% is heavily impeded because of tariffs?
Each 27 nations has different agendas and the UK will have to satisfy all (or most) of them.
one of the biggest European militaries- the only real treat is Europe is Russia. If Russia attack then the EU will be wiped out irrespective of the UK involvement or not. We will probably do what we always did in the past century or so. ie we wait for the US to bail us out. There a military pact for that and its called NATO
one of the world's best and most respected intelligence service.- that's true. However would really want to dick around with that? What happens if it comes out that a terrorist attack on UK turf could be avoided but wasnt simply because TM refused cooperation with the EU intelligence?
Irrelevant is not the right word. Not top priority is more appropriate. The UK is at the end of the US trade deal queue and will probably be at the EU queue too. A continent can live without the co-operation of 1 country but can a country live without the cooperation of the very continent it is part off. Trump toyed with the idea (ie destroying NAFTA) and he made a massive U-TURN. We're talking of the US here not the UK
You can be an ally and a friend without giving a trade deal. The US-EU trade deal is very rudimentary compared to full blown EU membership (or its equivalent)
A friend and ally banging on about the size of its military, I belive that coercion
After a failed attempt to seek reform.
You obviously don't remember that Cameron always talked about Britain prospering in a REFORMED EU, not the EU as it is. Most EU member states understand that the EU has to be reformed, but it refuses to be.
Tariffs affect sellers. LOL
Explain your point.
The US didn't bail us out. They joined with us against an evil regime. We spearheaded important strategic victories in WWII without direct US involvement, while suffering civilian losses for the sake of the war effort.
Can't believe you see it as the US bailing us out. Today we could keep Russia at bay when when combined with the French and Italian military, unless nukes were involved of course, which wouldn't happen.
Intel costs, but we would not think twice about cooperating with out European friends, and this shows how much we need each other. Yes?
According to Obama.
Lets not get off track here. We're talking about how brexit will affect our relationship with the EU.
Yes
David Davies stated that we would pay everything we were required to pay by law, and that we had not yet been given a breakdown of what we owe.
Works both ways doesn't it. From a European perspective the Europeans are puzzled why the Brits don't seem to feel part of Europe and often seem hostile & ignorant towards Europe. The Europeans also don't understand why the Brits seem to think the Europeans are trying (as one poster put it) shaft the U.K.
The reality is that the Europeans think it's a crying shame that the U.K. has opted out of the EU, not because of economic reasons but because they see Britain as a valuable part of Europe. The Brits are actually popular over on the continent.
Excellent reply.....' Just open the rule book and point to where it says Leavers must pay to leave '
Thanks....Not reported down here - other more important things going on !
The Brits do not have a problem with Europeans. Its the EU we have a problem with. The political union.
Whey, hold on, a reasonable opinion in this thread! You won't last long in here with such reason and logic.
I forget, are you still doing your tiresome 'I voted Remain but believe every Leave bit of nonsense going' spiel or was that another poster?
Most Europeans have issues with a political union. However, most Europeans realise it's a necessary evil in order to remain competitive in an ever more competitive World, in order to keep the peace in Europe, to protect the rights of its citizens and enable Europe to maintain it's welfare.
It's twisting what was actually meant by by Britain can't make a succes of Brexit. What was actually meant is that Britain can't have all the benefits of being in the EU without being a member state. No one has ever said they don't want Britain to be successful out of the EU.
There's a few of them about
I think everyone knows this, nobody has ever said this as far as I know. It's my view a deal will be done. We won't be taxing BMW's, VW's, Audis's etc 10% in the future, and they won't be taxing our smaller $number of exports into the EU.
I have adressed this at work, the europens now know who junk and his buddies are, they are starting to see my point.
Basically they did not take an interest in the eu until i made them aware.
I might have a bad memory about this but I'm pretty sure this thread is, in fact, full of such comments.
EU immigration to continue for some years after Brexit This is going well
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ikely-to-continue-for-some-years-after-brexit
This is going wellhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ikely-to-continue-for-some-years-after-brexit
With you as their news source I'm sure they are getting a fair representation of the trurth
Well they are just like yanks only interested in their nations news
I didn't know that the Caf is full of politicians from the continent. You learn new things everyday about the Caf
That would be our military, who thanks to Tory cutbacks, comprises an army that now numbers just 89,000 active servicemen, and you could therefore fit our entire army inside wembley stadium, and a navy whose flagship is now officially designated as a drydock because it is immobile. Not to mention an airforce that can only ever put half its small number of airplanes up in the air because the other half are being cannibalized to keep them flying.
I didn't know that the Caf is full of politicians from the continent. You learn new things everyday about the Caf
Well, you did say no one.
If there is one person who knows about negotiating with the EU, it's Yanis Varoufakis
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may
No we couldn't. The combined military strength of the EU might be able to, but just France, UK and Italy would have no chance. Russia has an army of 845,000 active members. UK, France and Italy combined have only 567,350. Russia also have far larger reserve and paramilitary forces. Then look at airforce, Russia at 1900, Uk at 222, France 306, Italy 320. Navy might be better, but frankly in a land war with Russia it's not the number one concern. Russia also has a huge missile capability, and absolutely top class AA technology. Holding back Russia needs either the whole EU or the US on board.
Britain has an excellent modern military, but its very small. Put us up against another small country and we'll be absolutely fine. Put us up against a current or former superpower and we'd be fecked. So obviously being British, just at the point where the world is getting very hot again, we decide to leave our partnership with our neighbouring superpower union. Genius..
You made many good points in the white culture/poverty thread yesterday, but that is just too silly.
That was an interesting read but the Greece's situation and the UK's are more than a little different.