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Rooney or Ronaldo
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What exactly was the difference?? Rooney practically carried us that season and his support cast consisted of Valencia and Nani. Ronaldo was supported by Rooney and Tevez. I know which two I would want as the support cast.
Rooney was fantastic that season, as good as Ronaldo was for us. Had we won the league or the CL that season many people on here would have been singing a different tune.
I assumed the OP was meant as a joke but obviously not.
One of the two quite simply isn't fit to lace the others boot - never has been.
Rooney doesn't warrant being mentioned in the same breath as Ronaldo, they're chalk and cheese.
One of the two quite simply isn't fit to lace the others boot - never has been.
Rooney doesn't warrant being mentioned in the same breath as Ronaldo, they're chalk and cheese.
Is this parody? What the feck am I reading?
I think I lived through a less melodramatic alternative reality.
This really.
In 2004 I think my choice would have been Rooney tbh.
Ronaldo, because he has always been a professional, always taking care of himself on & off the pitch, while always trying to improve. If Rooney had a similar work ethic/attitude, we don't have this discussion. He's a club legend already, but if he had put in the work that Ronaldo did, he might've been in the discussion with Messi/Ronaldo and maybe a legitimate Balon D'or contender. You could say the injuries took a lot out of him, but maybe some of those injuries don't happen if he was in better shape, or if he had put in the work in rehab that CR7 did, he'd still be a top player. Ronaldo will have very few regrets when all is said and done, while Rooney will be harried by a lot of 'what ifs'.
It was a goal that affected the result in a game you won. Ifs and buts aside, that makes it an important goal.
As for the second point, being part of a weaker side is relevant, but so too is the fact that for the majority of his United career Rooney played through the middle and Ronaldo was mostly positioned on the flank yet was still the team's primary goalscorer.
Ronaldo's goalscoring did drop but look at the goals he did score. The strikes out of nowhere in the away CL quarter and semi finals alone stand out as moments that show why you'd always have a slightly under par Ronaldo in your team ahead of a peak Rooney.
But Valencia and Nani were both primarily there to provide crosses for Rooney, while in 07-08 Rooney and Tevez were there to score goals just as much to create. It's not an apt comparison.
Ronaldo was still scoring solo goals and free kicks in 07-08. In 2009-10, Rooney was merely a very effective box player. No-one would ever argue that Drogba was on Ronaldo's level but he was just as prolific in Rooney's highest scoring season and won his side the double.
I guess it seems like Ronaldo actually gave his best to the club while he was here. Rooney was always showing up after each summer with too many extra pounds, and he has now just overstayed his welcome by about 4 years.
Rooney was a fecking machine from Euro 2004 onwards until Ronaldo became Ronaldo. So obviously it would have been Rooney at that time.
this doesn't make sense
SAF on his final year dropped Rooney and he was getting ready to get rid of him. At the time Rooney was 27 or 28. There is no manager in the world who would want to get rid of Ronaldo, even today at 32.
I agree with SAF.
I agree with SAF.
Ehm no.
Secondly, again no. Rooney was often played wide left for tevez or anyone else who played upfront. He has played solely through the middle as a CF only in 3 seasons. 09-10 11-12 and 15-16. Both the former seasons he ended up scoring 25+ goals too.
You are kidding if you think Rooney was just a box player. Have you even watched him? He has scored more solo goals than I can think of. And tons of FKs too.
I don't think Ronaldo won us the CL in all honesty. He didn't win us the final. Scholes and the defence won us the SF against Barca both legs and the QF Roma win had Rooney Ronaldo and tevez scoring one each over 2 legs. Though he did score in the Lyon home game I think. I think it's wrong to say Ronaldo led us to a CL than the fact that United helped Ronaldo win the first of his CLs. He was an integral part of the team but United won through a team effort rather than one player carrying us.
I thought the idea of SAF would have sold Rooney is a myth? And in his final year, i can only think one significant game against Madrid where Rooney was dropped, can you tell me how many games he was dropped exactly that year?
Easy to say now Rooney is shite and Ronaldo is still doing it.
That said, I would still choose Ronaldo.
That said, I would still choose Ronaldo.
