Think that had more to do with the fact they had Mourinho lined up, than viewing Benitez's 6 months there as a failure.
If we win the Europa league
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Think that had more to do with the fact they had Mourinho lined up, than viewing Benitez's 6 months there as a failure.
At the beginning of the season, I figure the priority for the Big 6 would be in this order:
1. EPL title
2. CL title
3. FA Cup
4. EL title
5. League Cup
This doesn't account for CL spots (i.e. top 4). As the top 2 trophies became less of a probability to us (or nonexistent when it comes to CL title), the EL became more of a priority, as it's still a Euro cup, plus it gave us an in to next season's CL. I'd argue the EL becomes more of a priority for teams looking for trophies (over the FA Cup), but less for those that want to guarantee a top 4 spot, hence why you see Spurs not 'go for it' recently. I'd think any Top 6 team in the EL for the foreseeable future will have to deal with the tension of whether or not to spend precious resources on an EL run. If a top 4 spot isn't nailed on by February, it will be interesting to see how a top 6 team will allot their resources.
1. EPL title
2. CL title
3. FA Cup
4. EL title
5. League Cup
This doesn't account for CL spots (i.e. top 4). As the top 2 trophies became less of a probability to us (or nonexistent when it comes to CL title), the EL became more of a priority, as it's still a Euro cup, plus it gave us an in to next season's CL. I'd argue the EL becomes more of a priority for teams looking for trophies (over the FA Cup), but less for those that want to guarantee a top 4 spot, hence why you see Spurs not 'go for it' recently. I'd think any Top 6 team in the EL for the foreseeable future will have to deal with the tension of whether or not to spend precious resources on an EL run. If a top 4 spot isn't nailed on by February, it will be interesting to see how a top 6 team will allot their resources.
Like I said, it's important to us right now. As a means to an end.
It's still a Mickey Mouse trophy. That has to do with the particular nature of the Europa League. I don't consider the old UEFA or CW cups Mickey Mouse trophies. But I do consider the EL as such. It's a competition with very little of either charm or lustre, I have never liked it and I won't pretend otherwise just because United need to win it this season.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/foot...a-league/ar-BBAKGNU?li=AA572I&ocid=spartanntp
Has anyone seen this? Pretty sure that this is incorrect.
Has anyone seen this? Pretty sure that this is incorrect.
Very unlikely It will happen
Real Madrid and Juventus are basically through to the final and they will both finish in the Champions League places in their Leagues. (Monaco too if they qualify while Atletico need 2 pts in the League)
There is less than 0.5%(based on my calculations) chance of that happening if United win the Europa League so not worried at all
You can only win the competitions you're in and we've been in 4 this season with the league, the F.A cup, the league cup and the Europa so to win 2 from 4 and get Champions League football next season regardless of how it was achieved in Jose's first season following from the debacle of the previous 3 seasons is a successful season in my eyes.
Would this current team do anything in the Champions League ? Definitely not and we'd be lucky to make it to quarters but we're not in that competition this season so can't be elitist about the trophies we win, I think win Europa added to the league cup whilst showing we can on our day beat anyone is progress so Champions League football no matter how's it achieved will bring the biggest names to us with our finances and then we build from there.
Would this current team do anything in the Champions League ? Definitely not and we'd be lucky to make it to quarters but we're not in that competition this season so can't be elitist about the trophies we win, I think win Europa added to the league cup whilst showing we can on our day beat anyone is progress so Champions League football no matter how's it achieved will bring the biggest names to us with our finances and then we build from there.
Mhiki is one of those players but he is adapting to the league this season so he hasn't fulfilled his potential hoping he does next season. Also you cant just have one of those specialists they get marked out of the game you need a couple.
Pogba was signed to boss our midfield not break down defenses and Zlatan is a #9 not the player who will break down defenses. Rashford and Martial are strikers like Zlatan.
So we need to go through a play off even if we win the Europa League?
Always thought it was direct entry into the group stages.
I know this has been asked before but does 4th place lose CL if we win the europa?
No.
It won't be mental at all. We are built for European football and are playing to our strengths.
So did I, I think the mirror have got that wrong.
Mirror is clueless, we'll get directly to the group stage.
Benitez was never staying. Even Roman knew he fekked up with that interim appointment. Wenger would have been more palatable and that's not a ringing endorsement ( of either of them)
To put in perspective where trying to win one trophy that is full of teams that failed to to get into Europes top competition, so by default an average team will win this competition, though i would say with the squad we have we should be strolling to success in the competition especially compared to the quality of the opposition.
As for the carling cup or whatever its called this week, teams generally only start paying attention to it when they get to the semi finals, before that teams genrally but b teams even C teams out, winning that is like winning a preseason friendly competition for a top team.
As for the carling cup or whatever its called this week, teams generally only start paying attention to it when they get to the semi finals, before that teams genrally but b teams even C teams out, winning that is like winning a preseason friendly competition for a top team.