He gave us an advantage through his header. He then put us in a disadvantage with his penalty miss which was unimportant only because Terry slipped. Overall, I don't consider him to be our match winner that game. VdS was with his save on Anelka
Granted, it's a myth or a strong rumour, but when you see ex MUFC football players such as Dwight York get on board, there must be something to it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...r-Alex-Ferguson-charge-says-Dwight-Yorke.html
I disagree with the last line of Prath's post but thank feck there's still some people who remember quite how good Rooney was at his peak. Of course he's not in the same sphere as Ronaldo, but youd think he was on par with Michael Ricketts reading some of the other posts.
Wait what? Rooney is at least 5 years older.
It's an interesting question. They've both made major contributions to the club, both on and off the pitch. Both will forever be part of the fabric of the club.
Rooney was an absolute revelation when he came along. He played with such power and aggression when he was young - its remarkable just what a shadow of his former self he's become. He was the next grat English hope and, overall, he lived up to the hype. Such was his potential that he can be United's and England's all time leading scorer and many people still feel he's underachieved.
Ronaldo, on the other hand, is truly an all time great. He was with the club for a shorter period of time, but his impact, in my opinion, was greater. His work ethic and talent were absolutely next level - well above Rooney. He was the main man during some of the most successful years in the club's history. To top it all off, while we didn't want him to go, he also yielded the club a then record 80M pound fee.
For me, I'd take Ronaldo every time.
Rooney was an absolute revelation when he came along. He played with such power and aggression when he was young - its remarkable just what a shadow of his former self he's become. He was the next grat English hope and, overall, he lived up to the hype. Such was his potential that he can be United's and England's all time leading scorer and many people still feel he's underachieved.
Ronaldo, on the other hand, is truly an all time great. He was with the club for a shorter period of time, but his impact, in my opinion, was greater. His work ethic and talent were absolutely next level - well above Rooney. He was the main man during some of the most successful years in the club's history. To top it all off, while we didn't want him to go, he also yielded the club a then record 80M pound fee.
For me, I'd take Ronaldo every time.
Ronaldo. Skill, class, and his superstar power. He might have wanted a move to Madrid, but he never went to the media to speak ill about the club's ambition. Then go and mail it in for a number of years soon after.
On talent alone, Ronaldo is probably the best player in the club's history. On longevity alone, I don't think Rooney will ever surpass the likes of Giggs, Scholes, and even Keane.
So no brainier for me. Ronaldo.
So no brainier for me. Ronaldo.
We were genuinely the best team in the world and had an insane fear factor because of Ronaldo at his best.
Rooney and all the others played their parts but 2006/09 we beat every team almost before they walked out because of Ronaldo.
Rooney and all the others played their parts but 2006/09 we beat every team almost before they walked out because of Ronaldo.
You know what they say-You either leave a hero or stay long enough to become a villian
Jokes aside for me Rooney would always be the bigger club legend. Inspite of everything he stayed and that's what is important. Ronaldo left, leaving at that time one of the best teams in the world to move to a club that was down in the doldrums, chasing some "childhood dream". I don't understand why this particular reason entitles him to sympathy from Utd fans. For me any player who actively tried to leave Utd to move to another club for no obvious footballing reason can never be a bigger legend than someone who gave us his best years and ran his body into the ground for us.
Strange comment.
One player wanted his boyhood dream and moved to another league with full respect for the club and manager the other wanted to move to another premier league rival because he doesn't like playing on the wings, held the club to ransom for bigger pay. Yet the later is considered a bigger legend that the other. Fans eh?
Is rather have Ronaldo for those 3 seasons than Rooney for the long run. He's never been able to hit the heights of that time period anyway.
Better idea for a thread along the same lines:
As of right now, in our current state, which ex United player would you take all over again. Same number of years, same growth-peak-decline (or sale) period.
As of right now, in our current state, which ex United player would you take all over again. Same number of years, same growth-peak-decline (or sale) period.
I have already replied to this point earlier in the thread.Strange comment.
One player wanted his boyhood dream and moved to another league with full respect for the club and manager the other wanted to move to another premier league rival because he doesn't like playing on the wings, held the club to ransom for bigger pay. Yet the later is considered a bigger legend that the other. Fans eh?
Also have you forgotten the "slave" remarks by Blatter and Ronaldo not denying them and those constant interviews where he kept flirting with Madrid and never putting out those rumors definitively from as early as the summer of 2008? This doesn't really smack of great respect to me.
Anyway bottom line is Ronaldo left of his own accord, while Rooney stayed. Simple as that.
I'm not sure what you mean by no obvious footballing reason? His dream was to play for Madrid. It's not like he moved there because they could pay him more.
Ronaldo was the star player in United's most successful period so I'd go with him rather than the high quality support act. Also, while it hurts to lose your best player when he is approaching his peak, there was nothing inevitable about the post-2009 decline. If that world record transfer fee had been used to buy 2-3 high quality players, then we would have remained at the top table.
It was of course very much tongue in cheek. You people need to lighten up
By footballing reason I mean things like wanting to play in a better team or wanting to challenge for trophies or even for more money as for the players football is a profession so it's logical they'd want to make more money.
But at that time we were the better team, we were consistently winning things, our league was better and we could offer him as much money as Real.
He left due to that "dream" thing. Fair enough it's his life and his choice but what bothers me is that Utd fans, who style us as the biggest club in the world have no problem with a player wanting to leave to play for a perceived bigger club yet seem to abuse a player who wanted more money but ultimately never wanted to leave.
Do you think Real or Barca fans who would ever cheer for a player who openly said his dream was to play for another club? No they would abuse the hell out of him and yet here Ronaldo's reason is seen as fine.
Why? Do we accept we are inferior to Real Madrid in terms of stature??
I don't accept that and for me labelling Ronaldo as a bigger legend than our all time leading goal scorer seems to be Paramount to accepting it's okay for a player to want to leave Utd. Utd are not an Arsenal or Spurs who act as a feeder club for the elite. We should be the dream club for any player who plays for us. If we call ourselves the biggest club in the world then our fans need to start acting like it and not fawn over a player who seemed to think us second best in the footballing hierarchy.
I appreciate everything Ronaldo ever did for us and he is undoubtedly one of the greatest of all time but he is not a bigger club legend than Rooney for me.
It's not a question of who was our "match winner". The assertion that a player missing a pen in shootout cancels out his contribution makes no sense and it's one of the weirdest things football related that I have ever read.
I can't even believe we are comparing both players. Not in the same league one bit.
Not sure I'm getting the question for this thread, but I do want to comment on this post. I've always had the impression that Rooney thought he was the main man, with Ronaldo supposed to be his less important sidekick. (Actually I think alot of the fanbase thought that was the natural order of things too back in the day.)
I agree that Rooney definitely thought that Nani was there just to feed him crosses, see the way Rooney treated Nani whenever Nani did something independent.
I guess there's comments that Messi and Ronaldo treat their teammates this way at Barca and RM, it's just that Rooney has that same attitude but not the ability.
Remember when Utd won the CL in Russia? How many minutes did Rooney play in that game?
Itll be interesting to see whether Rooney's name is sung as regularly and as fervently as Ronaldo's still is, eight years after he has left. I doubt it will be.
I agree with most of what you said but I think Rooney knew that he was less important than Ronaldo at least towards the end of Ronaldo's time with us. I never forgot the look on Rooney's face when after a world club championship match in Japan, a club staff member came to relieve Ronaldo from an interview leaving Rooney behind. That clearly showed him the pecking order. When Ronaldo left Rooney seemed to believe that he should be accorded the same status that Ronaldo had, but as you said " Rooney has that same attitude but not the ability".
Rooney attaining the main man mantle hindered us. Not just Nani was affected but every striker we had suffered from Rooney's status. He rarely linked up with the likes of Rvp and Falcao and kept shunting the ball to the Right wing so that he could that aforementioned cross. It took a character like Zlatan to finally remove Rooney from his entitled position in our club.
With all that, Ronaldo as a Utd player was voted the best player in the world. That says it all for me and that's why, Best, Charlton and Law, as Ballon d'or winners, deserve their statues.
I don't think Ronaldo's name is sung anymore than any other ex-player. Rooney's name will be sang plenty after he leaves.
Well I replied to a guy who said Ronaldo's goal won us the CL and Rooney s goal only won us a league cup. so it was a question about match winners