First point, we're not average side. We are knackered by injuries and still have a chance of 2 trophies. If we win Europa League it will be very successful season. Sorry, we did not achieve what everybody thought, but every trophy is a big step too bringing back winning mentality.
Is this serious? We cannot be expected to play some decent football and challenge with the measely resources of a 90m midfielder, a world class proven striker and two of the brightest youngsters in European football plus the proven talents of the likes of Mkhitaryan and Mata? It never ceases to amaze me just how much do our fans think we need before we should be expected to play and win. You'd think the rest of the league and Europe all have Real Madrid's squad.
It would be incredibly harsh to judge this season a failure if we win two major trophies regardless of how much of a priority they are. We've had a horrendous 4 years by our high standards and to come away with it with 3 major trophies is nothing to be sniffed at and something that some of our rivals would kill to have. It is also important to keep the winning feeling in the group and keep the status of a team that is used to lifting trophies.
This however should not be mistaken for a sign of quality. Winning two trophies or the FA Cup last year does not make us a good team, just like winning the CL did not make those Liverpool or Chelsea sides good teams. I think that's the distinction that needs to be made; it's not nothing and we should be proud that we are still keeping ourselves relatively afloat, but it's also not something indicative of our overall quality as a team.
This however should not be mistaken for a sign of quality. Winning two trophies or the FA Cup last year does not make us a good team, just like winning the CL did not make those Liverpool or Chelsea sides good teams. I think that's the distinction that needs to be made; it's not nothing and we should be proud that we are still keeping ourselves relatively afloat, but it's also not something indicative of our overall quality as a team.
If we were to win the Europa league, what seed would we be in the Champions League?
Not seeded. Just thrown into a draw pot like the rest of the non seeded teams.
We're currently 15th in the UEFA coefficient rankings. Assuming the league finishes today (I assumed Madrid will win La Liga despite them not being first at the moment, just to make this whole thing easier), the pots will be:
Pot 1 (League winners of top 7 leagues + CL winners): Real Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, Juventus, Monaco, Spartak Moscow, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk (As it's very likely the CL finalists Juve or Madrid will win the title, the extra CL spot goes to the 8th best league winner which is Ukraine's Shakhtar Donetsk).
The remaining pots are based on the remaining teams in the UEFA coefficient rankings
Pot 2: Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, PSG, Dortmund, Sevilla (have to go through a qualifier), Man City (qualifier), Porto, Man United
Pot 3: Napoli (qualifier), Spurs, Basel, Dynamo Kiev (qualifier), Ajax (qualifier), Olympiacos, Anderlecht, Liverpool
Couldn't be bothered with pot 4, but you get the idea. Obviously it depends on a lot of things as the season isn't over yet but I'd say we'd be between pot 2 and pot 3. For example, if Arsenal do manage to qualify over Liverpool, we'd go down to pot 3 as Arsenal have a higher coefficient than us.
If we do get into pot 3, it's entirely possible we could get a group like
Real Madrid
PSG
Man United
Roma
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We're currently 15th in the UEFA coefficient rankings. Assuming the league finishes today (I assumed Madrid will win La Liga despite them not being first at the moment, just to make this whole thing easier), the pots will be:
Pot 1 (League winners of top 7 leagues + CL winners): Real Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, Juventus, Monaco, Spartak Moscow, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk (As it's very likely the CL finalists Juve or Madrid will win the title, the extra CL spot goes to the 8th best league winner which is Ukraine's Shakhtar Donetsk).
The remaining pots are based on the remaining teams in the UEFA coefficient rankings
Pot 2: Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, PSG, Dortmund, Sevilla (have to go through a qualifier), Man City (qualifier), Porto, Man United
Pot 3: Napoli (qualifier), Spurs, Basel, Dynamo Kiev (qualifier), Ajax (qualifier), Olympiacos, Anderlecht, Liverpool
Couldn't be bothered with pot 4, but you get the idea. Obviously it depends on a lot of things as the season isn't over yet but I'd say we'd be between pot 2 and pot 3. For example, if Arsenal do manage to qualify over Liverpool, we'd go down to pot 3 as Arsenal have a higher coefficient than us.
If we do get into pot 3, it's entirely possible we could get a group like
Real Madrid
PSG
Man United
Napoli
Thanks for the explanation (even it's not reply to me). That's the worst case scenario you put down. Little chance to go through. Mourinho would probably thrive in that group.
We will probably end up in pot 2 though as it looks now if we manage to win Europa.
We're currently 15th in the UEFA coefficient rankings. Assuming the league finishes today (I assumed Madrid will win La Liga despite them not being first at the moment, just to make this whole thing easier), the pots will be:
Pot 1 (League winners of top 7 leagues + CL winners): Real Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, Juventus, Monaco, Spartak Moscow, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk (As it's very likely the CL finalists Juve or Madrid will win the title, the extra CL spot goes to the 8th best league winner which is Ukraine's Shakhtar Donetsk).
The remaining pots are based on the remaining teams in the UEFA coefficient rankings
Pot 2: Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, PSG, Dortmund, Sevilla (have to go through a qualifier), Man City (qualifier), Porto, Man United
Pot 3: Napoli (qualifier), Spurs, Basel, Dynamo Kiev (qualifier), Ajax (qualifier), Olympiacos, Anderlecht, Liverpool
Couldn't be bothered with pot 4, but you get the idea. Obviously it depends on a lot of things as the season isn't over yet but I'd say we'd be between pot 2 and pot 3. For example, if Arsenal do manage to qualify over Liverpool, we'd go down to pot 3 as Arsenal have a higher coefficient than us.
If we do get into pot 3, it's entirely possible we could get a group like
Real Madrid
PSG
Man United
Napoli
Go hard or go home. Or in this case, both.
I don't think we could get Napoli as they are in pot 3 tooIf we do get into pot 3, it's entirely possible we could get a group like
Real Madrid
PSG
Man United
Napoli
I guess we should be wanting Liverpool to get top 4 this season then...feels dirty
We're currently 15th in the UEFA coefficient rankings. Assuming the league finishes today (I assumed Madrid will win La Liga despite them not being first at the moment, just to make this whole thing easier), the pots will be:
Pot 1 (League winners of top 7 leagues + CL winners): Real Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, Juventus, Monaco, Spartak Moscow, Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk (As it's very likely the CL finalists Juve or Madrid will win the title, the extra CL spot goes to the 8th best league winner which is Ukraine's Shakhtar Donetsk).
The remaining pots are based on the remaining teams in the UEFA coefficient rankings
Pot 2: Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, PSG, Dortmund, Sevilla (have to go through a qualifier), Man City (qualifier), Porto, Man United
Pot 3: Napoli (qualifier), Spurs, Basel, Dynamo Kiev (qualifier), Ajax (qualifier), Olympiacos, Anderlecht, Liverpool
Couldn't be bothered with pot 4, but you get the idea. Obviously it depends on a lot of things as the season isn't over yet but I'd say we'd be between pot 2 and pot 3. For example, if Arsenal do manage to qualify over Liverpool, we'd go down to pot 3 as Arsenal have a higher coefficient than us.
If we do get into pot 3, it's entirely possible we could get a group like
Real Madrid
PSG
Man United
Napoli
Thank you @Raw, very well explained.
My bad, I phrased my question wrong. I meant which pot but Raw gave the answer I wanted.
You are always seeded in the CL, if you are not a major league champion, the seeding is decided by your coefficient. We most likely would be seeded in pot 2 after the latest UEFA regulations.
Ah of course. Roma would be in pot 4 so you could put them instead, I edited the original post.
Funny how now the CL clubs are looking down and calling it a Micky Mouse cup, yet I don't see English teams anywhere, flying the English flag in Europe be it Champions League, or Europa League apart from Manchester United.
Quite laughable really. Tottenham, Arsenal and City were awful, Leicester played with some fight but are nowhere to be seen in the PL this season, who else was in the Europa?
brand it a Micky Mouse competition all you like but at least we're on the verge of a cup final, you don't get prizes for playing in the CL group stages
Quite laughable really. Tottenham, Arsenal and City were awful, Leicester played with some fight but are nowhere to be seen in the PL this season, who else was in the Europa?
brand it a Micky Mouse competition all you like but at least we're on the verge of a cup final, you don't get prizes for playing in the CL group stages
This is to the CL what the Championship is to the Premier League.
We are there, its our only path to the CL and its a trophy we dont have in our collection.. plenty of reasons to want to win this.. but I'd rather be in a position to fail in the CL than win the Europa League.
We are there, its our only path to the CL and its a trophy we dont have in our collection.. plenty of reasons to want to win this.. but I'd rather be in a position to fail in the CL than win the Europa League.
Europa league Will also give us a chance to face the champions league winners for the uefa super cup, Sure We would Like to win that as well beating the ucl champs .
Really?
Yeah.. Every single time.
Its different now because we are in the semis and have nothing else to play for.. obviously want us to win..... but for next season, if I had a choice between reaching the first KO round of the CL or winning the Europa league, I'll take the CL.
That's the most Arsenal thing I've ever heard.
Not true because both Juventus and Madrid will qualify for the group stage directly.
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2444525.html
The UEFA Europa League winners enter in the group stage if the UEFA Champions League winners qualify directly for the UEFA Champions League group stage via their domestic league programme. This is what happened the past two seasons after success for Barcelona and Real Madrid.
I see what he is trying to say I agree with it.
And like when Chelsea won it Rafa we are probably going to win it without being impressive once.
of course, he's saying he'd rather be in CL rather than EL
If given a choice between choosing CL or EL it's obvious which one to go for, no arguments there; but prioritizing a cup run (however prestigious the competition) over an actual trophy? I would want us to be in CL IFF we have a squad that atleast can give a fair fight to the RMs, Bayerns and Barcas (as of now we don't).
We're in with a chance of getting into the final and winning the UEFA Cup. We've never won it. We've failed before. I want it. I really don't have time to be snobby about it.